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Post by Last Trent Barreta Fan on Apr 23, 2013 18:25:37 GMT -5
I honestly can't stand watching Hogan when I watch 80s WWE and 90s WCW. I personally think TNA would be better off without him and Brooke. Reading previous posts here it wouldn't surprise me if he forced someone to put Brooke in a position in the company.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 18:53:38 GMT -5
Hating on Hulk is a mainstream thing on the IWC. No he doesnt deserve it at all, one of pro wrestlings best faces. He helped bring popularity to wrestling. Without him wrestling would be a shell of what it is now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 19:07:31 GMT -5
Hating on Hulk is a mainstream thing on the IWC. No he doesnt deserve it at all, one of pro wrestlings best faces. He helped bring popularity to wrestling. Without him wrestling would be a shell of what it is now. get over yourself . People don't simply " hate" hogan because its the "cool" thing to do. People have legit reasons, like being selfish or piss poor booking . Or insinuating that what happened to grazaino was karma for something he had done versus his son being an idiot. |
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Post by marino13 on Apr 23, 2013 20:10:06 GMT -5
Hating on Hulk is a mainstream thing on the IWC. I've disliked Hogan before there was an internet, so nope that's not it. Try again. |
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Post by sean™ on Apr 23, 2013 20:16:23 GMT -5
I'm still pissed at him for sandbagging Undertaker TWICE at Judgment Day 2002. Which reminds me that Undertaker is 2-1 in Title Matches with Hogan.....dick.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 24, 2013 5:38:15 GMT -5
He deserves all he gets and more. Here is a post from another board that I made in response to someone who said that HHH is the biggest ego the biz has ever seen. It sums up my feelings on Hogan, who is the reason I stopped watching TNA in 2010.
Sorry, I've never bought the idea that Hogan had any part of building Vince's empire. It was the reverse. Vince McMahon took a balding, uncoordinated bodybuilder, hid his flaws, gave him logos/colors/catchphrases and made an entire generation of kids believe they were seeing something special. Hogan was Vince's greatest construct.
Triple H last held a world title at the age of 39. Since then, he's accepted a reduced role in the company as it tries to reinvent itself. While it's fair to say he's won some matches in recent years which he shouldn't have, he hasn't been the company centerpiece in a long time.
Let's contrast that to Hogan at the same age. He returned to the WWF in '93 (age 39), where he squashed the WWF champion in less than a minute at WM 9. He then went to Japan where he insulted the WWF belt (calling it "a toy") and proceeded to beat the IWGP champion.
At the age of 40, Hogan headed to WCW where he won the world title in his FIRST MATCH and jobbed Ric Flair, the then-company centerpiece, into retirement after a few months. He held the belt for over a year and only lost it by a DQ stip. He also pushed aside young talents like Steve Austin to push his over-the-hill friends like Duggan, Honky Tonk, and the Nasty Boys.
Hogan then won 4 more WCW titles after the age of 40 (not to mention the WWF title at 48), and was one of the key factors in killing WCW as he convinced Bischoff to keep bringing in high-priced talent with no ideas about what to do with them other than feed them to Hulk. Hogan only did something like 4 jobs in his entire 6 years with WCW.
He returned to the WWF where he continued his legacy of being about Hulk and only Hulk. He went on record say that Rock "passed the torch back to (him)" at Wrestlemania. He left the company because Vince "wouldn't treat him like the star he was". Evidently, one world title reign wasn't enough.
When Hulk returned the company at the age of 52, he refused to job for HBK, who was still a top performer on the full-time roster. A year later, Randy Orton, an up-and-coming main eventer, was fed to Hogan.
In short, I don't think any political posturing that HHH has done is anywhere close to Hogan. Hulk Hogan is, without a doubt, the biggest egomaniac and CANCER the wrestling business has ever seen or ever will see.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 24, 2013 13:49:41 GMT -5
All of his pre 2010 escapades aside, what has Hogan done for TNA that has justified his salary and time with the company? Is the TNA product better because of Hulk Hogan? I personally don't think so. I don't think the ratings support he's helped the product. In 2009, AJ Styles was the centerpiece of the show, Pope, Desmond Wolfe and Anderson were on their way to the top and Storm and Roode wouldn't have been far behind, we had a tag division with the British Invasion, Beer Money, The Machine Guns, Team 3D and LAX, Daniels and Joe were circling the World Title, and you still had plenty of names like Nash, Foley, Raven, Rhino, Steiner, Sting and Angle to help sell DVDs.
