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Post by Arthur Speaks on Feb 19, 2013 21:04:54 GMT -5
This should be Kobe vs Jordan.
Never once did MJ try and create a super-team. He waited and waited for seven years before the Bulls could become a better team. Even when the Pistons kept beating him, he stayed in Chicago and look where it got him.
I've never liked LeBron. He's always been arrogant, aloof, and selfish to me. The Cavaliers could've become contenders in a couple years just like the Bulls, but James just wants championships. He's got one ring. Cool. Kobe has five.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Feb 19, 2013 21:28:09 GMT -5
Hey, anybody remember the time Kobe demanded a trade from the Lakers as soon as they started getting bounced in the first round because he didn't have any help? Or that time the Lakers tried to build a superteam and it imploded from the start? Oh man, fun times. That LeBron guy sucks though.
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 19, 2013 22:54:34 GMT -5
Hey, anybody remember the time Kobe demanded a trade from the Lakers as soon as they started getting bounced in the first round because he didn't have any help? Or that time the Lakers tried to build a superteam and it imploded from the start? Oh man, fun times. That LeBron guy sucks though. Kobe is a d*** just like Lebron, but the differance is Kobe never gave less than 100% for his teams, even when they were crappy. His last two seasons in Cleaveland, Lebron clearly wasn't focused for it, especially during his last playoff run there. The guy was already talking about FA and what teams he would consider signing w/ during the friggin 08 Olympics, when he was still signed for a few more years. I'm not a Kobe fan at all. I think he's one of the biggest d***s is sports. Even hes admitted hes got an ego and rubs people the wrong way. But he cares about winning always gives it his all. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 19, 2013 22:57:10 GMT -5
Right now Lebron is better than Jordan. Jordan is 50 after all. Lebron is in him prime. ;D I honestly love those comments, Bill Russell does that all the time. Both in their primes, and you wanna compare careers, IT IS NOT EVEN CLOSE. Michael >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Russell/Wilt/Larry/Magic then you got another group Malone/Duncan/Kobe/Shaq/Oscar then you can put Lebron in there, he isnt in the first group or with MJ. Yet Oscar is the only man who ever averaged a triple double over a season. The guy is in the small group of GOATs w/ MJ, Magic, Russel, Bird, and Kareem |
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Post by Blackjack on Feb 19, 2013 23:04:39 GMT -5
This sums it up
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Post by K Dot on Feb 20, 2013 2:20:42 GMT -5
Hey, anybody remember the time Kobe demanded a trade from the Lakers as soon as they started getting bounced in the first round because he didn't have any help? Or that time the Lakers tried to build a superteam and it imploded from the start? Oh man, fun times. That LeBron guy sucks though. LOL superteam? With a 39 year old Nash who is past his prime and 34 year old Kobe himself. Plus Dwight Howard who isn't even that much better than Bynum. You're sadly mistaken if you think Kobe/Nash/Dwight is the same as LeBron who's the best player in the league joining forces with Wade who is probably top 3 SG and Bosh who imo is a top 5 PF. Demanding a trade and actually leaving a team to create a super team with other top guys are two different things. Not to mention he wanted to announce his decision over an hour long national tv show? Shows a lot about his maturity. I may not like LeBron but I'm not dumb, he's the best player in the NBA right now. But to say he's even in the discussion against Kobe let alone MJ? Cmon. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 20, 2013 15:20:40 GMT -5
The Lakers were way overhyped during the offseason, but this is simply not true. Howard is much more atheltically gifted. Defensivly Bynum is still a few steps behind him. Bynum is more natural than Howard on the offensive side of the ball, but Dwight has shown his sheer dominance in the paint. The problem with Howard now is that he lacks the passionhe had for the sports a few years ago. Somewhere along the line he decideded to become a pre-madonna. That and the fact he has been playing though nagging injuries this year. His back still isn't 100%.
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Post by K Dot on Feb 21, 2013 2:20:32 GMT -5
The Lakers were way overhyped during the offseason, but this is simply not true. Howard is much more atheltically gifted. Defensivly Bynum is still a few steps behind him. Bynum is more natural than Howard on the offensive side of the ball, but Dwight has shown his sheer dominance in the paint. The problem with Howard now is that he lacks the passionhe had for the sports a few years ago. Somewhere along the line he decideded to become a pre-madonna. That and the fact he has been playing though nagging injuries this year. His back still isn't 100%. If Dwight and Bynum were 100% healthy, there's no doubt in mind that Dwight would be #1 but Bynum would be locked as #2. I didn't mean that Dwight was only a little better, I meant it in a way that if Bynum were healthy he'd be right behind Dwight as #2 therefore it's not like you're comparing Dwight to some scrub. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 16:02:39 GMT -5
I wouldnt be suprised if the Heat win a ring again this year.
