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Post by Tom Baker's Scarf on Jun 27, 2017 22:24:48 GMT -5
Right, so am I the only one who thinks Missy kills The Master to force that regeneration? =. Why didn't I think of that?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2017 7:33:25 GMT -5
Right, so am I the only one who thinks Missy kills The Master to force that regeneration? =. Why didn't I think of that? It's the general consensus on Gallifrey Base too. I fully expect to see the beginning of Missy's regeneration too.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jun 28, 2017 19:53:13 GMT -5
Why didn't I think of that? It's the general consensus on Gallifrey Base too. I fully expect to see the beginning of Missy's regeneration too. Maybe Missy kills The Master to protect The Doctor, and a Cybermen or Nardole gets Missy, regeneration happens but we don't see the new Master till they're ready to recast at some point.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 3:25:55 GMT -5
It's the general consensus on Gallifrey Base too. I fully expect to see the beginning of Missy's regeneration too. Maybe Missy kills The Master to protect The Doctor, and a Cybermen or Nardole gets Missy, regeneration happens but we don't see the new Master till they're ready to recast at some point. Yeah, that's probably the best way of doing it, I think.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Jun 29, 2017 7:31:42 GMT -5
Been a long time since I've used this forum to talk about Doctor Who. It'll be nice to once again share my opinions with a different forum for a change (Doctor Who Online is my usual forum).
To me, Series 10 has just been incredibly mediocre. It started off strong with 'The Pilot'. But since the opener, it just continued to decline, especially with the Monk trilogy. I was really not a fan of that. Thankfully none of the episodes have been bad, but at the same time, they've not been especially good either. I expect my opinion to change slightly on rewatch, but I've not been inclined to rewatch any episodes yet, apart from 'The Pilot'.
That all changed with Saturday's ep. I've been looking forward to the return of the original 'Tenth Planet' Cybermen and John Simm's Master all series long. Ever since they were officially announced, they've been the biggest things I've been looking forward to. I never honestly thought they'd bring them back. And now not only have they brought them back, they're putting them alongside my personal two favourite Cybermen designs! And wow! Episode 11 was really spectacular! Gripping from start to finish, packed with tons of suspense. Due to the suspense being what really made this episode work, I had my doubts that the episode would hold up on rewatch. I was happily proved wrong. It is just as fantastic watching it once again. I can't say enough what a pleasure it is to have a truly spectacular episode in a series of mediocrity.
I must also take time to rave about Murray Gold's work in this episode. To be honest, I've found his work lacking this year, in comparison to previous years. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any pieces after 'The Pilot' that were memorable. However, there were a number of memorable pieces in this episode alone. I can't wait to hear what he has in store for this week.
Even though on the initial broadcast watch I didn't catch on that Razor was Simm's Master in disguise until he hung back with Missy, knowing that now, I could totally hear Simm's voice beneath the accent all the way throughout. Just shows how well he pulled it off, that I didn't catch on the first time.
I did like the time dilation plot. Would have been nice to see a Red Dwarf reference or two chucked in.
There's one negative thing I have with this episode though. I just don't like it when a location is written as taking place on a spaceship, yet on-screen looks like the outside world on a planet. I don't know about anyone else, but I just can't ever buy that. I just think the inside of a spaceship should look like the inside of a spaceship, and not like a street in Cardiff. If they want to use a location that resembles the outside world, then it should be set on a planet.
So yes, I am really looking forward to Episode 12 this week. Unless Moffat finds a way to screw it up, this could be the best series finale since Series 2!
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Post by Tom Baker's Scarf on Jun 29, 2017 15:01:20 GMT -5
So yes, I am really looking forward to Episode 12 this week. Unless Moffat finds a way to screw it up, this could be the best series finale since Series 2! I feel like I am a little more forgiving than you since I've enjoyed this season so far but my issue with Moffat's two parters tends to be that he's great with build and less satisfying with the conclusion. That's how I feel about "Dark Water" and "Heaven Sent" and their follow-ups. Both were incredible at setting up for the finale but then he likes to jam so much into the second part that it just feels rushed and disjointed. Moffat is best when he isn't rushing. Other examples are "Listen" and "Blink." They are excellent because they didn't feel rushed but "Time of the Doctor" was a huge mess because he tried wrap up The Eleventh Doctor's story so quickly. He's got excellent ideas but doesn't let them breathe. Of course, the usual runtime of an episode of New Who does constrain the show a bit so it's not all his fault. I just hope his last season finale surprises me. I know I am going to enjoy it anyway. I liked "Hell Bent" despite a lot of the negativity I've seen amongst fans. I'm not without my own criticisms of it as well. Hell, I even enjoy some of his more saccharine Christmas specials that people tend to hate. EDIT: I'm a total fanboy so I generally enjoy even the worst of the series but I try to be as objective as I can despite that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2017 15:24:30 GMT -5
There's a nice preview of the episode in the new DWM that came out today, also a fantastic interview with John Simm about his return.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Jun 29, 2017 16:17:41 GMT -5