I personally think TNA spent an entire year and a half being terrible and they've spent every second since BFG 2011 trying to get back to where they were. I love the show now. Loved Roode's title reign, Aries' rise to the top, and guys like Kenny King and Joey Ryan, but a lot of that has to do with Bruce Prichard being promoted and Conway and Lagana as a writing team imo. They may be reusing WCW ideas but it's working imo.
I don't know how much power Hogan has in TNA or how much of the daily stuff he's been involved in lately, but I do think he was far more influential early on than he is now, which seems like a good thing. I know I would still watch TNA if Hulk Hogan was gone, and I can't imagine a lot of fans are watching because of Hogan, I'd be shocked to hear that honestly. TNA's product was good before Hogan got there and it'll be good when he leaves.
TNA did need a change from Russo, because he just over stayed his welcome or was burnt out I guess, so I'll give Hogan and Bischoff credit for that change, and for really peer pressuring Dixie into making those kind of changes, but we also have Brooke Hogan and Garrett Bischoff every week on the show. So I think Hogan has done his fair share of harm in TNA.
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Post by K5 on Apr 24, 2013 14:40:26 GMT -5
Hating on Hulk is a mainstream thing on the IWC. No he doesnt deserve it at all, one of pro wrestlings best faces. He helped bring popularity to wrestling. Without him wrestling would be a shell of what it is now. get over yourself . People don't simply " hate" hogan because its the "cool" thing to do. People have legit reasons, like being selfish or piss poor booking . Or insinuating that what happened to grazaino was karma for something he had done versus his son being an idiot. exactly. sad excuse for not agreeing with informed opinion. |
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Post by Thick Justice on Apr 26, 2013 1:51:11 GMT -5
I disliked Hulk ever since I bought his first 3 disc dvd set. I literally couldn't finish it. I was shocked at how boring and stale he was. EVEN NOT KNOWING HIS PERSONALITY!!!
The guy was awful in the ring and on the mic. He did the same cheesy lines over and over again. Warrior may have been crazy however he atleast had energy and put on a fast paced match. Macho Man and Steamboat both wrestle circles around him. Macho Man can cut a way better promo.
Hogan didn't create WWE. WWE created Hogan. He was a balding aging man who politiced his way to the top. Everytime a company smarted up he'd go elsewhere often because the other company got dumbed down.
He has hurt TNA more then helped. Ratings average lower then they did before he came. The company was growing quicker without him. I'd argue they spent a whole year just trying to fix his awful ideas.
They should have hired RVD, Jeff Hardy, Anderson, and pretty much stopped there from the wwe guys. Val Venis was an emberassment same as the nasty boys bubba love.
TNA was the best it ever was the month before he came. Its still recovering years later.
If they had half a brain instead of rading WWE's scraps they should have went to the independents. They could sign Chris Hero. Nope they sign Val Venis. They could sign El Generico. No they decide lets fire Jay Lethal. Hogan is like the box of stupid. He kills everything he gets control of or he leaves.
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Post by Brad on Apr 26, 2013 8:59:28 GMT -5
I disliked Hulk ever since I bought his first 3 disc dvd set. I literally couldn't finish it. I was shocked at how boring and stale he was. EVEN NOT KNOWING HIS PERSONALITY!!! The guy was awful in the ring and on the mic. He did the same cheesy lines over and over again. Warrior may have been crazy however he atleast had energy and put on a fast paced match. Macho Man and Steamboat both wrestle circles around him. Macho Man can cut a way better promo. Hogan didn't create WWE. WWE created Hogan. He was a balding aging man who politiced his way to the top. Everytime a company smarted up he'd go elsewhere often because the other company got dumbed down. He has hurt TNA more then helped. Ratings average lower then they did before he came. The company was growing quicker without him. I'd argue they spent a whole year just trying to fix his awful ideas. They should have hired RVD, Jeff Hardy, Anderson, and pretty much stopped there from the wwe guys. Val Venis was an emberassment same as the nasty boys bubba love. TNA was the best it ever was the month before he came. Its still recovering years later. If they had half a brain instead of rading WWE's scraps they should have went to the independents. They could sign Chris Hero. Nope they sign Val Venis. They could sign El Generico. No they decide lets fire Jay Lethal. Hogan is like the box of stupid. He kills everything he gets control of or he leaves. Jay Lethal really needs to be re-hired |
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Apr 26, 2013 15:23:17 GMT -5
I have a feeling Jay Lethal will be back with TNA as soon as his ROH contract is finished up, TNA was interested in bringing him back in earlier this year.
