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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 9, 2013 21:25:30 GMT -5
- Sean O'Haire - had all the tools to be a top heel to this day but was sadly punished for Roddy Piper's bad attitude and was soon let go. Huge potential.
- Muhammad Hassan - Like O'Haire he got the short end of the stick. He came in as an Arab-American character who had been stereotyped as a terrorist. The character wasn't that and in a unique twist we the fans were the bad guys for booing him because he was Arab. The the WWE went and screwed it up by making him a legit terrorist in his Undertaker feud and it was all over after that. He could have been one of the top faces of the WWE and was complexly screwed over by them.
- Shelton Benjamin - Granted he didn't have the desire to improve like other guys but the WWE basically stopped pushing him after his first IC Title reign ended. Could have had a short run on SD as a world champ to see how the crowd reacted to him. He was a natural face to me and his heel run sunked him IMO.
- MVP - Great charisma and in ring skills but was booked on a losing streak that lasted months and killed any credibility.
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Post by mrassbillygunn on Aug 9, 2013 22:12:06 GMT -5
I dont think he missed the boat with anyone to be honest. Vince is that great. If they were in the WWE and under Vinces watchful eye then they simply didnt have what it took. Theres plenty of names which we all think could have done better but truth be told i dont think any of them were capable if Vince didnt choose them.
Im shocked at some of the names being thrown out in this thread, half of them stunk the place out when they with WWE.
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Post by savage on Aug 9, 2013 23:22:02 GMT -5
Vince had nothing to do with Sean Ohaire. The guy was wreckless. He was always getting into trouble. Hes from my home town. He was arrested around that time for beating up a chick in the club and had a few other incidents. My friends brother shattered his face below his eye one night when he was doing his normal punk routine and caused him to lose some vision in the eye. I dont know him personally but we know a lot of the same people and from stories Ive heard, its no wonder Vince let him go so quick. Ill agree that he could have been big had he had his act together.
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Post by punksnotdead on Aug 9, 2013 23:45:55 GMT -5
Man, MVP and Sean O'Haire definitely come to mind. I thought O'Haire was ing awesome in WCW. He was huge and I loved that he did the seanton bomb. Just a cool, really "it" guy if you ask me. I think he would have been WCW World Champion at some point had things not ended the way they did. I'm not sure what Vince didn't like about him in WWE, other than he was a WCW guy. I thought his stuff with Piper was gold, and I don't really get how they couldn't find something substantial for him to do. MVP I just don't get at all. Guy had it all. He could walk, talk, got plenty of crowd reaction and he should be a former WWE Champion right now. He should have feuded with Cena and won the title at some point. Best heel in the company at one point if you ask me. Not only that, then he got over pretty well as a face too. Just a guy that could talk and work with anyone. If I could pick one guy to comeback and be thrown into the main event right now, it'd be MVP. Going to also say Raven. He was the most interesting character ECW and the alliance had to offer. He would have worked incredibly well as a heel going up against Austin, Rock, definitely Foley. I just see this as a huge fumble on Vince's part. However, Vince did have a love/hate relationship with Raven. VInce recognized his creative genius, but he also got pissed that Raven and Shane used to get smashed together all the time. So I always think Vince looked at Raven like his intellectually- disabled step child. Carlito was another guy I didn't really understand why they didn't just commit to honestly. He was given this big moment against Cena but they never really committed to him. Carlito really was just "cool," in like a Scott Hall kind of way. He's a guy I would love to see back as well. They really botched Scott Steiner too. I know he had drop foot, and I'm not sure how much Scott let them know that was going on, but he should have been a heel. Heaven forbid they make Triple H look inferior, at all, during that time period. Once upon a time, in a land far, far, away, Scott Steiner was the best heel in all of pro wrestling. Vince should have used that to his advantage. Another WCW guy they really ed up, DDP. Guy was a massive star in WCW. What the hell were they doing with him in WWE being a creepy stalker and then a creepy motivational speaker. Knock it off, let him do the everyman's wrestler/Dusty Rhodes gimmick and watch the fans continue to love him. Why the hell would you treat guys like Steiner and DDP as anything but top of the card guys. Blew my mind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 0:41:57 GMT -5
Since everyone hated my opinion before about Bogner and Jacobs....then another one won't matter! HAHA...
