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Post by drifter on Feb 25, 2013 19:36:39 GMT -5
Lack of competition is severely hurting them right now, if there was another company in the present day like WCW with the funding and the desire to take WWE down ,then I think things would be 1000x better. Plus it doesn't help that Vince still thinks his ideas are gold.Hell one of the things that Punk hit on the head during the infamous pipe bomb, was that Vince surrounds himself with yes men, that will tell him everything he wants to hear, and not what he needs to hear.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Feb 25, 2013 19:40:54 GMT -5
Because they used every single minute of air time to do something with somebody, instead of filling it with useless filler garbage.
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Post by drifter on Feb 25, 2013 19:47:08 GMT -5
Another thing, while I'm not sure, but I don't think during the Attitude Era, you had as many people in creative positions with no real wrestling background, as there are now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2013 19:52:35 GMT -5
Just seems like an easy formula to follow and better the product. Especially with them having more hours of television to work with.
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Post by IRS on Feb 25, 2013 19:55:04 GMT -5
Lack of competition is severely hurting them right now, if there was another company in the present day like WCW with the funding and the desire to take WWE down ,then I think things would be 1000x better. Plus it doesn't help that Vince still thinks his ideas are gold.Hell one of the things that Punk hit on the head during the infamous pipe bomb, was that Vince surrounds himself with yes men, that will tell him everything he wants to hear, and not what he needs to hear. Yep, someone needs to stand up to him and tell him that not everything he does is perfect, of course no one will for fear of losing their job.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Feb 25, 2013 20:20:52 GMT -5
The fact that they didn't spend half of every show plugging Twitter and Tout and interactive polls probably had something to do with it.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Feb 25, 2013 20:24:31 GMT -5
Just seems like an easy formula to follow and better the product. Especially with them having more hours of television to work with. The talent isn't the same. Creative spends more time now writing a script of what they want guys to say on the air word by word, whereas back in the day they would just tell a wrestler what the gist of their promo should be and they were smart enough to come up with a competent promo on their own. They baby a lot of the wrestlers now because they don't trust them to do things and act on their own instinct. Why do you think all of the acting and jokes in the WWE nowadays are so cheesy and corny? Like someone else said, the WWE has guys writing who either have no idea what wrestling is or they do have a background in wrestling but the business has clearly passed them by (Michael Hayes).
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Post by flea on Feb 25, 2013 20:29:50 GMT -5
Hardcore Division had stacked matches, normally 6-8 people involved some weeks. HUGE Factions. The Ministry, the Corporation, Nation of Domination, the Corporate Ministry, the Union, D-Generation-X.
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Post by J12 on Feb 25, 2013 23:52:39 GMT -5
I think it's a combination of a few things...
-A lackadaisical attitude. Vince knows there's no competition, and therefore, minimum effort can still turn out desirable results.
-A strong desire to follow trends instead of the create them. During the Attitude Era, WWE was dictating what was popular. They were the cool kids. Now they're the outcasts just trying to fit in and find their place in modern mainstream pop culture.
-Vince being vastly out of touch. He's obviously concerned with very little else other than the major Championship and his few top guys. This can easily explain why we consistently see mid-card angles drop off the face of the earth out of nowhere, entire divisions come and go in waves, and the like. No matter how competent the writers are, Vince has the final say. What he says goes, even if it doesn't make any sense.
And to me, perhaps the largest contributing factor that doesn't get talked about a lot...
I have a sneaking suspicion, and I have for many years, that WWE simply aren't comfortable with their top guys, particularly the babyfaces. There's a tremendous amount of protection placed over guys like Cena, Sheamus, and Randy Orton. They are the faces of WWE and yet they never broke the proverbial glass ceiling into the mainstream like the likes of Hulk Hogan, Stone Cold and The Rock. As a result, I think Vince sees a necessity to build them up as unstoppable as possible within the WWE's fictional universe to make up for their shortcomings elsewhere. As a result, you see a great deal of time and attention spent on protecting them and building their brand, while the mid-card, and the top level heels go largely unnoticed or completely ignored.
This also explains the constant need to bring in talent from the previous era to, again, try to cement this era's legacy as being comparable. Hell, they've spent two entire years trying to get to that point with Cena by building up his big moment with The Rock.
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Post by Jaz on Feb 26, 2013 2:17:37 GMT -5
Because half of the show wasn't about Twitter.
