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Post by TheXtremisT on May 30, 2013 5:48:33 GMT -5
People who 'say' they're "straight-edge" just because they don't do drugs or drink alcohol. And most of them do it just because they can get the tag cos it sounds cool and it's "what CM Punk does". It's not what he does it's who he is. You aren't just straight-edge if you don't do drugs, it's much deeper than that.
Also all those kids who have "SWAG" or "YOLO" in their profiles/clan tags...
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Post by CodebreakerDX on May 30, 2013 6:53:29 GMT -5
As a brony and a Sonic fan i shouldn't be one to talk about bad fanbases, but i particularly dislike the Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts fanbases. many of them shoved the games down my throat extremely hard and ruined pretty much both series' for me. aside from Final Fantasy VII. which i enjoyed before i met any member of either fanbase.
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Post by Daniel Arshad on May 31, 2013 3:56:41 GMT -5
This will be VERY unpopular with some on these boards. Hbk Fans. The guy was a straight up jobber in the 80's when wrestling was hot and huge. We had guys like Demolition, Road Warriors, Powers of Pain, Macho Man, Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, all guys at the top of the business all badasses. Then they took one half of the Rockers, cool gimick btw, and turned him into a male stripper/escort. We went from giant tough guys who talked about kicking teeth in and inflicting pain, to hbk. A clown who's theme said he was sexy, and he was a male toy, and who would prance around as girly/gay as possible. Then he got a push, and then an even bigger push. And he was fortunante enough that the major stars all left the company so he became a "top" name. Why? Idk. In various shoot interviews I've seen different wrestlers suggest that Shawn had some kind of intimate relationship with Vince and so this is why he had such a giant push. Hbk prancing around on television and being the Champ/top guy made me ashamed to admit I liked wrestling. As it is people usually say wrestling is fake. So as a kid you have to try and defend wrestling as being real, and then you turn on the T.V. and there is HBK taking a slap to the face and then dancing around on "dream street". Diehard HBK fans will argue that HBK is one of the best, but that's false. He may have known how to work but that doesnt mean you're a top guy. Tully Blanchard, Ted Dibiase, Terry Taylor, to name a few from HBKs earlier years, could work circles around HBK. And yet they were never top guys so obviously knowing how to work isnt all there is to it. And then HBK was the top guy during WWF's darkest years. They weren't making much money when HBK was on top, so he obviously wasnt selling many tickets while he was champion. To me HBK has the same skills, talents, and gimick as the following; Adrian Street Adrian Adonis circa WM3 Rip Rogers Billy and Chuck All pretty good workers, like HBK. All pushing the gay gimick, like HBK. Only the thing that seperates HBK from those other guys is Vince who, for some reason, loved HBK and pushed him to the top. It's been a nightmare having HBK around this long in wrestling. He's just a total Schmuck jobber that got incredibly lucky. Im glad he made something with his life but wow do I hate people who call him one of the best. This is my reply to the OP. Dumb asses like these.
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Post by ahunter8056 on May 31, 2013 4:45:11 GMT -5
This will be VERY unpopular with some on these boards. Hbk Fans. The guy was a straight up jobber in the 80's when wrestling was hot and huge. We had guys like Demolition, Road Warriors, Powers of Pain, Macho Man, Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, all guys at the top of the business all badasses. Then they took one half of the Rockers, cool gimick btw, and turned him into a male stripper/escort. We went from giant tough guys who talked about kicking teeth in and inflicting pain, to hbk. A clown who's theme said he was sexy, and he was a male toy, and who would prance around as girly/gay as possible. Then he got a push, and then an even bigger push. And he was fortunante enough that the major stars all left the company so he became a "top" name. Why? Idk. In various shoot interviews I've seen different wrestlers suggest that Shawn had some kind of intimate relationship with Vince and so this is why he had such a giant push. Hbk prancing around on television and being the Champ/top guy made me ashamed to admit I liked wrestling. As it is people usually say wrestling is fake. So as a kid you have to try and defend wrestling as being real, and then you turn on the T.V. and there is HBK taking a slap to the face and then dancing around on "dream street". Diehard HBK fans will argue that HBK is one of the best, but that's false. He may have known how to work but that doesnt mean you're a top guy. Tully Blanchard, Ted Dibiase, Terry Taylor, to name a few from HBKs earlier years, could work circles around HBK. And yet they were never top guys so obviously knowing how to work isnt all there is to it. And then HBK was the top guy during WWF's darkest years. They weren't making much money when HBK was on top, so he obviously wasnt selling many tickets while he was champion. To me HBK has the same skills, talents, and gimick as the following; Adrian Street Adrian Adonis circa WM3 Rip Rogers Billy and Chuck All pretty good workers, like HBK. All pushing the gay gimick, like HBK. Only the thing that seperates HBK from those other guys is Vince who, for some reason, loved HBK and pushed him to the top. It's been a nightmare having HBK around this long in wrestling. He's just a total Schmuck jobber that got incredibly lucky. Im glad he made something with his life but wow do I hate people who call him one of the best. This is my reply to the OP. Dumb asses like these. No wonder he's a truck driver. Come on now, that was uncalled for. He has the right to his own opinion, and yet you're insulting him personally just because he does not share your opinion.
