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Post by greenmist on May 4, 2013 16:07:38 GMT -5
it has been re-listed by Woodrows toys
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2013 19:21:53 GMT -5
Hey guys. I have seen these boards write about how woodrow's toys sells fake resin LJN figures. He recently sold his unreleased Slaughter figure to me. It isn't so much an investment for me as it is a curiosity. I have the cash so I took the risk. Once it arrives I have a plan in place to get it checked out by the experts. I will relay those results to everyone once the piece has been looked at by them. They are interested in looking at it themselves.
I was talking with Woodrow's toys and in my opinion I believe it to be real. I agree with the other person who posted here that this figure has as much chance of being real as the original 'mold' and yes there are differences in the two pictures but in a short time we will see if this one is real according to the credible experts and researchers.
This figure came from panaecreations originally. She recently sold her other Slaughter figure. The one she sold and the one from Woodrow's are two different figures with two slightly different paint schemes. It has been proven that she has indeed worked for LJN because websites and magazines have interviewed her about her time working for them. Also with this figure she has included a personalized COA stating her position and verifying the item as original.
There is something else I agree with after my own research. These are NOT prototypes rather they are samples (salesman samples if you will). However, I want to know if it is an original paint sample from the middle 1980s and from LJN. This way we will know one way or the other is she is a legitimate business woman and if you nay sayers missed a huge opportunity because of your doubt. This will also prove if she is casting them herself or if the samples are original.
I welcome any thoughts or questions leading up to the big reveal.
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Post by ozz on May 12, 2013 9:29:21 GMT -5
That's awesome of you to come here and share! Also that you're willing, able, and interested to do the dirty work to realize new information for the collector world
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2013 12:08:41 GMT -5
...i have no doubt that they're real, but it'll be cool to hear what your research reveals...
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Post by micco on May 17, 2013 7:14:08 GMT -5
welp... i was on the fence, but now there's an unpainted test shot on ebay. pretty sure these are fake.
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Post by The Madness on May 17, 2013 7:38:32 GMT -5
Fake, fake, fake.
Most customizers could easily do this.
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Post by ozz on May 17, 2013 18:53:39 GMT -5
welp... i was on the fence, but now there's an unpainted test shot on ebay. pretty sure these are fake. Pretty much the same story here. I'd given the benefit of the doubt but this now is just so entirely unlikely.
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Post by Nemo on May 17, 2013 22:10:53 GMT -5
Fake, fake, fake. Most customizers could easily do this. Except for the fact that this version is vinyl and posable. That would take a very skilled mold maker and artist, not a customizer.
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Post by GoldenHulk on May 18, 2013 19:30:20 GMT -5
Fake, fake, fake. Most customizers could easily do this. Except for the fact that this version is vinyl and posable. That would take a very skilled mold maker and artist, not a customizer. A reasonably talented customizer. One who could make a figure, make a mold of it, then cast it in a softer material. BIG "however", the only figures that would have ever gotten to the level that there would be so many various examples of them are those that went to the very last stages of production, and not even those have ever been seen except for the odd painted resin proto here and there. Slaughter was never even mentioned in any of the advance sales sheets or the toy fair presentation prior to the release of the figures, and was actually gone from the WWF soon after the deal was finalized to even manufacture the figures. The farthest along the idea of a figure would have likely gotten for him would have been in the talking stages only. Let me quote myself from last month just to finish up: Mind you, there's never been one shred of evidence that he was ever in the plans for series 1 of the LJN figures, but that has not stopped anyone from continuing to produce these figures. What is telling to me is that the prototypes people CAN verify and know exist have never popped up (alternate Tito, Blassie, etc), nor has any concrete information on figure we can verify were intended to be included in the final, cancelled LJN wave of figures (Bad News, Brother Love, etc). Now that this figure has sold for such a high dollar amount I figure it's only a matter of time before some more of these are mysteriously "rediscovered".
From the auction in question: "THIS IS A FACTORY TEST SHOT WITH A WIRE IN THE ARMS & LEGS - THE COMPANY MAY OF HAD THOUGHTS OF MAKING A LARGE BENDIE FIGURE - ARMS & LEGS CAN BE MOVED INTO DIFFERENT POSITIONS" Now we've just come to the point of ridiculous. You can also tell that it does seem to be made of vinyl or some similar material, not the rubber LJN actually used for the figures and would have used for any test shots.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on May 18, 2013 21:10:40 GMT -5
The same seller now has an unpainted version up.
I agree with most people that it's not real, but I do wish we could ind out the full story on this thing. It would be most interesting.
Also, the other things the seller offers are neat. All kinds of different LJN lines. Of course, I think someone on here mentioned that the former LJN employee part is true, even if the rest isn't.
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Post by hh2trotts on May 19, 2013 17:02:13 GMT -5
Jason16 Have you gotten the figure in hand yet? anything you can tell us about it?
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 19:34:04 GMT -5
I do have the figure in hand. It is made very well. It is all one molded piece and the paint is not 'perfect as it looked in the photo. The figure is hand painted as well, including the skin tone. Also it is a solid figure (not hollow). Back in an 2009 she was interviewed in a publication where she speaks of the LJN unreleased Slaughter figure. There is a lot of backstory that matches her story and claims. I know there will always be unbelievers and I will be shipping this figure to the US very soon for it to undergo more research and to be evaluated. I know if the results come back good there will still be those who will not believe. I am not doing this for them. The reason paid so much for the figure and am paying hundreds of dollars more on the research is for the opportunity to find more information about these collectible figures. This will add more certainty to these prototype samples that have come out recently.
