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Post by bad guy™ on Dec 25, 2017 15:43:43 GMT -5
Welp...tonight I'm gonna cry.
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Post by King Richius on Dec 25, 2017 15:52:24 GMT -5
Welp...tonight I'm gonna cry. No crying for me. We get a new Doctor. I'm actually excited given the groundbreaking nature of the next Doctor and the fact that I wasn't the biggest fan of Capaldi to begin with. IMHO he was the weakest of the reboot doctors, although some of that could have been the writing. Well, it's either that or...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2017 17:46:48 GMT -5
OK episode, just glad Moffat has left the building. Sad to see Capaldi go, but excited to see what Jodie does with the role.
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Post by bad guy™ on Dec 26, 2017 0:53:04 GMT -5
So here is my summary. Stolen Earth/Journey's End is my favorite arc of all time. Heaven Sent is my favorite episode of all time...or it was until today. Twice Upon a Time was a masterful farewell. Moffatt did his best goodbye, and Capaldi delivered. When I was looking back at the older episodes of even the OG show, I was surprised there hadn't been a Christmas Armistice episode, or related to it given that day is significant to human history as a faith for the future type thing. I knew Pearl was there. Nardole and Clara were nice touches, especially with The Doctor getting his memory of Clara and Me back. The "villains" were an incredible idea. I would love to see another appearance of The Testimony at some point. Bradley was amazing as expected, as was Leftbridge coming back with a new face. Capaldi's goodbye was amazing. I loved Smith's write off, but Capaldi's seemed like it was as much him saying goodbye to the fans and the character as it was 12 saying goodbye to life. The record he left for 13 to hear with the TARDIS was incredibly well acted. I'm excited for Whittaker. She's getting the "blow the ship up for a fresh start" treatment as Smith did, so I'm geeked. This would have been just as fitting to end the series as it was just for the season, just have it in limbo if he regenerated or joined The Testimony and call it a show. Really great. I'm going to miss Capaldi. I hated season 8. Nine picked up after the introduction of Me, and ten was straight bangers from episode one to the regeneration. Question for King Richius and @nfw do either of you know what 13 said to cause the TARDIS to implode on itself again? I thought she said Berlin but what meaning does that have if that's what she said? That where she's gonna pick up her first companion of the group?
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Post by King Richius on Dec 26, 2017 2:16:07 GMT -5
Question for King Richius and @nfw do either of you know what 13 said to cause the TARDIS to implode on itself again? I thought she said Berlin but what meaning does that have if that's what she said? That where she's gonna pick up her first companion of the group? I couldn't quite make it out but it sounded like "berlin" preceded by something, maybe "oh, berlin" or maybe a single word like oberlin or auberline or something like that. I dunno. So many European languages it could be drawn from. I'm also not sure if it triggered the TARDIS implosion. There was some obvious damage from the regeneration plus the usual post-regeneration disorientation so the TARDIS could have already been a "sinking ship" so to speak and whatever she said was just a reaction to her location or a reaction to regenerating as a female. Time will tell. Which brings up the question: when will the next series with the new Doctor start?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2017 2:57:40 GMT -5
She said "Oh Brilliant" and I'm assuming the TARDIS reacted that way because the controls are isomorphic to the Doctor. As soon as he became a woman, the ship did not recognise her touch and so went haywire.
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Post by GBGav on Feb 6, 2018 20:00:56 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of this show, not because I dislike it but because I never got into it and was not that impressed with some special effects a long time ago. But tonight I watched my first full episode, the Day of the Doctors. My gf is a big fan of the show so she introduced me to it tonight and it was decent. I felt like I've missed out on a whole lot though. I quite like David Tennant so I'd be particularly interested in watching his shows but I'm basically looking for recommendations for other series. Are there any must watch episodes, or even ones to kind of avoid?