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Post by Daniel Arshad on May 31, 2013 4:49:34 GMT -5
This is my reply to the OP. Dumb asses like these. No wonder he's a truck driver. Come on now, that was uncalled for. He has the right to his own opinion, and yet you're insulting him personally just because he does not share your opinion. Agreed, in hindsight. Edited my post accordingly. No personal offense meant, I'm sorry for getting carried away.
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Post by Halloween King on May 31, 2013 11:43:20 GMT -5
This will be VERY unpopular with some on these boards. Hbk Fans. The guy was a straight up jobber in the 80's when wrestling was hot and huge. We had guys like Demolition, Road Warriors, Powers of Pain, Macho Man, Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, all guys at the top of the business all badasses. Then they took one half of the Rockers, cool gimick btw, and turned him into a male stripper/escort. We went from giant tough guys who talked about kicking teeth in and inflicting pain, to hbk. A clown who's theme said he was sexy, and he was a male toy, and who would prance around as girly/gay as possible. Then he got a push, and then an even bigger push. And he was fortunante enough that the major stars all left the company so he became a "top" name. Why? Idk. In various shoot interviews I've seen different wrestlers suggest that Shawn had some kind of intimate relationship with Vince and so this is why he had such a giant push. Hbk prancing around on television and being the Champ/top guy made me ashamed to admit I liked wrestling. As it is people usually say wrestling is fake. So as a kid you have to try and defend wrestling as being real, and then you turn on the T.V. and there is HBK taking a slap to the face and then dancing around on "dream street". Diehard HBK fans will argue that HBK is one of the best, but that's false. He may have known how to work but that doesnt mean you're a top guy. Tully Blanchard, Ted Dibiase, Terry Taylor, to name a few from HBKs earlier years, could work circles around HBK. And yet they were never top guys so obviously knowing how to work isnt all there is to it. And then HBK was the top guy during WWF's darkest years. They weren't making much money when HBK was on top, so he obviously wasnt selling many tickets while he was champion. To me HBK has the same skills, talents, and gimick as the following; Adrian Street Adrian Adonis circa WM3 Rip Rogers Billy and Chuck All pretty good workers, like HBK. All pushing the gay gimick, like HBK. Only the thing that seperates HBK from those other guys is Vince who, for some reason, loved HBK and pushed him to the top. It's been a nightmare having HBK around this long in wrestling. He's just a total Schmuck jobber that got incredibly lucky. Im glad he made something with his life but wow do I hate people who call him one of the best. This is my reply to the OP. Dumb asses like these. I knew my comment would not be popular amoung young kids in here. It's how I feel, and how many wrestlers feel so where there is smoke there is fire.
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Post by Halloween King on May 31, 2013 12:03:58 GMT -5
People who 'say' they're "straight-edge" just because they don't do drugs or drink alcohol. And most of them do it just because they can get the tag cos it sounds cool and it's "what CM Punk does". It's not what he does it's who he is. You aren't just straight-edge if you don't do drugs, it's much deeper than that. Also all those kids who have "SWAG" or "YOLO" in their profiles/clan tags... I've never smoked, drank alcohol, done drugs, and never have I cared for the term straight edge. WHen I was in High School it was a hip term to throw around but I always thought it was just people's way to cry out for attention. And then you have clowns like cm punk who draw an x on there hand, big whoop! I say do what you want. If you want to drink, smoke, do drugs, that's on you. If I dont want to do any of those then that's on me. No need to make it a thing.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2013 13:49:32 GMT -5
Gotta be fans of the ICP.
