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Post by revolution on Mar 5, 2013 7:34:55 GMT -5
Alright, I missed Raw tonight because my DirectTV box broke, does anybody have a website that will have the full Raw tomorrow? If you do send it to me in PM please? I'll give karma if you want. Much appreciated, it'll suck to miss a Raw for the first time since 07. It'll be on youtube in a few days, just search around for it.
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Post by marino13 on Mar 5, 2013 8:53:29 GMT -5
I thought the overall show was pretty good.
I just wish they'd stop booking Cesaro to look so weak. I know Ryback is their monster push right now, but Cesaro has the potential to be a top heel in the company. Something WWE sorely needs immediately.
And no offense to the NOA. But they should not be defeating any young team. Unless this is a build up for Epico/Primo to fire Rosa and bring back Carlito within a few months.
I'm excited for Triple H/Lesnar.
Punk is gold.
Ziggler/Miz was a great match.
I assumed we were getting Big Show/Booker T at WM. I was wrong.
Happy for Mae Young. I love that lady. Punk was gold.
Ryback vs Henry has my attention.
Fatal Four way was a solid match for free TV. Again... Punk is gold.
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Post by Dan on Mar 5, 2013 8:59:42 GMT -5
There is absolutely no excitement in this Road to Wrestlemania whatsoever. I even get the impression that the Superstars aren't even that bothered this year. Undertaker's Streak at Wrestlemania has gotten more important and more personal every year, and it has now taken a huge backward step in the most laziest of fashion. We've gone from the huge personal back story behind Shawn Michaels needing to beat him so much to the point he puts his Career on the Line. The emotion behind that Match made it all the better. The same goes for the Matches with Triple H in recent past, Undertaker losing his strength and 'power' and the gimmick of Hell in a Cell being added.
But this year however, they are relying solely on CM Punk to put on a Match with Undertaker to make the Card look slightly stronger. No matter how good these two are in the Ring, if there is no logic or personal issue or underlying story to pair these two together, the Match will lack emotion and hype. I'm sorry, but having CM Punk go from a 434 day reign as WWE Champion to being back down to the level as three other guys in a Four Way Match to determine who should face Undertaker is the laziest booking I've ever seen.
Also, it's all very well hyping Undertaker's return. Cryptic Video Packages we've seen in previous years or even as far as the 'viral text' they did prior to Raw last night are all fine and an intelligent way to bring in viewers and up numbers. I understand that. But to have him literally come out and stand there to open the Show just to keep people watching is taking it to an all new level. It questions why am I even watching. Why couldn't they of just saved his Return until the very end of the night, the suspense for him to return would of been off the chart.
This brings me onto Lesnar vs Triple H. It's once again such lazy booking to just have one of them come out, talk for 5 minutes then leave, without the other one even being there. They are booked in for one of the big Matches at Wrestlemania, yet they put hardly any effort into the build as they think the Match sells itself so we will just do a couple of promos and that will sell it fine. Why not go that extra bit and give the fans a fun build up, it disappoints me so much.
As for The Rock vs John Cena II, it's so hard to buy into this seeing as everyone knows Cena is leaving as WWE Champion at Wrestlemania. The promo last night all but confirms that. The basis of the feud is all about John Cena getting his redemption and finally becoming WWE Champion again. The Rock's part is purely to hold the Title for now, he gives us little reason at all to believe he will actually win at Wrestlemania, or even why he should.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Mar 5, 2013 9:51:39 GMT -5
I thought the show was lackluster at best. I don't care one bit about the Cena/Rock rematch, because we've already seen it once and you've gotta be a dummy if you don't think Cena will win this time around. Its painfully obvious he's gonna win and I couldn't care less.
Also, after all the huge guys Taker has beat at 'Mania like King Kong Bundy, Sycho Sid, Diesel, and Batista, I just cannot buy a scrawny 210 pound CM Punk as a serious threat at all. Not in the least. I don't know how anyone could.