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 21, 2013 16:26:29 GMT -5
The Lakers were way overhyped during the offseason, but this is simply not true. Howard is much more atheltically gifted. Defensivly Bynum is still a few steps behind him. Bynum is more natural than Howard on the offensive side of the ball, but Dwight has shown his sheer dominance in the paint. The problem with Howard now is that he lacks the passionhe had for the sports a few years ago. Somewhere along the line he decideded to become a pre-madonna. That and the fact he has been playing though nagging injuries this year. His back still isn't 100%. If Dwight and Bynum were 100% healthy, there's no doubt in mind that Dwight would be #1 but Bynum would be locked as #2. I didn't mean that Dwight was only a little better, I meant it in a way that if Bynum were healthy he'd be right behind Dwight as #2 therefore it's not like you're comparing Dwight to some scrub. Even if Bynum was healthy, I'd take Marc Gasol and Noah over him in addition to Howard. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2013 16:31:13 GMT -5
If Dwight and Bynum were 100% healthy, there's no doubt in mind that Dwight would be #1 but Bynum would be locked as #2. I didn't mean that Dwight was only a little better, I meant it in a way that if Bynum were healthy he'd be right behind Dwight as #2 therefore it's not like you're comparing Dwight to some scrub. Even if Bynum was healthy, I'd take Marc Gasol and Noah over him in addition to Howard. Who wouldnt? Thats two good big men in the league over one great guy. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 22, 2013 10:05:15 GMT -5
Hey, anybody remember the time Kobe demanded a trade from the Lakers as soon as they started getting bounced in the first round because he didn't have any help? Or that time the Lakers tried to build a superteam and it imploded from the start? Oh man, fun times. That LeBron guy sucks though. Yea you kinda have to nip that one in the bud. I dont think it can be considered "building a superteam" when you get a bunch of guys who are past their prime/injured. Remember the first time where they got the ghosts of Karl Malone and Gary Payton or now with Steve Nash who's clearly not the same player he was a few years ago with Phx or Dallas. Has Dwight even been healthy since he's been a Laker? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 10:16:56 GMT -5
Jordan any day
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 23:08:09 GMT -5
I really hate how everyone bandwagons on Jordan. Who cares how many rings he has, im looking at the better overall player!
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Post by Jean-Ralphio on Feb 22, 2013 23:42:39 GMT -5
I really hate how everyone bandwagons on Jordan. Who cares how many rings he has, im looking at the better overall player! Its Jordan. Better player, better winner. Its Jordan. Every answer to every question is Jordan, not Lebron. Wins, MVPs, overall dominance in the game, changing of basketball etc. Its Michael Jeffery Jordan. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 23, 2013 18:40:40 GMT -5
I really hate how everyone bandwagons on Jordan. Who cares how many rings he has, im looking at the better overall player! You never watched basketball when Jordan was playing did you... Jordan completly changed the way the game is played. Nobody besofre or after him could emulate the things he could do, and because David Stern was so desperate to find the "next" Michael Jordan, he implemented a ton of rule changes to make it much harder on defenders to defend players. You want to talk about a complete player, how about the fact that he won the Scoring Title and the Defensive Player of the Year awards in the same year (1988). The guy lead the league 3x as a steals champ. A five time NBA MVP. 10x All NBA First Team. The guy was the most complete player you could find and was contantly making other stars of the league look like chumps when he played them. Hell, for a 6'6" player, he was constantly switching onto PFs and even some Cs to guard them at times. People always think he was just a dominant offensive player, when they don't realize that he was considered even better on the defensive end when he was playing. And as a leader, he made everyone around him better. He had the rare ability to make all of his teammates better. Thats something Kobe has always lacked and because of it, he will never be in the top catergory of elites in my book. Kobe is a great player but has always been overrated by fans and the media...he isn't even one of the top 2 Laker's of all time, let alone the top 10 players in NBA history. Lebron has shown he can make others around him better, but he lacks the killer instinct Jordan had throughout his whole career. At times, like currently, Lebron looks to have that killer instince, but he seems to lose focus often as well, like mostly during his final year w/ the Cavs and his first 2 with Miami. Charles Barkley said it best when he said that you could think you were the best player in the league, but when you played Michael, he made sure you knew that at best you were #2. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Feb 23, 2013 19:31:31 GMT -5