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Post by GoldenHulk on May 19, 2013 20:15:02 GMT -5
I do have the figure in hand. It is made very well. It is all one molded piece and the paint is not 'perfect as it looked in the photo. The figure is hand painted as well, including the skin tone. Also it is a solid figure (not hollow). Back in an 2009 she was interviewed in a publication where she speaks of the LJN unreleased Slaughter figure. There is a lot of backstory that matches her story and claims. I know there will always be unbelievers and I will be shipping this figure to the US very soon for it to undergo more research and to be evaluated. I know if the results come back good there will still be those who will not believe. I am not doing this for them. The reason paid so much for the figure and am paying hundreds of dollars more on the research is for the opportunity to find more information about these collectible figures. This will add more certainty to these prototype samples that have come out recently. Okay, well here's the deal: I've been a fan of LJN figures since I was a little kid and first saw a picture of Hulk Hogan holding a prototype of his figure in my mom's copy of US Magazine. I've devoured every piece of info I could find on these figures since then and there has never been a mention of Slaughter anywhere official ever. This lady in question was apparently an office worker in the customer service department of LJN. She was never in on the production side. There is nothing that backs up her claim except the other things she has said in interviews with other websites. The fact that, after all this time, no less than three different versions of this figure have popped up for sale in online auctions in the past year speaks volumes. There are figures we know were deep in the production stages that have never been found in any format (concept sketches to prototype figures). These include figures that were so deep into production (the final series that included Bad News and the Bushwhackers) that mail order companies had begun taking advance orders and had given official release dates. Slaughter was never mentioned anywhere, as he was gone from the WWF by the time the LJN figures went into production. The only reason he was EVER associated with the line is the fact that Hasbro released a figure in similar scale and style as part of their GI Joe line. The most we could have here is a piece sculpted by someone who worked for LJN at that time and sold/passed off as a piece scrapped from the official line by an office worker who was a friend of said sculptor. Note all of the other dubious "prototypes" and resin pieces this individual offers for sale. If they were all legit it would stand as one of the most impressive collections of prototype and unreleased toys ever assembled, and all from someone who allegedly just took customer service calls. And all of them resurfacing decades later, besides. Also very important to note that the "two people" on this thread hyping these figure the hardest as being real are the ones that have only been registered for a matter of days.
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Post by akawildfire on May 19, 2013 22:06:05 GMT -5
This is funny.... A fake Figure based on a fake mold... This story will never end. And next up will be?
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Post by Nemo on May 20, 2013 17:54:34 GMT -5
Here's my guess. Since it IMPOSSIBLE to create a vinyl figure in a home or garage setup, the plaster mold was used to make a metal mold (electroplated). You can google it all day but the only casting vinyl on the market that can be used by an amateur is hot melt vinyl. That's like fishing lure material. The other options are silicone, urethane, and latex. And these are all out of the picture. If you look at the pic I posted, you'll see the arm placement is different. Next, look at the holes on the backside of Slaughter. They match the mold. These are wire placement holes. So, the vinyl figure came first, then the arms were repositioned, molded and then cast in resin out of a silicone or urethane mold. I not a big collector but I know the art world, the industry, and the materials used very well.
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Post by ozz on May 20, 2013 20:17:19 GMT -5
Boy I'd love to see someone here run into Sgt. Slaughter at a convention meet & greet event...
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Post by romafan87 on May 20, 2013 22:06:47 GMT -5
Not trying to confirm or deny anything but Slaughter very easily fits the time frame for a first series run. He was their number two babyface at the time and was with the company until December 2, 1984. We know with Hasbro, it took months if not almost a year to plan out assortments and we know that some of the LJN figures have 1984 copyright dates. Not saying anyone is right or wrong but he would have definitely fit into the time frame.
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Post by Nemo on May 21, 2013 8:19:36 GMT -5
Not trying to confirm or deny anything but Slaughter very easily fits the time frame for a first series run. He was their number two babyface at the time and was with the company until December 2, 1984. We know with Hasbro, it took months if not almost a year to plan out assortments and we know that some of the LJN figures have 1984 copyright dates. Not saying anyone is right or wrong but he would have definitely fit into the time frame. Not only that but, the other mold was for Snuka.
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Post by jason1980s on May 21, 2013 16:13:25 GMT -5
Here is a link which includes Slaughter's appearance with minor league ball team Frederick Keys: He has done these type of signings in the past so I wouldn't be surprised if there's other's he will do. Jerry Lawler does a lot of these as well. www.milb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20130312&content_id=42643930&fext=.jsp&vkey=pr_t493&sid=t493Only problem I would see with asking him about a toy is that he may keep kayfabe. He would probably go on about how the painted toy was all but set for being carded until it was pulled at the final hours due to contract issues. He sticks by the story of the bomb and death threats for the Los Angeles Coliseum to Sports Arena change at WrestleMania 7. In the latest WrestleMania DVD he says threats were against his wife at home which makes me think that...if someone knew enough to find his house and wife (most likely through his real name)that they would realize the Iraqi sympathizer was a gimmick.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 21:26:50 GMT -5
...i'm still convinced, and even more so now....i collect indy and always loved the temple of doom line.... www.EBAY LINK NOT ALLOWED/itm/INDIANA-JONES-THE-TEMPLE-OF-DOOM-PAINTED-RESIN-PROTOTYPE-HARD-COPY-FIGURES-/350799328472?pt=US_Action_Figures&hash=item51ad44f4d8 there's no reason to fake these, as the line is not very popular, at least not anymore...and these appeared in the ljn catalogues, so there's plenty of photos and information on these figures... as far as her being a secretary, if that is true, it may prove the point you're tryin to refute...who usually stays in there position forever? the secretary...what happened to alot of the prototypes of the 80's? destroyed or trashed, definitely no one gave a crap...she was probably in the right place at the right time, there till the collapse of ljn, and just decided to take home some souvenirs from her many years of service...this is just speculation, no different from anyone elses story that has come before mine
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