If it takes 'Taker longer than 10 mins to beat this guy, then you know its rigged. Punk is just way too damn small to be taken as any sort of serious threat to 'Taker's streak when you look back at all the monsters he's beat.
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Post by awesomeallamerican on Mar 5, 2013 10:06:02 GMT -5
I thought the show was lackluster at best. I don't care one bit about the Cena/Rock rematch, because we've already seen it once and you've gotta be a dummy if you don't think Cena will win this time around. Its painfully obvious he's gonna win and I couldn't care less. Also, after all the huge guys Taker has beat at 'Mania like King Kong Bundy, Sycho Sid, Diesel, and Batista, I just cannot buy a scrawny 210 pound CM Punk as a serious threat at all. Not in the least. I don't know how anyone could. If it takes 'Taker longer than 10 mins to beat this guy, then you know its rigged. Punk is just way too damn small to be taken as any sort of serious threat to 'Taker's streak when you look back at all the monsters he's beat. It IS rigged. It's wrestling. You're supposed to be able to suspend disbelief. King Kong Bundy may be more than twice the size of Punk, but nobody with any sense would ever say that King Kong Bundy was better. Also, if you're looking for realism, then consider the fact that Taker is much older now than he was when he beat the guys you listed. Guys decline with age in professional sports. Professional wrestling shouldn't be any different from a kayfabe perspective.
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Post by Bandalero on Mar 5, 2013 10:08:54 GMT -5
everyone's mentioned that it's "painfully" obvious that Cena will beat Rock at WM29 and walk out as champ.
But umm, isn't that the truth for the other 2 big main event matches?
Who really thinks CM Punk is going to beat Undertaker and end the streak?
Who really thinks Triple H isn't going to get back a win for his father-in-law/HBK/arm/wife and all that is holy?
Please this is a crap WM with no surprises.
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Post by Chris Hammers on Mar 5, 2013 10:10:48 GMT -5
I thought the show was lackluster at best. I don't care one bit about the Cena/Rock rematch, because we've already seen it once and you've gotta be a dummy if you don't think Cena will win this time around. Its painfully obvious he's gonna win and I couldn't care less. Also, after all the huge guys Taker has beat at 'Mania like King Kong Bundy, Sycho Sid, Diesel, and Batista, I just cannot buy a scrawny 210 pound CM Punk as a serious threat at all. Not in the least. I don't know how anyone could. If it takes 'Taker longer than 10 mins to beat this guy, then you know its rigged. Punk is just way too damn small to be taken as any sort of serious threat to 'Taker's streak when you look back at all the monsters he's beat. That makes no sense at all. Punk is the same size (if not bigger) than Shawn Michaels. You really need to suspend your disbelief of smaller guys beating bigger guys.
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Post by Mr. Old School™ on Mar 5, 2013 10:16:14 GMT -5
I know its rigged buddy. Ive been watching longer than you've been alive, put it that way. It shouldn't take 'Taker more than 10 mins to put away someone who is as big as The 1-2-3 Kid. LOL.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 10:22:46 GMT -5
I know its rigged buddy. Ive been watching longer than you've been alive, put it that way. It shouldn't take 'Taker more than 10 mins to put away someone who is as big as The 1-2-3 Kid. LOL. I miss when you weren't around this board. People like Eddie Guerrero and Rey Mysterio have pinned the likes of Brock Lesnar and the Big Show. Its wrestling. Anything can happen. You've been watching wrestling for that damn long and you still don't know that.
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Post by awesomeallamerican on Mar 5, 2013 10:25:44 GMT -5
I know its rigged buddy. Ive been watching longer than you've been alive, put it that way. It shouldn't take 'Taker more than 10 mins to put away someone who is as big as The 1-2-3 Kid. LOL. Taker is 47 years old and his body is broken down. This isn't The Undertaker circa 1997 we're talking about. It would be like saying that it isn't believable Floyd Mayweather could beat Mike Tyson right now today because Tyson is bigger. The fact of the matter is that Tyson is old, fat and washed up, so Mayweather would run circles around him.
