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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 0:50:27 GMT -5
Wow bro have U even read the lyrics bro??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 0:52:33 GMT -5
I love when people say he isn't "Main Event material" as if the majority of the guys in the main event are. Ryder could be a huge star. He gets better reactions than 95% of the roster. In WWE it's, unfortunately, not really about wrestling ability. It's about entertainment. Ryder has the ability in the ring. He's not Punk or Bryan obviously, but he's better than half the roster. And he's entertaining enough to get himself over without being on TV. So yes, Ryder is main event "material". He should be pushed up there and could make the company even more money if Vince wasn't so against people actually wanting to be creative with their own character. With his current gimmick, can you see him being the main event at WrestleMania defending the title or challenging for it against someone like Chris Jericho? Triple H? The Undertaker? Definitely not, with comedy gimmicks, those specific wrestlers can't have a serious feuds like those such as Triple H-Taker, Punk-Rock, Jericho-HBK, etc. I never said Zack Ryder wasn't main event material. I don't think his gimmick is. If he were to drop the gimmick and find something fitting, yet unique, he could definitely get that high on the card. But as a Long Island party dude, not a chance. His lyrics are like so true bro and he communicates with the fan that's why he is the Internet champion ?? Mattel even made him with the exclusive championship. He's the best. "You ever meet a girl and think to yourself She's the one But as time goes on you realise She aint nothing but a hoeski When I met you girl It was love at first sight Your hair looked so good Your dress was so tight At first I was nervous So quiet and shy Wasn't sure if your type was A bro from LI I thought we'd be soulmates Like budlight and lime Thought you'd be my girl til the end of time You were my girlfriend for a couple of years But then you left me with nothing but tears Roses are red Violets are blue You may have left me but I'll still Woo woo woo You say you've moved on And found yourself a new broski But I don't want you back girl Cos you are a hoeski Roses are red Violets are blue You may have left me but I'll still Woo woo woo You say you've moved on And found yourself a new broski But I don't want you back girl Cos you are a hoeski Fool me once, shame on me Fool me twice, woo woo woo It didn't take Long for you to crawl back to me You wanted another taste of Long Island Iced Z My bros tried to warn me But I could resist Because you were the girl that for so long I had missed You said all the right things But they were all lies All I am is a name On your long list of guys Now that you're gone for good My future is so much brighter But I still hate you for giving my heart a rough ryder Roses are red Violets are blue You may have left me but I'll still Woo woo woo You say you've moved on And found yourself a new broski But I don't want you back girl Cos you are a hoeski Roses are red Violets are blue You may have left me but I'll still Woo woo woo You say you've moved on And found yourself a new broski But I don't want you back girl Cos you are a hoeski Like me on facebook, follow me on twitter You broke my heart twice, okay, I'll admit I'm bitter Tried to read your mind but the print was too small Bought you anything you wanted when we went to the mall You've got multiple personalities but not one soul Hope the only gift Santa Clause brings you is coal Even though I think about you every single day You're not the one who got away, you're the one who walked away Roses are red Violets are blue You may have left me but I'll still Woo woo woo You say you've moved on And found yourself a new broski But I don't want you back girl Cos you are a hoeski Roses are red Violets are blue You may have left me but I'll still Woo woo woo You say you've moved on And found yourself a new broski But I don't want you back girl Cos you are a hoeski You are a hoeski You are a hoeeeski So you think you're so cool for breaking my heart, not once but twice Are you serious bro? Will I get over you one day? Woo woo woo you know it"
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Feb 5, 2013 1:34:43 GMT -5
I have no argument with you saying that Zack Ryder should be featured more often and more prominently on TV each week, but in no way should he be main eventing. His character isn't suitable for it nor is he that good of an actor.
And as far as him being a musician and celebrity... Come on now. Be serious.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 2:26:20 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. Ryder has great mic skills, and is entertaining in and out of the ring. he has the charisma you look for in a champion. I still think his matches with Ziggler were some of the best of last year. It is a shame he is being buried.
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Post by slappy on Feb 5, 2013 2:30:33 GMT -5
I couldn't agree more. Ryder has great mic skills, and is entertaining in and out of the ring. he has the charisma you look for in a champion. I still think his matches with Ziggler were some of the best of last year. It is a shame he is being buried. I wouldn't go that far. I like him and all but he's not going to be a main eventer. Not everyone has to be a main eventer. You always need mid-card guys.