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Post by bad guy™ on Feb 6, 2018 21:08:05 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of this show, not because I dislike it but because I never got into it and was not that impressed with some special effects a long time ago. But tonight I watched my first full episode, the Day of the Doctors. My gf is a big fan of the show so she introduced me to it tonight and it was decent. I felt like I've missed out on a whole lot though. I quite like David Tennant so I'd be particularly interested in watching his shows but I'm basically looking for recommendations for other series. Are there any must watch episodes, or even ones to kind of avoid? My top ten: 1. Blink: Tennant Doctor. Widely regarded as the best New Who episode yet. Have yet to come across a fan of the show, or even spectators who aren't sure if they're interested like the show. 2. Stolen Earth/Journey's End: Tennant Doctor. 2 parter, have to have some knowledge of the series to have full appreciation for the arc, but it's my favorite arc to this day. 3. Heaven Sent/Hell Bent: Capaldi Doctor. 2 parter again, and Heaven Sent is by far and wide my favorite episode of the entire series bar none. It's 55 minutes of Capaldi carrying the show solo, something never done before, right into Hell Bent which answers the Gallifrey question posed since renewal, a continuation of Day of the Doctor of sorts. 4. The Unquiet Dead: Eccleston Doctor. Probably his best episode sans his regeneration. 5. The Parting of Ways: Eccleston Doctor. Day of the Doctor's spirit in the box will make in' sense, just saying. 6. Forest of the Dead: Tennant Doctor. This was our second introduction to Moffat, and in particular his keynote character River Song. Amazing villain in the show, and timeline wise, interesting story for River...but only the beginning. Wait for it... 6. A Good Man Goes to War: Smith Doctor. The Doctor has since regenerated, and is struggling to figure out why these vilains, The Silence, are coming after him. What their plan is. And, in reverse order, River Song's true identity is first introduced to the Doctor; two years after he met her. 7. Twice Upon a Time: Capaldi Doctor. 12's final episode...whole metric ton of easter eggs, but masterfully written. 8. End of Time: Tennant Doctor. 10's final episode. If you've followed along so far, and watched the Eccleston and Tennant episodes I mentioned, you'll get why this was such a big deal. 9. Utopia: Tennant Doctor. The Doctor travels to the very, very end of the universe, and comes across an eccentric scientist named Yana. Not everything is as it seems, however... 10. The Pandorica Opens: Smith Doctor. Just...trust me on this one. (Honorable Mentions, Vampires of Venice, Angels Take Manhattan, Last of the Time Lords and Wedding of River Song). Episodes to avoid: 1. The Idiot's Lantern: Tennant Doctor. TV absorbing machine created in time for the Queen's coronation. Ehhh.... 2. Curse of the Black Spot: Smith Doctor. One of the biggest throwaway episodes I've seen in a TV series. 3. Long Game: Eccleston Doctor. Ok, so you HAVE to watch this one for story continuity but lordy this was bad. 4. Flatline: Capaldi Doctor. Interesting villain, great I AM THE DOCTOR speech, and I adore Clara but so much in such a little time frame...it didn't work. 5. Love & Monsters: Tennant Doctor. Don't watch this. Even if you go from episode one, Rose, to Twice Upon a Time...do NOT WATCH THIS EPISODE. Save yourself...unless you like ing with your mental health in a negative way and scarring yourself.
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Post by GBGav on Feb 6, 2018 21:26:11 GMT -5
I really appreciate the thought put into your reply bad guy™ . I'll be sure to watch out for those episodes in future. When the new series starts I'll be tuning in from the beginning, mainly to keep up with it so I know what's going on. And for Bradley Walsh as the assistant. I know him from British day TV and he's great.
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Post by bad guy™ on Feb 6, 2018 22:15:21 GMT -5
I really appreciate the thought put into your reply bad guy™ . I'll be sure to watch out for those episodes in future. When the new series starts I'll be tuning in from the beginning, mainly to keep up with it so I know what's going on. And for Bradley Walsh as the assistant. I know him from British day TV and he's great. Yeah the nice thing about starting on a new Doctor is that it's a clean slate. Little references and tidbits will be lost on you if you don't watch the older episodes, especially regarding the previous companions and villains. But this is the best time to peruse the best episodes while you wait and get ahead of the game for 13's start in the fall.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 7:29:43 GMT -5