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TheXtremisT
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Post by TheXtremisT on May 31, 2013 15:45:03 GMT -5
People who 'say' they're "straight-edge" just because they don't do drugs or drink alcohol. And most of them do it just because they can get the tag cos it sounds cool and it's "what CM Punk does". It's not what he does it's who he is. You aren't just straight-edge if you don't do drugs, it's much deeper than that. Also all those kids who have "SWAG" or "YOLO" in their profiles/clan tags... I've never smoked, drank alcohol, done drugs, and never have I cared for the term straight edge. WHen I was in High School it was a hip term to throw around but I always thought it was just people's way to cry out for attention. And then you have clowns like cm punk who draw an x on there hand, big whoop! I say do what you want. If you want to drink, smoke, do drugs, that's on you. If I dont want to do any of those then that's on me. No need to make it a thing. Well my reasoning is that people throw the term around like they know all about it, when they don't. Yeah you're right it's your choice, but to just one day decide you're 'straight-edge' without really knowing what it involve is another thing. That's what I'm talking about. Those who do it because they think they're like CM Punk because of it are delusional and will get laughed at.
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Post by Nivro™ on May 31, 2013 16:04:25 GMT -5
Zombie fans, Zombie War freaks, Zombie Apocalypse lovers.....however you want them to be labeled.....Its really really dumb. Im not talking about the people that are like "Oh Walking Dead is a cool show"...its a show, that's fine...Its the people that legit think that Zombies exist and there will be a zombie apocalypse and they're seriously preparing themselves for it. Clearly you were born with a birth defect in your brain if you think that dead bodies can come back to life and will eat your brains.
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Post by K5 on May 31, 2013 16:30:37 GMT -5
This will be VERY unpopular with some on these boards. Hbk Fans. The guy was a straight up jobber in the 80's when wrestling was hot and huge. We had guys like Demolition, Road Warriors, Powers of Pain, Macho Man, Hulk Hogan, Andre the Giant, all guys at the top of the business all badasses. Then they took one half of the Rockers, cool gimick btw, and turned him into a male stripper/escort. We went from giant tough guys who talked about kicking teeth in and inflicting pain, to hbk. A clown who's theme said he was sexy, and he was a male toy, and who would prance around as girly/gay as possible. Then he got a push, and then an even bigger push. And he was fortunante enough that the major stars all left the company so he became a "top" name. Why? Idk. In various shoot interviews I've seen different wrestlers suggest that Shawn had some kind of intimate relationship with Vince and so this is why he had such a giant push. You were supposed to hate Shawn Michaels for all of those reasons, no? There's your proof he's one of the best. I'm fine with you not being a fan, could not care less really, but to discount the millions of people who have chanted "HBK" over the past twenty years, and chalk his success up to him being buddy-buddy with the boss, is absolutely ridiculous. You say "knowing how to work" doesn't make you a star, and yes, you're absolutely right. Neither does a gimmick nor mic skills. It's the connection with the fans that makes someone a star, something HBK did better than 99.99% of any man or woman to step foot in a WWE/F ring. He may not have been able to connect with you, but the millions he did connect with prove you wrong- Shawn Michaels is one of the best there ever was. he's still a piece of crapfor all that he's pulled. as cornette put it, just because he saw god doesn't get him off the hook of the endless careers and lives he thoroughly ed for his enjoyment. i don't really get how anyone could be a fan of shawn michaels outside of his ring ability, i guess it's rather denial or lack of knowledge. his success is without a doubt largely on the part that he was 'buddy buddy' with vince. history supports this. i'm not doubting his abilities in the ring, i'm just not doubting his political abilities outside it either.
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Post by sean™ on May 31, 2013 16:37:55 GMT -5
Wrestling fans on figure forums. They suck.
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Post by Halloween King on Jun 1, 2013 0:48:06 GMT -5
You were supposed to hate Shawn Michaels for all of those reasons, no? There's your proof he's one of the best. I'm fine with you not being a fan, could not care less really, but to discount the millions of people who have chanted "HBK" over the past twenty years, and chalk his success up to him being buddy-buddy with the boss, is absolutely ridiculous. You say "knowing how to work" doesn't make you a star, and yes, you're absolutely right. Neither does a gimmick nor mic skills. It's the connection with the fans that makes someone a star, something HBK did better than 99.99% of any man or woman to step foot in a WWE/F ring. He may not have been able to connect with you, but the millions he did connect with prove you wrong- Shawn Michaels is one of the best there ever was. he's still a piece of crap for all that he's pulled. as cornette put it, just because he saw god doesn't get him off the hook of the endless careers and lives he thoroughly ed for his enjoyment. i don't really get how anyone could be a fan of shawn michaels outside of his ring ability, i guess it's rather denial or lack of knowledge. his success is without a doubt largely on the part that he was 'buddy buddy' with vince. history supports this. i'm not doubting his abilities in the ring, i'm just not doubting his political abilities outside it either. His abilitys were minimal. When I think of a great high flyer I think of Mystico or Rey Mysterio. Or back in the 80's/90's the Guerrero's were the best high flyers along with Pilman and various men from Japan. When I think of a power wrestler Hulk Hogan comes to mind. Or any other guy from the 80's but certainly not HBK. Mat wrestlers make me think of plenty of men but never HBK. Mic Skills, HBK falls short compared to the men before him and the men that would follow. So what great skills does HBK have exactly? Vader was a rough stiff big man. Vader had some good matches with Sting, Ric Flair, Ron Simmons, amoung other tops guys in wcw. But then you put Vader in wwf with HBK and instead of a good match we got lots of botched spots and HBK temper tantrums mid match. Thus showing us HBK couldnt work as good as the top guys in wcw and wasnt very professional. People bash Hulk Hogan all the time but Hulk worked with Zues who had no wrestling skills and yet those matches were fantastic. And never once did I see Hulk Hogan throw a temper tantrum mid match as I've seen HBK. But this isnt about Hulk Hogan. Hbk had average skills. But people think he was great simply because Vince wanted to shove him down everyones throat so badly.