I really hate how everyone bandwagons on Jordan. Who cares how many rings he has, im looking at the better overall player! All of us (or at least most of us that have replied) all watched Jordan play basketball in his prime in person as well as seeing Lebron play. The old saying "older the wiser" whether you like to believe it or not, is true. Just because someone is a better athlete doesnt make them a better player. Lebron is probably a better athlete then Jordan, but he's not a better basketball player. Randy Moss is a better athlete then Jerry Rice, but he's not a better Wide Receiver. We've said it over and over and over and over and even given you the stats, awards, championships, leadership roles and everything to back it up and you still dont get it. Your response of "who cares how many rings he has, Im looking at the better overall player" shows that you're not doing any research whatsoever and you're not paying any attention to the FACTS that we're putting in front of you. Michael Jordan is hands down the greatest basketball player of all time. Period. Lebron will be great...Lebron is great...but he's not the Greatest and unless he just explodes with some freak stats/awards and championships with the rest of his career....He doesnt deserve to be mentioned in the conversation. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2013 20:22:26 GMT -5
I really hate how everyone bandwagons on Jordan. Who cares how many rings he has, im looking at the better overall player! You never watched basketball when Jordan was playing did you... Jordan completly changed the way the game is played. Nobody besofre or after him could emulate the things he could do, and because David Stern was so desperate to find the "next" Michael Jordan, he implemented a ton of rule changes to make it much harder on defenders to defend players. You want to talk about a complete player, how about the fact that he won the Scoring Title and the Defensive Player of the Year awards in the same year (1988). The guy lead the league 3x as a steals champ. A five time NBA MVP. 10x All NBA First Team. The guy was the most complete player you could find and was contantly making other stars of the league look like chumps when he played them. Hell, for a 6'6" player, he was constantly switching onto PFs and even some Cs to guard them at times. People always think he was just a dominant offensive player, when they don't realize that he was considered even better on the defensive end when he was playing. And as a leader, he made everyone around him better. He had the rare ability to make all of his teammates better. Thats something Kobe has always lacked and because of it, he will never be in the top catergory of elites in my book. Kobe is a great player but has always been overrated by fans and the media...he isn't even one of the top 2 Laker's of all time, let alone the top 10 players in NBA history. Lebron has shown he can make others around him better, but he lacks the killer instinct Jordan had throughout his whole career. At times, like currently, Lebron looks to have that killer instince, but he seems to lose focus often as well, like mostly during his final year w/ the Cavs and his first 2 with Miami. Charles Barkley said it best when he said that you could think you were the best player in the league, but when you played Michael, he made sure you knew that at best you were #2. Then again Lebron still has at least 5 years left in his career. He can definitly surpass Jordan in these years. It is a huge possibility! Who knows, Lebron still isnt in his peak yet. He continues to grow and get better. Maybe he will be better than Jordan. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Feb 24, 2013 1:36:52 GMT -5
I love how when Lebron first signed w/ Miami, Wade and him claimed they'd win atleast 7 titles. Then after Jordan recently picked Kobe over him because of the number of rings, Lebron claimed rings don't define a career. The guy is a hypocrite and shows he isn't always focused on winning. Granted rings don't always define a career considering the crappy teams some great players have been on and what era they play in (Barkely, Malone, Stockton, Wilkins, Richmond), but rings do define those who are in that upper elite class and who are simply great.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2013 10:22:26 GMT -5
I love how when Lebron first signed w/ Miami, Wade and him claimed they'd win atleast 7 titles. Then after Jordan recently picked Kobe over him because of the number of rings, Lebron claimed rings don't define a career. The guy is a hypocrite and shows he isn't always focused on winning. Granted rings don't always define a career considering the crappy teams some great players have been on and what era they play in (Barkely, Malone, Stockton, Wilkins, Richmond), but rings do define those who are in that upper elite class and who are simply great. True, but Lebron will end up with more than one ring by the time he's retired. Kobe was and still is a great player, but he lacked what all the best players had. The ability to make everyone around you a whole lot better. Kobe again had a good team, even though he pulled through the end he always had someone on his side when he got a ring. Lebron has Wade who is about 3 years past his prime. Bosh who is a little over his prime as well |
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