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Post by JuiceWinslow on Apr 27, 2013 2:45:03 GMT -5
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Post by Scotty on Apr 27, 2013 7:51:37 GMT -5
I disliked Hulk ever since I bought his first 3 disc dvd set. I literally couldn't finish it. I was shocked at how boring and stale he was. EVEN NOT KNOWING HIS PERSONALITY!!! The guy was awful in the ring and on the mic. He did the same cheesy lines over and over again. Warrior may have been crazy however he atleast had energy and put on a fast paced match. Macho Man and Steamboat both wrestle circles around him. Macho Man can cut a way better promo. Hogan didn't create WWE. WWE created Hogan. He was a balding aging man who politiced his way to the top. Everytime a company smarted up he'd go elsewhere often because the other company got dumbed down. He has hurt TNA more then helped. Ratings average lower then they did before he came. The company was growing quicker without him. I'd argue they spent a whole year just trying to fix his awful ideas. They should have hired RVD, Jeff Hardy, Anderson, and pretty much stopped there from the wwe guys. Val Venis was an emberassment same as the nasty boys bubba love. TNA was the best it ever was the month before he came. Its still recovering years later. If they had half a brain instead of rading WWE's scraps they should have went to the independents. They could sign Chris Hero. Nope they sign Val Venis. They could sign El Generico. No they decide lets fire Jay Lethal. Hogan is like the box of stupid. He kills everything he gets control of or he leaves. They wanted to sign him but since WWE was interested as well he went with them. |
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Post by "Living Legend" Duttanized on Apr 27, 2013 15:59:35 GMT -5
I disliked Hulk ever since I bought his first 3 disc dvd set. I literally couldn't finish it. I was shocked at how boring and stale he was. EVEN NOT KNOWING HIS PERSONALITY!!! The guy was awful in the ring and on the mic. He did the same cheesy lines over and over again. Warrior may have been crazy however he atleast had energy and put on a fast paced match. Macho Man and Steamboat both wrestle circles around him. Macho Man can cut a way better promo. Hogan didn't create WWE. WWE created Hogan. He was a balding aging man who politiced his way to the top. Everytime a company smarted up he'd go elsewhere often because the other company got dumbed down. He has hurt TNA more then helped. Ratings average lower then they did before he came. The company was growing quicker without him. I'd argue they spent a whole year just trying to fix his awful ideas. They should have hired RVD, Jeff Hardy, Anderson, and pretty much stopped there from the wwe guys. Val Venis was an emberassment same as the nasty boys bubba love. TNA was the best it ever was the month before he came. Its still recovering years later. If they had half a brain instead of rading WWE's scraps they should have went to the independents. They could sign Chris Hero. Nope they sign Val Venis. They could sign El Generico. No they decide lets fire Jay Lethal. Hogan is like the box of stupid. He kills everything he gets control of or he leaves. They wanted to sign him but since WWE was interested as well he went with them. Doubt this is the case, TNA hasn't been interested in anyone really good on the indies in a while now. |
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Post by Infinite on Apr 27, 2013 16:05:37 GMT -5
Yes, yes he does.
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Post by specterkev on Apr 27, 2013 22:32:02 GMT -5
he deserves most of it. He's like a fortune telling of what John Cena or the Rock will become. He was the 'leader' or the popularization of wrestling, but he did have and still does have alot of flaws that a man in his position maybe shouldn't. for instance: - the man can't / couldn't wrestle. he had a really limited moveset for someone who got so much attention. - he's completely lost his charisma, he just gets cheap cheers for saying 'brother' or rallying up the crowd. - he's trying to make TNA into the WWE, which it will never be, and I don't want it to be. - he can't build superstars. he only knows how to make hulk hogan. I think the last one is the most important, but there's loads more issues a man in his position shouldn't have. I like the guy, and he brings in crowds, but he should just be used for appearances rather than actually doing anything. the man could wrestle.. it was just not his US stylle for some reason.. In japan he was pretty impressive... and Hulk sure got a boost by Vince BUT... it matters not..you have to have the guy with Charisma.. you can slap anything on somone and push him to the moon.. does not mean he'll get over... Hulk was catching fire with many back in AWA.. vince didn't just.. create hulk hogan.. he had a big hand in it but it's not like Vicne just grabbed some bum off of the streets and made him do this... you gotta have the IT factor... and Terry had it... sorry if you haters are so damned bitter you feel this way. sorry hulk isn't some daned Spot monkey... there are different wrestlign styles.. not just styles like CM punk, D Bry and such...I hate when fans of this genenration say anyone who does not wrestle like d bry, or punk, or aries and such "can;t wrestle" it;s just a style.. there are many such as big man, showman , all types........ you should be thanking hogan,.. hell we may not even have wrestling (least on TV) if not for hulkamania bringing pro wrestling to mainstream creating a houshold name. I'm so glad the smite exhalt system is gone.. I can finally speak my mind without fear of bitter fans smitting me, making people who don't know me think I'm some Mr.anderson.........anderson based of my negative karma just because i tihnk outside what most fans do.. and thesupport I give to TNA No I'm not a Mr. Anderson....anderson..... I just like to discuss thigns I like without being trashed for it... but I do admit that hogan has held people down and done crap like "oh you guys made low ratigns because i was not on that week" type of thing.. I can agree with you there... but he does not diserve alot of the crap her gets.. maybe some of it  so, sorry about my little rant. lol I'm not a bad guy  |
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Post by RBW on Apr 29, 2013 14:01:57 GMT -5
I agree with the original post, Hogan has done alot for Wrestling, to bring it mainstream and he should deserve the respect he's earnt. He's helping bring in new viewers by his name value alone, and adds that star value to TNA.