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Post by K5 on Jun 1, 2013 9:30:32 GMT -5
on a performance level, hbk was fantastic. it's just like how he probably could've been a great stage actor or dancer, he simply was a fantastic entertainer who's body could display the emotion through the actions he did. i ing hate shawn michaels, but there is no way i'd dispute his abundant talent. just because he was a complete douche to vader doesn't mean he doesn't have any wrestling skills, in fact, if you were to educate yourself on that feud you'd find it was because hbk never wanted to work or put vader over at all that caused his lack of professionalism. is that an excuse? no. is it something you can blame on his ability to work in the ring? no. his work rate was superb, he had an innovative style, and had some really good matches. that much cannot be disputed, no matter how much you didn't enjoy his career. you're also the first person i've ever heard use the word 'fantastic' to describe hogan/zeus matches. on a side note, directly to you, you always use this lack of logic to make your points that i can't tell is intentional or not. in this case, it's using vader/hbk and comparing it to zeus/hogan, even though the scenarios are DRASTICALLY different. hogan BROUGHT IN zeus himself, wanting to feud with him, to put HOGAN over. it was all ice cream and cake for hogan in that feud. vader was this legitimate wrestler from the nwa, he was sensitive as , and hbk ran big man over him because of the amount of pull he had in the company. such different scenarios that you can't just compare them match to match and go 'but why does hbk's suck and not hogan's'? it's really silly.
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Post by Halloween King on Jun 2, 2013 2:19:00 GMT -5
on a performance level, hbk was fantastic. it's just like how he probably could've been a great stage actor or dancer, he simply was a fantastic entertainer who's body could display the emotion through the actions he did. i ing hate shawn michaels, but there is no way i'd dispute his abundant talent. just because he was a complete douche to vader doesn't mean he doesn't have any wrestling skills, in fact, if you were to educate yourself on that feud you'd find it was because hbk never wanted to work or put vader over at all that caused his lack of professionalism. is that an excuse? no. is it something you can blame on his ability to work in the ring? no. his work rate was superb, he had an innovative style, and had some really good matches. that much cannot be disputed, no matter how much you didn't enjoy his career. you're also the first person i've ever heard use the word 'fantastic' to describe hogan/zeus matches. on a side note, directly to you, you always use this lack of logic to make your points that i can't tell is intentional or not. in this case, it's using vader/hbk and comparing it to zeus/hogan, even though the scenarios are DRASTICALLY different. hogan BROUGHT IN zeus himself, wanting to feud with him, to put HOGAN over. it was all ice cream and cake for hogan in that feud. vader was this legitimate wrestler from the nwa, he was sensitive as , and hbk ran big man over him because of the amount of pull he had in the company. such different scenarios that you can't just compare them match to match and go 'but why does hbk's suck and not hogan's'? it's really silly. Explain to me how HBK was innovative? The gay male wrestler gimick had already been done by the time HBK took it. He certainly wasnt innovative in top rope moves, he wasnt a mat wrestler, not a power wrestler. What, according to you did he innovate? I compared the Hogan/Zues fued to the HBK/Vader fued to prove a point. Hogan had great matches with Zues, Zues was a man with no wrestling background. Hbk on the other hand had to work with a man who was a pro and yet HBK could not put a good match together with Vader to save his life. So even if Hogan had hand picked Zues he still picked a man with no wrestling ability and made it work. Lack of logic? No. I use logic, it's just we have different views of the world so my logic is not the same as yours as yours is not the same as mine. Per your logic Hbk is a great wrestler. Per my logic, which is fact, HBK's wrestling ability struggled to fill the manhattan center for a wrestling show. Per your logic HBK is a great entertainer, per my logic HBK is as annoying as having to sit next to a stinky garbage container all day long.... far from entertaining. Look at it from my point of view. I grew up watching WWF in the 80's when the Big man was king, as it should be. HBK was on the card back in those days as a jobber, his natural state. HBK was jobbing to men who were far superior to him in every way possible. But then enter the 90's. A mix of things happen and most if not all the men who wrestled for wwf left the company. And so now the job guy is the new main event? WTF happened? I mean Barry Horrowitz or Danny Davis or Mike Sharpe could have all been put in the position HBK was put into and it would have been the same.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 2:24:45 GMT -5