I've never been a fan of this show, not because I dislike it but because I never got into it and was not that impressed with some special effects a long time ago. But tonight I watched my first full episode, the Day of the Doctors. My gf is a big fan of the show so she introduced me to it tonight and it was decent. I felt like I've missed out on a whole lot though. I quite like David Tennant so I'd be particularly interested in watching his shows but I'm basically looking for recommendations for other series. Are there any must watch episodes, or even ones to kind of avoid? Must-watches for each Doctor: Hartnell (1963-66)An Unearthly Child (Ep. 1 only) The Daleks The Keys of Marinus The Dalek Invasion of Earth The Tenth Planet Troughton (1966-69)The Power of the Daleks The Moonbase The Ice Warriors The Enemy of the World The Web of Fear The Invasion The War Games Pertwee (1970-74)Inferno The Dæmons The Curse of Peladon The Sea Devils The Three Doctors Planet of the Daleks The Green Death Planet of the Spiders Tom Baker (1974-81)The Ark in Space Genesis of the Daleks Pyramids of Mars The Brain of Morbius The Deadly Assassin The Robots of Death The Talons of Weng-Chiang Horror of Fang Rock City of Death Nightmare of Eden Shada Davison (1981-84)Earthshock The Five Doctors The Caves of Androzani Colin Baker (1984-86)Vengeance on Varos Revelation of the Daleks The Trial of a Timelord McCoy: (1987-89)Dragonfire Remembrance of the Daleks The Curse of Fenric Survival I'm skipping McGann because the Movie is AWFUL. It's a shame because McGann's a great Doctor. Eccleston (2005)The End of the World The Unquiet Dead The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances Bad Wolf/The Parting of the Ways Tennant (2005-10)Army of Ghosts/Doomsday The Shakespeare Code Human Nature/The Family of Blood Utopia/The Sound of Drums/The End of Time Voyage of the Damned The Fires of Pompeii The Unicorn and the Wasp Midnight Turn Left The Stolen Earth/Journey's End The Waters of Mars The End of Time Smith (2010-13)The Eleventh Hour Victory of the Daleks The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon The Name of the Doctor The Day of the Doctor The Time of the Doctor Capaldi (2013-17)Time Heist Mummy on the Orient Express Dark Water/Death in Heaven The Zygon Invasion/The Zygon Inversion Hell Bent Thin Ice Knock Knock Oxygen World Enough and Time/The Doctor Falls Those are the MUST SEE ones in my opinion. Now, one's to AVOID: Hartnell (1963-66)An Unearthly Child (Eps. 2-4) Planet of Giants The Web Planet Troughton: (1966-69)The Dominators The Krotons Pertwee (1970-74)Spearhead from Space Colony in Space Day of the Daleks The Time Monster Tom Baker (1974-81)Robot The Android Invasion The Masque of Mandragora The Face of Evil The Sun Makers Underworld The Horns of Nimon State of Decay Warriors Gate Davison (1981-84)Castrovalva Arc of Infinity Terminus Enlightenment Frontios Colin Baker (1984-86)The Mark of the Rani The Two Doctors McCoy (1987-89)Time and the Rani Paradise Towers Delta and the Bannermen Silver Nemesis Ghost Light McGann (1996)The Movie (Dear God, do NOT watch this - it is beyond crap) Eccleston (2005)Dalek. Tennant (2005-10)The Christmas Invasion Tooth and Claw Fear Her The Runaway Bride 42 Smith (2010-13)The Vampires of Venice The Hungry Earth/Cold Blood The Lodger A Christmas Carol The Rebel Flesh/The Almost People Let's Kill Hitler Closing Time The Doctor, The Widow and The Wardrobe (Out of 54 years and 840 episodes - this is absolutely the WORST episode ever made) Nightmare in Silver Capaldi (2013-17)Deep Breath Kill the Moon Last Christmas Sleep No More Heaven Sent The Pilot Hope this helps! Anything not mentioned in either list is a good watch, but not must-see.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Feb 7, 2018 8:53:52 GMT -5
I'm basically looking for recommendations for other series. Are there any must watch episodes, or even ones to kind of avoid? Honestly, I'd strongly recommend just watching New Who from Series 1 and watching every episode. After all, opinion is subjective. If you avoid certain episodes because someone told you to, you may well be missing out on episodes that you would have otherwise really enjoyed. For example, there are multiple episodes listed in this thread as "ones to avoid", despite being regarded by the majority of fandom as the very best. There are certain episodes regarded by the majority as being the worst ('Love and Monsters', 'the Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe', 'Sleep No More'), but even they are worth watching at least once just so you can determine your opinion on them. And if that's not enough, watching them just to see how rubbish they are by comparison to other episodes is comedy in itself. And after that if you feel you love the show, you can go and watch Classic Who.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 9:15:08 GMT -5
I'm basically looking for recommendations for other series. Are there any must watch episodes, or even ones to kind of avoid? Honestly, I'd strongly recommend just watching New Who from Series 1 and watching every episode. After all, opinion is subjective. If you avoid certain episodes because someone told you to, you may well be missing out on episodes that you would have otherwise really enjoyed. For example, there are multiple episodes listed in this thread as "ones to avoid", despite being regarded by the majority of fandom as the very best. There are certain episodes regarded by the majority as being the worst ('Love and Monsters', 'the Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe', 'Sleep No More'), but even they are worth watching at least once just so you can determine your opinion on them. And if that's not enough, watching them just to see how rubbish they are by comparison to other episodes is comedy in itself. And after that if you feel you love the show, you can go and watch Classic Who. Not sure there was any need for that dig. He asked for a list, and I provided one - I'm not sure why that's a problem?