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Post by Brad on Mar 5, 2013 10:51:11 GMT -5
I thought the show was lackluster at best. I don't care one bit about the Cena/Rock rematch, because we've already seen it once and you've gotta be a dummy if you don't think Cena will win this time around. Its painfully obvious he's gonna win and I couldn't care less. Also, after all the huge guys Taker has beat at 'Mania like King Kong Bundy, Sycho Sid, Diesel, and Batista, I just cannot buy a scrawny 210 pound CM Punk as a serious threat at all. Not in the least. I don't know how anyone could. If it takes 'Taker longer than 10 mins to beat this guy, then you know its rigged. Punk is just way too damn small to be taken as any sort of serious threat to 'Taker's streak when you look back at all the monsters he's beat. That makes no sense at all. Punk is the same size (if not bigger) than Shawn Michaels. You really need to suspend your disbelief of smaller guys beating bigger guys. Totally agree here man. As far as what I thought of the show, Punk was fantastic as always. I'm looking forward to Taker/Punk more than I thought I would. I'm REALLY looking forward to Triple H/Lesnar. I also expect Swagger/Del Rio to be decent. I don't really care about Rock/Cena but maybe they'll pull out a good match. (I don't have high hopes for this) Yes, I think the winners of said matches are fairly obvious but I'm still looking forward to it because I expect the matches to be good. I feel bad for you guys who can't seem to just relax and enjoy the show. Calling it a crappy WM before you even see it is pretty sad. And oh... I thought the last old school Raw was better. I'm personally tired of the same legends for everything. It's became predictable and a cop out. Though seeing HTM was neat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 11:37:54 GMT -5
I know its rigged buddy. Ive been watching longer than you've been alive, put it that way. It shouldn't take 'Taker more than 10 mins to put away someone who is as big as The 1-2-3 Kid. LOL. Go back to being a douche on the UFC board. You're not wanted here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 11:42:27 GMT -5
Tensai's new singlet is glorious. Undertaker vs Punkeroo should be a good match but I'd still love to see Taker vs Jericho. Either way Punk isn't qualified to end the streak. <3 Kings Jacket. Rock vs Cena II should be awesome. Shield vs Big Show, Sheamus, Orton at Wrestlemania? Why does Triple H keep mispronouncing "Ass-Kisser" as "Ass-Kicker"?
THE NEW AGE OUTLAWS.
That crowd was crap all night, even Undertaker barely got a reaction.
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Post by flea on Mar 5, 2013 11:47:47 GMT -5
I thought the show was lackluster at best. I don't care one bit about the Cena/Rock rematch, because we've already seen it once and you've gotta be a dummy if you don't think Cena will win this time around. Its painfully obvious he's gonna win and I couldn't care less. Also, after all the huge guys Taker has beat at 'Mania like King Kong Bundy, Sycho Sid, Diesel, and Batista, I just cannot buy a scrawny 210 pound CM Punk as a serious threat at all. Not in the least. I don't know how anyone could. If it takes 'Taker longer than 10 mins to beat this guy, then you know its rigged. Punk is just way too damn small to be taken as any sort of serious threat to 'Taker's streak when you look back at all the monsters he's beat. That makes no sense at all. Punk is the same size (if not bigger) than Shawn Michaels. You really need to suspend your disbelief of smaller guys beating bigger guys. Yes, look at the side of this midget. He has no chance! *roll eyes*
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Post by Flair Forever on Mar 5, 2013 11:51:03 GMT -5