on a performance level, hbk was fantastic. it's just like how he probably could've been a great stage actor or dancer, he simply was a fantastic entertainer who's body could display the emotion through the actions he did. i ing hate shawn michaels, but there is no way i'd dispute his abundant talent. just because he was a complete douche to vader doesn't mean he doesn't have any wrestling skills, in fact, if you were to educate yourself on that feud you'd find it was because hbk never wanted to work or put vader over at all that caused his lack of professionalism. is that an excuse? no. is it something you can blame on his ability to work in the ring? no. his work rate was superb, he had an innovative style, and had some really good matches. that much cannot be disputed, no matter how much you didn't enjoy his career. you're also the first person i've ever heard use the word 'fantastic' to describe hogan/zeus matches. on a side note, directly to you, you always use this lack of logic to make your points that i can't tell is intentional or not. in this case, it's using vader/hbk and comparing it to zeus/hogan, even though the scenarios are DRASTICALLY different. hogan BROUGHT IN zeus himself, wanting to feud with him, to put HOGAN over. it was all ice cream and cake for hogan in that feud. vader was this legitimate wrestler from the nwa, he was sensitive as , and hbk ran big man over him because of the amount of pull he had in the company. such different scenarios that you can't just compare them match to match and go 'but why does hbk's suck and not hogan's'? it's really silly. Explain to me how HBK was innovative? The gay male wrestler gimick had already been done by the time HBK took it. He certainly wasnt innovative in top rope moves, he wasnt a mat wrestler, not a power wrestler. What, according to you did he innovate? I compared the Hogan/Zues fued to the HBK/Vader fued to prove a point. Hogan had great matches with Zues, Zues was a man with no wrestling background. Hbk on the other hand had to work with a man who was a pro and yet HBK could not put a good match together with Vader to save his life. So even if Hogan had hand picked Zues he still picked a man with no wrestling ability and made it work. Lack of logic? No. I use logic, it's just we have different views of the world so my logic is not the same as yours as yours is not the same as mine. Per your logic Hbk is a great wrestler. Per my logic, which is fact, HBK's wrestling ability struggled to fill the manhattan center for a wrestling show. Per your logic HBK is a great entertainer, per my logic HBK is as annoying as having to sit next to a stinky garbage container all day long.... far from entertaining. Look at it from my point of view. I grew up watching WWF in the 80's when the Big man was king, as it should be. HBK was on the card back in those days as a jobber, his natural state. HBK was jobbing to men who were far superior to him in every way possible. But then enter the 90's. A mix of things happen and most if not all the men who wrestled for wwf left the company. And so now the job guy is the new main event? WTF happened? I mean Barry Horrowitz or Danny Davis or Mike Sharpe could have all been put in the position HBK was put into and it would have been the same. both of you, take it to PM
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Post by K5 on Jun 2, 2013 16:49:07 GMT -5
both of you, take it to PM how about we leave running the site to, you know, the people running the site. milincoln, if that's how you feel on it no real use debating it. i feel that michael's talent is clear as day, but as you said, different logic i suppose.
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Post by Rontaro13 on Jun 2, 2013 17:16:30 GMT -5
People who say wrestling's fake and act like they know everything People who take COD seriously(It's just a damn game.) People who hate on wrestlers because it's "cool" People who instantly like wrestler's when they receive a big push
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Post by @.@ Hempsterdance @.@ on Jun 2, 2013 18:00:06 GMT -5
star trek fandom, Now im not talking about the guy who watches it and loves every series im talking about the huge fat people who let star trek take over their life. The ones that can quote every episode and is fluent in Klingon.
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Post by ahunter8056 on Jun 3, 2013 13:30:45 GMT -5
both of you, take it to PM how about we leave running the site to, you know, the people running the site. Except instead of telling them to take it to PM, the thread will just get closed.
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