Not the past decade but I am going to pick Mantaur. A tag team with either Bigelow or Bundy in 1995 would have done wonders for him. Two unstoppable forces etc. Kinda like the Natural Disasters for the mid nineties. I liked his look AND gimmick.
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Post by HHH316 on Aug 10, 2013 0:52:54 GMT -5
Sean O Haire with his "I'm not telling you anything you didn't already know." Gimmick. Those videos gave me goose bumps.
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Post by King Richius on Aug 10, 2013 1:12:35 GMT -5
I always liked Snitsky and thought he could have been a much bigger star than he actually was. His baby punting promo remains one of my all-time favorite WWE moments.
The Hart Dynasty with Natalya as manager could have done great things in the tag team division.
Zack Ryder enjoyed a brief stint in the upper mid-card but he was red hot for a while and could have done so much more.
I also liked Bobby Lashley but I'm not sure if he left of his own wishes to pursue his MMA career.
I didn't particularly enjoy Carlito or MVP but both seemed fairly over and destined for much more than they actually achieved.
And then there are the guys who sabotaged their WWE careers: RVD and Jeff Hardy stand out for me as people the WWE was willing to push to the moon but they couldn't pass their wellness tests and/or didn't want to work a WWE schedule so they ended up in TNA. Also, John Morrison apparently did himself in over his relationship with Melina.
The WWE didn't miss the boat on Brock Lesnar but I wonder just how big a star he could have become had he not left for a failed NFL tryout and several years in the UFC. Sure, he is still a big attraction but I think he could have been mentioned in the same breath as Austin and the Rock if he had stayed in the WWE full-time for the past decade. And we might not have been stuck with so much super-Cena instead. Damn you Brock Lesnar!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 2:45:31 GMT -5
I dont think he missed the boat with anyone to be honest. Vince is that great. If they were in the WWE and under Vinces watchful eye then they simply didnt have what it took. Theres plenty of names which we all think could have done better but truth be told i dont think any of them were capable if Vince didnt choose them. Im shocked at some of the names being thrown out in this thread, half of them stunk the place out when they with WWE. except this doesnt apply to MVP or Hassan at all man......Vince DID choose them.then he f*cked up.Vinces "watchful eye" has needed corrective lenses for about 10 years or so IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 5:23:44 GMT -5
I dont think he missed the boat with anyone to be honest. Vince is that great. If they were in the WWE and under Vinces watchful eye then they simply didnt have what it took. Theres plenty of names which we all think could have done better but truth be told i dont think any of them were capable if Vince didnt choose them. Im shocked at some of the names being thrown out in this thread, half of them stunk the place out when they with WWE. except this doesnt apply to MVP or Hassan at all man......Vince DID choose them.then he f*cked up.Vinces "watchful eye" has needed corrective lenses for about 10 years or so IMO. Yep. Vince has dropped the ball plenty of times. Ryback and Tensai are both very modern cases of it. Tensai was so easily fixable by giving him Laurenaitis as a manager, it was literally perfect given their American to Japanese dominance background. Just like Yokozuna had Cornette as a heat magnet/mouthpiece. Or at least after seeing the cracker Tensai had with Sheamus on Raw and SD they could have put the two in a program for the WHC but no.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 5:23:55 GMT -5
John Morrison
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Post by CMPUNKISGOOD on Aug 10, 2013 7:36:32 GMT -5
Tyson Kidd Ted Jr. Billy Gunn MVP MNM Muhammad Hassan Justin Gabriel
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Post by CMPUNKISGOOD on Aug 10, 2013 7:37:08 GMT -5
Also Shelton Carlito JOMO