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Post by Billy the Kid on Feb 5, 2013 3:21:51 GMT -5
With his current gimmick, can you see him being the main event at WrestleMania defending the title or challenging for it against someone like Chris Jericho? Triple H? The Undertaker? Definitely not, with comedy gimmicks, those specific wrestlers can't have a serious feuds like those such as Triple H-Taker, Punk-Rock, Jericho-HBK, etc. I never said Zack Ryder wasn't main event material. I don't think his gimmick is. If he were to drop the gimmick and find something fitting, yet unique, he could definitely get that high on the card. But as a Long Island party dude, not a chance. His lyrics are like so true bro and he communicates with the fan that's why he is the Internet champion ?? Mattel even made him with the exclusive championship. He's the best. I cut the lyrics out of the quoted reply for obvious reasons. I've heard the song. It sucks. As far as being the "Internet Champion," you are aware that the championship isn't an official championship in the WWE right? That's why he doesn't defend it on television. I don't even think he brings it to the ring with him. (Not sure, I don't watch much anymore) Zack Ryder did an awesome job of getting himself over without WWE's help and if you like him, fantastic, I am happy for you but I would give up trying to convince people on here otherwise especially by talking like him and post the lyrics to his crappy song.
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Feb 5, 2013 3:31:53 GMT -5
I agree, he works hard, he should be on TV.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 3:32:31 GMT -5
He's the Bart Gunn of the modern era... The only difference is that Bart Gunn could wrestle.
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Post by 1992 on Feb 5, 2013 3:35:26 GMT -5
He's the Bart Gunn of the modern era... The only difference is that Bart Gunn could wrestle. So would that make Tensai this generations Doink? with the difference being Doink was over?
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Post by | NLS™ | on Feb 5, 2013 4:42:52 GMT -5
Main event? Haha no. The guy is more of a joke than The Miz and that assh*ole has somehow main evented WM!
Sidenote: Arthur Speaks - Whats up with your Sig? Isnt she 13? What are ya some kind of pedophile?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 6:54:52 GMT -5
He's the Bart Gunn of the modern era... The only difference is that Bart Gunn could wrestle. So would that make Tensai this generations Doink? with the difference being Doink was over? No. What I mean is that Bart and Zack both got themselves over without the WWE planning for it, and the WWE purposely sabotaged them after they did.
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Post by Billy the Kid on Feb 5, 2013 7:44:49 GMT -5
So would that make Tensai this generations Doink? with the difference being Doink was over? No. What I mean is that Bart and Zack both got themselves over without the WWE planning for it, and the WWE purposely sabotaged them after they did. Bart only got over because of Brawl for All... WWE didn't sabotage him, he lost a lot of credibility after Butterbean knocked him out. I think him getting knocked out was the best thing that could've happened to him because he ended up going to Japan and becoming a huge star.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 7:52:41 GMT -5
No. What I mean is that Bart and Zack both got themselves over without the WWE planning for it, and the WWE purposely sabotaged them after they did. Bart only got over because of Brawl for All... WWE didn't sabotage him, he lost a lot of credibility after Butterbean knocked him out. I think him getting knocked out was the best thing that could've happened to him because he ended up going to Japan and becoming a huge star. They lead him out to slaughter against Butterbean. When they first came up with the BFA they didn't plan on having the winner face Butterbean. They assumed Dr Death would win and go on to feud with Austin. They put Bart in a fight with a 400 lb pro boxer who was 42-1-1 at the time. Jim Ross came up with the idea for Bart to fight Butterbean, who was furious with Bart for knocking out Doc Death (who he was good friends with). I don't see how you can say he "only got over because of the Brawl for All". Zack Ryder "only got over" because of the internet. There's no such thing as "only got over". If you get over, you're over. Getting over as a legitimate tough guy by knocking out one of the toughest guys in the history of the industry is far more impressive how most other people get over.