I do beleive he may not always make the right choices for what the fans want, but I was against him taking away the 6-sided ring at first, but Now I actually prefer it 4 sided.
I think he knows what he's doing and I actually like Brooke, she's a good actor, my freidns that are non wrestling fans bought into the bully ray / brooke breakup fued and if that can suck the average fan in then it's helping. Wrestling caters to different tastes, as long as the x-Division is given the right ammount of attention I think all aspects of TNA can improve, and Hogan being there makes it fun I think, still full of charisma
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2013 17:05:23 GMT -5
I'm new here, but man am I glad I'm, this board seems absolutely awesome and I love how a lot of people give answers that are more than 3 words oppose to other crap forums i've actually left because they don't take anything serious.
Anyway, honestly; I think people are just jealous Hogan is and will probably be always the biggest wrestling star ever; i mean, I've asked non-wrestling fans if they knew who John Cena, Hogan, Austin, Punk, etc. were. and I'm talking NON WRESLTING FANS.. Noone knew who Cena, Punk nor Austin were. Everyone pretty much knew who Hogan was, so that says a lot.
Hogan to me is entertaining. I love what he's done in TNA, of course some things I don't but lately hes done a lot of positive things.. if it weren't for him pushing it, TNA'd never go Live once every two weeks. TNA would never leave that god awful iMPACT! Zone.. they Let them in FREE! says a lot from "Fans" who never wanted to pay to see it live, and then they complained. screw them, They were ungrateful and now they're probably crying. Anyway, Hogan is awesome. I don't think he deserves all the crap he gets.. and it's mostly from ignorant, bitter people mad they never got over. Hogan is the Babe Ruth of Wrestling, love it or hate it.
There will NEVER Be Another Hogan..
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Post by K5 on Apr 30, 2013 19:50:37 GMT -5
I'm new here, but man am I glad I'm, this board seems absolutely awesome and I love how a lot of people give answers that are more than 3 words oppose to other crap forums i've actually left because they don't take anything serious. Anyway, honestly; I think people are just jealous Hogan is and will probably be always the biggest wrestling star ever; i mean, I've asked non-wrestling fans if they knew who John Cena, Hogan, Austin, Punk, etc. were. and I'm talking NON WRESLTING FANS.. Noone knew who Cena, Punk nor Austin were. Everyone pretty much knew who Hogan was, so that says a lot. Hogan to me is entertaining. I love what he's done in TNA, of course some things I don't but lately hes done a lot of positive things.. if it weren't for him pushing it, TNA'd never go Live once every two weeks. TNA would never leave that god awful iMPACT! Zone.. they Let them in FREE! says a lot from "Fans" who never wanted to pay to see it live, and then they complained. screw them, They were ungrateful and now they're probably crying. Anyway, Hogan is awesome. I don't think he deserves all the crap he gets.. and it's mostly from ignorant, bitter people mad they never got over. Hogan is the Babe Ruth of Wrestling, love it or hate it. There will NEVER Be Another Hogan.. i bet those same people know who the rock is. but is it for his wrestling or crappy hollywood involvement? same goes for old hukster |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 30, 2013 22:49:01 GMT -5
Hating on Hulk is a mainstream thing on the IWC. No he doesnt deserve it at all, one of pro wrestlings best faces. He helped bring popularity to wrestling. Without him wrestling would be a shell of what it is now.That statement is true of Vince Jr., not Hogan. Had Terry Bollea never found the WWF/E umbrella, he would be a trivia question as in "Who was that big guy who played Thunderlips in Rocky 3?" Vince's vision put pro wrestling in the international spotlight. |
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