I know its rigged buddy. Ive been watching longer than you've been alive, put it that way. It shouldn't take 'Taker more than 10 mins to put away someone who is as big as The 1-2-3 Kid. LOL. That's what makes wrestling great - one of my fondest memories was when the 1-2-3 Kid upset Razor Ramon - it was completely unexpected and showed that "anything can happen in wrestling." CM Punk also held the title for 434 days, (or whatever) while King Kong Bundy never captured the WWE title even once... and by your theory, don't you think Brodus Clay would destroy CM Punk? Would Great Khali crush Punk? And Ric Flair proved even back in the 80's that you don't have to be the biggest, or the strongest, but you can be the smartest, and the best wrestler in the world by outsmarting your opponents.... it's what makes wrestling fun. I'd be more apt to believe that IF there's any truth to the rumor that Undertaker would like to lose at Wrestlemania (& give "the rub), he'd rather CM Punk be the one to beat him as opposed to Cena... I think that shred of hope will keep me on the edge of my seat at Wrestlemania... I've also said that the Shield should align with Punk, and stack the deck against Undertaker.... make it no DQ or something, then have The Shield run in for the beat-down - someone could make the save (a returning Stone Cold Steve Austin, saving Undertaker, costing Punk the legacy, and setting up Austin VS. Punk for next year)? How wild would the crowd be if that happened as a total surprise? That would be a TRUE Wrestlemania moment... I'd love to see it. Then 'Taker and Stone Cold have a post-match beer bash... Or, if we're not thinking that far ahead, someone like Kane could lend the assist... less interesting, but then Kane could feud with Punk for a while, maybe Bryan gets into the post-Wretlemania mix... three way match after Wrestlemania? Perhaps they could get Undertaker to do a Bryan/Punk VS Brothers of Destruction match at Extreme Rules, or maybe they could even stretch it to Summerslam?
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Post by Bandalero on Mar 5, 2013 12:10:53 GMT -5
to have the streak end on a run-in from the Shield would be such a huge injustice.
If the streak has to end, it has to be a clean victory to get that "rub" for whoever it is.
Really would Undertaker end his legacy on a cheap run-in?
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Post by /X Metal Sorenges x "Mac Oh J~ on Mar 5, 2013 12:18:24 GMT -5
Who won the 4 way tag match?
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Post by wabarrett on Mar 5, 2013 12:18:42 GMT -5
I know its rigged buddy. Ive been watching longer than you've been alive, put it that way. It shouldn't take 'Taker more than 10 mins to put away someone who is as big as The 1-2-3 Kid. LOL. Yeah, and Eddie, Michaels, Mysterio, Benoit and all those other tiny weaklings had nothing on King Kong Bundy either. You talk such nonsense. Since when was how big you were what mattered in wrestling? The big, powerful guys are usually also the slow, less savvy and more prone to mistakes. That's how it's always been. CM Punk will use his skill and brains to compete with Undertaker. You say you've been watching longer than we've been alive but boy, there's no evidence of it.
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Post by Flair Forever on Mar 5, 2013 14:35:44 GMT -5
to have the streak end on a run-in from the Shield would be such a huge injustice. If the streak has to end, it has to be a clean victory to get that "rub" for whoever it is. Really would Undertaker end his legacy on a cheap run-in? No, I honestly don't see any real scenario where Punk wins.... but I think WWE needs to stack the deck against the Undertaker as much as possible in order for us to believe Punk might win.... using the Shield would be just such a scenario... I think it would be cool if Punk just declares war - that he will defeat Undertaker NO MATTER WHAT, he will cheat, he'll steal the win, he'll bribe referees, he'll get Undertaker disqualified, ANYTHING to end the Streak, even by a screwjob.... that would lend an air of unpredictability to the match... and then, of course, Undertaker somehow defies the odds, The Streak lives, and we all go home happy... Maybe Punk puts a bounty on Undertaker? And The Shield tries to collect... and when they fail, Punk feuds with them... My point is that there are ways to make this unpredictable, WWE Creative just isn't finding them.... I hope they do.
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Post by K5 on Mar 5, 2013 14:47:12 GMT -5
love the old school feel and old theme.
cesaro losing was balogna. why not have ryback/henry, cesaro/ryder instead...
happy to see taker back.
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