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Feb 26, 2013 4:30:26 GMT -5
It's a different time now, the advent of the internet changed wrestling as a whole.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 5:52:51 GMT -5
the point about creative is also a good one.under Vince during the "war"creative was a free flowing exchange of ideas.obviously Vince had the last say but he was willing to listen at least when Prichard,Cornette,Russo,Ross etc etc etc had something to say.
when his daughter became head of creative she changed how things were done.thats where the yes men came into play.......
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Post by dgnr8 on Feb 26, 2013 7:04:39 GMT -5
There is a very simple answer to this question:
Back in the day, decisions were made in the interest of the company and its talents. Building feuds, smart booking and the best entertainment possible were the primary concern.
Then the company went public...
Now EVERY decision is made in the interest of the investors. Storylines don't need to be entertaining or groundbreaking as long as they're PROFITABLE. The push a talent receives is less based on quality than marketability.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 8:59:22 GMT -5
Some really good opinions/facts being mentioned in here. It just seems stupid to allow the product to suffer because of these reasons.
If the company is profitable and is making money, though... I guess it's not that important.
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Post by Chip on Feb 26, 2013 9:12:03 GMT -5
Everyone is pretty much summing it up nicely here.
- the writers suck something awful - vince has no competition anymore - the writers suck something awful
and not to be all "anti-PG" but this company really is focusing on kiddie style entertainment (all the good guys win, most promos are corny bullcrap, etc.) even though 80% of their audience is over 18.
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Post by T R W on Feb 26, 2013 9:14:14 GMT -5
While I agree with a LOT of the points made here, it is also true that not everything in the Attitude Era was golden, and people look at it through rose colored glasses.
I think the lack of patience is a big thing. If something doesn't work immediately, they yank them off tv.
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Post by Brankind on Feb 26, 2013 10:41:31 GMT -5
I don't wanna be that guy, but it's basically because the writers are either A) lazy B) morons or C) lazy morons. this , plus that era had the Monday night war which fueled they to do better
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 11:53:39 GMT -5
While I agree with a LOT of the points made here, it is also true that not everything in the Attitude Era was golden, and people look at it through rose colored glasses. I think the lack of patience is a big thing. If something doesn't work immediately, they yank them off tv. Oh, Attitude Era isn't even my favorite era of the WWE. I know it had many flaws. The point I was asking for was: - They had a solid tag division and were all given a decent amount of TV time each week. Outlaws, LOD, Godwinns, New Blackjacks, Headbangers, NOD, DOA, Bulldog & Owen, Corporation, etc. - They were able to build main event feuds that weren't in the tittle picture. - Jobbers/enhancement talent were just that. They didn't go from jobbing one week to being in title contention 3 weeks later... or vice versa. ... amongst other reasons.
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Post by J12 on Feb 26, 2013 12:09:54 GMT -5
While I agree with a LOT of the points made here, it is also true that not everything in the Attitude Era was golden, and people look at it through rose colored glasses. I think the lack of patience is a big thing. If something doesn't work immediately, they yank them off tv. I agree. The Attitude Era has some glaring flaws. I also think the wrestling of this era, by and large, has improved. The problem is that the story is rarely there, so a great match can be a great match but if it doesn't have at least a decent story to go along with it, it's going to be relatively forgettable in the long run. The Attitude Era was all about the story. So, you had decent matches greatly enhanced by story, and great matches cemented as a classics because of the story behind them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2013 12:28:10 GMT -5
Oh, wrestling matches... this era has popped out some of the best, but what's only when the real talent is given a chance to shine. Much like the Ruthless Agression era (possibly my favorite, other than the early 90's).
The talent pool that the WWE has right now is incredible: You have the older guys like The Undertaker, Kane, Chris Jericho, Triple H, Brock Lesnar, William Regal and Big Show (who has had his best matches over the last 2 years, in my opinion).
Then you have the middle aged guys like CM Punk, Daniel Bryan, Christian, Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio and Tensai.
Finally, you have these young guys like Dolph Ziggler, Antonio Cesaro, Jack Swagger, Kofi Kingston, Dean Ambrose, Seth Rollins, Tyson Kidd, Wade Barrett, Curt Hawkins, Zack Ryder, Justin Gabriel, Darren Young, Evan Bourne, Primo,The Uso's and Michael McGillicutty.
... how they don't give these younger guys a chance to shine blows my mind. It's like NXT is the place to go watch good wrestling from talented athletes. If they could put some attention to their non-main event talent... the WWE's product would be incredible.
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