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Post by Billy the Kid on Feb 5, 2013 9:00:47 GMT -5
Bart only got over because of Brawl for All... WWE didn't sabotage him, he lost a lot of credibility after Butterbean knocked him out. I think him getting knocked out was the best thing that could've happened to him because he ended up going to Japan and becoming a huge star. They lead him out to slaughter against Butterbean. When they first came up with the BFA they didn't plan on having the winner face Butterbean. They assumed Dr Death would win and go on to feud with Austin. They put Bart in a fight with a 400 lb pro boxer who was 42-1-1 at the time. Jim Ross came up with the idea for Bart to fight Butterbean, who was furious with Bart for knocking out Doc Death (who he was good friends with). I don't see how you can say he "only got over because of the Brawl for All". Zack Ryder "only got over" because of the internet. There's no such thing as "only got over". If you get over, you're over. Getting over as a legitimate tough guy by knocking out one of the toughest guys in the history of the industry is far more impressive how most other people get over. I am aware that Jim Ross was good friends with Steve Williams and was pissed about the outcome of BFA. I loved Doc, he was one of my mentors in the business. As far as Bart Gunn goes, he was doing nothing before BFA... NOTHING. He was a part of the disastrous NWA storyline and that was all. Who knew he had a deadly left hook? Bart had a legitimate believability as a tough guy to the fans after BFA and if I remember correctly, he wasn't around for a bit before his boxing match with Butterbean except for his mini feuds with Bob Holly and Doc. And there is such a thing as "only got over," classic examples of it all over the place. Case in point, BFA. Unfortunately, most casual American fans weren't familiar with Steve Williams and his past, which is why a feud between him and Austin would've ended sourly for Doc. Which is also why Bart Gunn was able to have a successful career in Japan after his loss to Butterbean, the Japanese fans held him in high regard after knocking out one of the biggest gaijin stars they had. That's why I said "only got over because of BFA," if he had went into a program with someone high up on the card and didn't knock them out, he would've lost credibility and there was NO WAY he would've been booked to "knock out" someone whose star shined brighter than his at the time. I say "knock out" because after all the injuries that BFA caused, it would've been worked for sure, just like it was when he "knocked out" Bob Holly. Butterbean coming in was smart for business, regardless of who he fought, especially at WrestleMania. And one of the main reasons behind Bart and Butterbean's fight being a shoot boxing match rather than worked was because Butterbean's last "fight" in WWF with Marc Mero was a mess and the sports media picked up on that. Zack Ryder got over because of himself and his show. WWE isn't sabotaging anything, sure he gets a good reaction when he comes out, but nothing close like he used to and like someone else said, his Tweets bashing WWE doesn't really help his cause.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 9:24:08 GMT -5
They lead him out to slaughter against Butterbean. When they first came up with the BFA they didn't plan on having the winner face Butterbean. They assumed Dr Death would win and go on to feud with Austin. They put Bart in a fight with a 400 lb pro boxer who was 42-1-1 at the time. Jim Ross came up with the idea for Bart to fight Butterbean, who was furious with Bart for knocking out Doc Death (who he was good friends with). I don't see how you can say he "only got over because of the Brawl for All". Zack Ryder "only got over" because of the internet. There's no such thing as "only got over". If you get over, you're over. Getting over as a legitimate tough guy by knocking out one of the toughest guys in the history of the industry is far more impressive how most other people get over. I am aware that Jim Ross was good friends with Steve Williams and was pissed about the outcome of BFA. I loved Doc, he was one of my mentors in the business. As far as Bart Gunn goes, he was doing nothing before BFA... NOTHING. He was a part of the disastrous NWA storyline and that was all. Who knew he had a deadly left hook? Bart had a legitimate believability as a tough guy to the fans after BFA and if I remember correctly, he wasn't around for a bit before his boxing match with Butterbean except for his mini feuds with Bob Holly and Doc. And there is such a thing as "only got over," classic examples of it all over the place. Case in point, BFA. Unfortunately, most casual American fans weren't familiar with Steve Williams and his past, which is why a feud between him and Austin would've ended sourly for Doc. Which is also why Bart Gunn was able to have a successful career in Japan after his loss to Butterbean, the Japanese fans held him in high regard after knocking out one of the biggest gaijin stars they had. That's why I said "only got over because of BFA," if he had went into a program with someone high up on the card and didn't knock them out, he would've lost credibility and there was NO WAY he would've been booked to "knock out" someone whose star shined brighter than his at the time. I say "knock out" because after all the injuries that BFA caused, it would've been worked for sure, just like it was when he "knocked out" Bob Holly. Butterbean coming in was smart for business, regardless of who he fought, especially at WrestleMania. And one of the main reasons behind Bart and Butterbean's fight being a shoot boxing match rather than worked was because Butterbean's last "fight" in WWF with Marc Mero was a mess and the sports media picked up on that. Zack Ryder got over because of himself and his show. WWE isn't sabotaging anything, sure he gets a good reaction when he comes out, but nothing close like he used to and like someone else said, his Tweets bashing WWE doesn't really help his cause. The WWE sent Bart to Japan as part of a talent exchange for several months before Wrestlemania 15 to make sure the audience forgot about him. I remember that he came out after Hardcore Holly won the title and had a confrontation with him, he had a new haircut and a generic WWF Attitude T-Shirt on and no one knew who he was. Then they fed him to Butterbean. There was no upside to Bart being in the Butterbean fight. Even if he'd won the WWF audience wouldn't have cared. Butterbean was just a 400 lb fat slob to them.Before he left he was getting some pretty loud pops if I remember correctly. Bart himself said that Jim Ross was burrying him backstage, obviously over losing his friendship with Doc, who had blamed him for how badly things had gone for him in the WWF. Jim Cornette also said in one of his many shoots on the BFA that they (in particular Jim Ross) were unhappy with Bart after he knocked the Doc out, and he has criticized them for wasting the potential star that they'd made out of Bart. It's certainly fair to say that Jim Ross has never been even handed. You can always tell who he likes by the enthusiasm he has and how much he puts them over during their matches. They took Bart Gunn off of TV to make sure he lost all the momentum he had from the BFA win. Then fed him to a fat slob in a fight with no upside for him, to kill the biggest marketability factor he had. They've already ruined Ryder. They've jobbed him out for too long and made him look like crap in the storyline he had with Kane and Cena. I should imagine that the only reason he still has a job is because they've making money off of his merchandise.