So yes, I am really looking forward to Episode 12 this week. Unless Moffat finds a way to screw it up, this could be the best series finale since Series 2! My issue with Moffat's two parters tends to be that he's great with build and less satisfying with the conclusion. That's how I feel about "Dark Water" and "Heaven Sent" and their follow-ups. Both were incredible at setting up for the finale but then he likes to jam so much into the second part that it just feels rushed and disjointed. Moffat is best when he isn't rushing. Other examples are "Listen" and "Blink." They are excellent because they didn't feel rushed but "Time of the Doctor" was a huge mess because he tried wrap up The Eleventh Doctor's story so quickly. He's got excellent ideas but doesn't let them breathe. Of course, the usual runtime of an episode of New Who does constrain the show a bit so it's not all his fault. I just hope his last season finale surprises me. I know I am going to enjoy it anyway. I liked "Hell Bent" despite a lot of the negativity I've seen amongst fans. I'm not without my own criticisms of it as well. Hell, I even enjoy some of his more saccharine Christmas specials that people tend to hate. I definitely agree with your first statement. Both Series 8 and 9 had incredible first parts of the finale, but then a decline in quality in the second part. That's not to say that 'Death in Heaven' or 'Hell Bent' were bad. Quite the contrary, I feel they were both very good and underrated. But they still didn't live up to the first part. I rank 'Dark Water' and 'Heaven Sent' as 9/10, whereas I rank 'Death in Heaven' and 'Hell Bent' as 8/10. So for me, there is a decline in quality, but it's not too major. His only other two part finale (Pandorica) is the exception, where quality remained consistent. I really liked 'Blink'. Definite 9/10, one of the best. But I was never a big fan of 'Listen', and found it incredibly overrated. Decent, but I'm really not a fan of ambiguity. Honestly, I loved 'The Time of the Doctor', and think it's one of the best. On broadcast I didn't like it. However when I gave it a second chance, I loved it! Definitely a ton packed into it, in the best way. As consistent with the past two series, this Saturday's Episode 12 has an increased runtime to 60 minutes, so hopefully that extra 10-15 minutes gives it a little more time to breathe.
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Post by King Richius on Jun 29, 2017 16:33:28 GMT -5
I don't know the episode names but in the last season I really enjoyed the episode where the Doctor was trapped in the prison where he kept dying and getting reanimated until he finally escaped and was on Gallifrey. It was extremely well done. I had high hopes for the finale but it was disappointing. Instead of being a story about the Doctor and Gallifrey, it was about the Doctor sort of saving his companion. I mean, the episode wasn't bad but it wasn't what I wanted from a Gallifrey story.
I guess that's my favorite example of the second part being a letdown after the first part was very good.
As far as this season, the entire monks story never made sense to me and was a big letdown.
BUT, having said all that I still enjoy a bad Doctor Who episode more than a good episode of most SyFy shows - Twelve Monkeys being the lone exception. Loved the latest season and how they broadcast in one weekend so we could binge match it live.
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Post by Tom Baker's Scarf on Jun 29, 2017 19:04:24 GMT -5
I don't know the episode names but in the last season I really enjoyed the episode where the Doctor was trapped in the prison where he kept dying and getting reanimated until he finally escaped and was on Gallifrey. It was extremely well done. I had high hopes for the finale but it was disappointing. Instead of being a story about the Doctor and Gallifrey, it was about the Doctor sort of saving his companion. I mean, the episode wasn't bad but it wasn't what I wanted from a Gallifrey story. I guess that's my favorite example of the second part being a letdown after the first part was very good. As far as this season, the entire monks story never made sense to me and was a big letdown. BUT, having said all that I still enjoy a bad Doctor Who episode more than a good episode of most SyFy shows - Twelve Monkeys being the lone exception. Loved the latest season and how they broadcast in one weekend so we could binge match it live. You are thinking of "Heaven Sent" as the episode with the Doctor trapped in the prison. The Monks also suffered the same fate. I loved "Extremis" and liked "The Pyramid" but thought "The Lie of the Land" fell flat. It was a better "power of love over all" endings than say, that awful Cyberman one from a few years back but it still wasn't great. Moffat only wrote the first part as far as I know. I think he contributed to the other two though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 7:13:26 GMT -5
I'm on a roll!
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 1, 2017 9:54:12 GMT -5
Welp, tonight's the night to cry.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Jul 1, 2017 10:23:20 GMT -5
Welp, tonight's the night to cry. Yep, just 2 hours to go! Can't wait!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 10:49:54 GMT -5
I. WAITED. FOR. YOOOOOU.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 14:52:02 GMT -5
No spoilers, but bad guy™, you might want a paper bag to hyperventilate into.
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Post by bad guy™ on Jul 1, 2017 14:54:03 GMT -5
No spoilers, but bad guy™, you might want a paper bag to hyperventilate into.
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Post by King Richius on Jul 1, 2017 15:45:57 GMT -5
Welp, tonight's the night to cry. You got that right. The AXS NJPW live special is on opposite Doctor Who. I am so torn as to which to watch "live" tonight.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2017 15:54:48 GMT -5
Welp, tonight's the night to cry. You got that right. The AXS NJPW live special is on opposite Doctor Who. I am so torn as to which to watch "live" tonight. Watch Who. So many spoilers online, you'll kick yourself.
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Post by Tom Baker's Scarf on Jul 2, 2017 1:50:30 GMT -5
Welp, tonight's the night to cry. I did. Hard. I also had a few drinks before watching it. Not sure if that help or hurt.
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Post by pauloso on Jul 2, 2017 2:55:35 GMT -5
Have to admit that as a salty old git I found Malcolm Tucker's proper final episode a moving one.
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