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Post by ahunter8056 on Feb 7, 2018 12:04:33 GMT -5
Honestly, I'd strongly recommend just watching New Who from Series 1 and watching every episode. After all, opinion is subjective. If you avoid certain episodes because someone told you to, you may well be missing out on episodes that you would have otherwise really enjoyed. For example, there are multiple episodes listed in this thread as "ones to avoid", despite being regarded by the majority of fandom as the very best. There are certain episodes regarded by the majority as being the worst ('Love and Monsters', 'the Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe', 'Sleep No More'), but even they are worth watching at least once just so you can determine your opinion on them. And if that's not enough, watching them just to see how rubbish they are by comparison to other episodes is comedy in itself. And after that if you feel you love the show, you can go and watch Classic Who. Not sure there was any need for that dig. He asked for a list, and I provided one - I'm not sure why that's a problem? It wasn't a dig. You're entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to share my opinion that a new viewer should form their own opinions first before being influenced by the opinions of others. Otherwise, as I already stated, a new viewer might skip episodes that they would have otherwise enjoyed. I did not specifically name you, so I'm not sure why you misinterpreted my post so personally.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 12:46:48 GMT -5
Not sure there was any need for that dig. He asked for a list, and I provided one - I'm not sure why that's a problem? It wasn't a dig. You're entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to share my opinion that a new viewer should form their own opinions first before being influenced by the opinions of others. Otherwise, as I already stated, a new viewer might skip episodes that they would have otherwise enjoyed. I did not specifically name you, so I'm not sure why you misinterpreted my post so personally.No, you didn't name me - but how else was I meant to interpret this? It seems pretty clear cut that was a reference to my list.
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Post by bad guy™ on Feb 7, 2018 12:47:53 GMT -5
Knock it off y'all.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Feb 7, 2018 13:19:16 GMT -5
It wasn't a dig. You're entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to share my opinion that a new viewer should form their own opinions first before being influenced by the opinions of others. Otherwise, as I already stated, a new viewer might skip episodes that they would have otherwise enjoyed. I did not specifically name you, so I'm not sure why you misinterpreted my post so personally.No, you didn't name me - but how else was I meant to interpret this? It seems pretty clear cut that was a reference to my list. Right, I'm just going to make this one post for clarity, rather than continuing this unnecessary argument. It was never my intention in my original post to offend, mock, or belittle any poster in this thread. Please also bear in mind that you weren't the only one in this thread to have made a list, so I could have been talking about either list. But either way, my post was absolutely not intended to insult either list, but instead merely to suggest an alternative to depending upon other peoples' lists. My post was meant to present a much more balanced view of impartiality. I think this is all just a simple misunderstanding, and I think it's worth leaving at that. Have a nice day.
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Post by King Richius on Feb 7, 2018 13:38:59 GMT -5
I'll warn ya up front that I don't remember episode names. I gave up on that sort of thing after trying to keep track of seven seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Maybe others can help me out in that department.
As far as recommendations go, I think Tennant's "Bad Wolf" season and Smith's entire run with Amy Pond are great places for a new viewer to start.
For individual episodes, my personal favorites are: Tennant's final episode (with the Master and the guy who used to be James Bond), "Don't Blink", and the last Amy Pond/Rory episode (The State of Liberty is a Weeping Angel? Genius!).
I think Eccleston's lone season is underrated but there is one episode in particular that ends with him saying "And nobody died" that stands out, particularly in light of what we find out later about the Time Wars and Hurt's war Doctor.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 14:05:01 GMT -5
No, you didn't name me - but how else was I meant to interpret this? It seems pretty clear cut that was a reference to my list. Right, I'm just going to make this one post for clarity, rather than continuing this unnecessary argument. It was never my intention in my original post to offend, mock, or belittle any poster in this thread. Please also bear in mind that you weren't the only one in this thread to have made a list, so I could have been talking about either list. But either way, my post was absolutely not intended to insult either list, but instead merely to suggest an alternative to depending upon other peoples' lists. My post was meant to present a much more balanced view of impartiality. I think this is all just a simple misunderstanding, and I think it's worth leaving at that. Have a nice day. Then I apologise for flying off the handle, I'm not using this as an excuse, but I'm suffering with depression at the moment and keep taking things the wrong way. It's not your fault, it's mine - if we could move on, that'd be great.
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Post by GBGav on Feb 7, 2018 14:14:34 GMT -5
Just want to thank everyone for their input so far. I completely understand that some people might think an episode is bad, while others may love it. I'm the same way with movies. I've loved poorly received ones but also hated award winning ones. I wasn't looking to stir up any negativity by looking at ones to avoid. It was more of a "This show has been around for decades and I'm not likely to ever go back and catch them all, so maybe there are some that are not important?"
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