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Post by Billy the Kid on Feb 5, 2013 9:45:44 GMT -5
I did not know WWF sent him to Japan, interesting. But I'm sure it wasn't just to make sure they forgot about him otherwise him fighting Butterbean without a backstory would be pointless. You said nobody knew who Bart was when he basically called out Bob Holly (which was in early 1999) then said he got pretty good pops before he left after Mania? That makes no sense. If they didn't remember Bart when he came back initially, feeding him to Butterbean wouldn't have made any bit of difference. He was over initially as a tough guy after the BFA. But WWF couldn't use that gimmick without actually having him knock people out becausd at that time, it was already widely acknowledged that wrestling wasn't entirely legitimate and as I said, they weren't going to put him over someone whose future was brighter.
Let's just agree to disagree: Bart Gunn was alright in America, obviously Japan is another story altogether. I am huge Bart Gunn/Mike Barton fan BTW.
As for Ryder, I agree. Jobbing out Zack is making him look stupid and weak but if he wants to move higher up, he needs to drop the comedy gimmick.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 10:02:54 GMT -5
I did not know WWF sent him to Japan, interesting. But I'm sure it wasn't just to make sure they forgot about him otherwise him fighting Butterbean without a backstory would be pointless. You said nobody knew who Bart was when he basically called out Bob Holly (which was in early 1999) then said he got pretty good pops before he left after Mania? That makes no sense. If they didn't remember Bart when he came back initially, feeding him to Butterbean wouldn't have made any bit of difference. He was over initially as a tough guy after the BFA. But WWF couldn't use that gimmick without actually having him knock people out becausd at that time, it was already widely acknowledged that wrestling wasn't entirely legitimate and as I said, they weren't going to put him over someone whose future was brighter. Let's just agree to disagree: Bart Gunn was alright in America, obviously Japan is another story altogether. I am huge Bart Gunn/Mike Barton fan BTW. As for Ryder, I agree. Jobbing out Zack is making him look stupid and weak but if he wants to move higher up, he needs to drop the comedy gimmick. He got good pops before he left for Japan after the Brawl For All. By all means, Bart was great in Japan. He should have ammounted to more in the WWE, and it's a shame they used him the way they did. I think the audience would have believed in a Bart Gunn/Austin feud if they'd built him up after the BFA properly. I'm not saying they had to give him the title, but it would have been a great feud to see. He could have easily found a home as a legitimately tough heel with Cornette as his manager and mouthpiece, whether he was chasing the world title, or the IC title.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 11:58:36 GMT -5
His lyrics are like so true bro and he communicates with the fan that's why he is the Internet champion ?? Mattel even made him with the exclusive championship. He's the best. I cut the lyrics out of the quoted reply for obvious reasons. I've heard the song. It sucks. As far as being the "Internet Champion," you are aware that the championship isn't an official championship in the WWE right? That's why he doesn't defend it on television. I don't even think he brings it to the ring with him. (Not sure, I don't watch much anymore) Zack Ryder did an awesome job of getting himself over without WWE's help and if you like him, fantastic, I am happy for you but I would give up trying to convince people on here otherwise especially by talking like him and post the lyrics to his crappy song. Did U even read the lyrics bro?
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Post by Likwid[[Southern]] on Feb 5, 2013 13:08:44 GMT -5
Quit feeding the obvious troll.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2013 15:54:21 GMT -5
Quit feeding the obvious troll. R U SRS BRO? Coming on m thread sayin I'm a troll r those srs allegations
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