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 10, 2013 8:33:24 GMT -5
except this doesnt apply to MVP or Hassan at all man......Vince DID choose them.then he f*cked up.Vinces "watchful eye" has needed corrective lenses for about 10 years or so IMO. Yep. Vince has dropped the ball plenty of times. Ryback and Tensai are both very modern cases of it. Tensai was so easily fixable by giving him Laurenaitis as a manager, it was literally perfect given their American to Japanese dominance background. Just like Yokozuna had Cornette as a heat magnet/mouthpiece. Or at least after seeing the cracker Tensai had with Sheamus on Raw and SD they could have put the two in a program for the WHC but no. I'd much rather prefer that to the 5-month snoozefest between Sheamus and Del Rio.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 8:52:24 GMT -5
Yep. Vince has dropped the ball plenty of times. Ryback and Tensai are both very modern cases of it. Tensai was so easily fixable by giving him Laurenaitis as a manager, it was literally perfect given their American to Japanese dominance background. Just like Yokozuna had Cornette as a heat magnet/mouthpiece. Or at least after seeing the cracker Tensai had with Sheamus on Raw and SD they could have put the two in a program for the WHC but no. I'd much rather prefer that to the 5-month snoozefest between Sheamus and Del Rio. Ugh, Del Rio is by far the most boring "main eventer" the WWE currently has. I couldn't tell you a match that he's ever had that I've enjoyed. Last year Sheamus was putting on a lot of the best matches (with Bryan, Dolph, Tensai, Big Show and the F4 way) but he had three PPV matches with Del Rio and they were all stinkers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 12:27:56 GMT -5
I think a heel Alberto Del Rio is pretty bad, but I did enjoy that 4 month face run he had. I thought he wrestled better as a face, if that makes any sense??
Tensai you can't help but feel bad for. He and Test should have had a run with the Tag Belts in 2000, but they split them up, and he gets put into X-Factor and gets an IC Title reign. Only to hold it until Storm took it for the Invasion angle. My guess is cause they didn't want Kane to drop the IC Belt to Storm.
Then they turn him face and he goes with Scotty 2 Hotty. Which isn't bad, he was getting over as the Hip Hop Hippo and then they turn him heel and attack Scotty for no reason. Then his heel push doesn't happen until like 6 months later when he 'injures' Mysterio. So he gets a ppv match with Edge at Armageddon 2002 and then nothing again until Mania where he loses to Taker. They dropped the ball with him in 2003, big time!
Then he leaves, does great in Japan and comes back to this big build up and they flop it, big time. I don't see him being WWE Champion, but he could have had the US Belt and feuded for the WWE Title.
But then he gets turned into this dancing guy again - JUST like what happened with Scotty in 2001 - and is pretty much doing the same WWE cycle again that he originally did.
I just hope he's making good money, that's the only thing that could justify him being back in the WWE again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 12:54:58 GMT -5
I think a heel Alberto Del Rio is pretty bad, but I did enjoy that 4 month face run he had. I thought he wrestled better as a face, if that makes any sense?? Tensai you can't help but feel bad for. He and Test should have had a run with the Tag Belts in 2000, but they split them up, and he gets put into X-Factor and gets an IC Title reign. Only to hold it until Storm took it for the Invasion angle. My guess is cause they didn't want Kane to drop the IC Belt to Storm. Then they turn him face and he goes with Scotty 2 Hotty. Which isn't bad, he was getting over as the Hip Hop Hippo and then they turn him heel and attack Scotty for no reason. Then his heel push doesn't happen until like 6 months later when he 'injures' Mysterio. So he gets a ppv match with Edge at Armageddon 2002 and then nothing again until Mania where he loses to Taker. They dropped the ball with him in 2003, big time! Then he leaves, does great in Japan and comes back to this big build up and they flop it, big time. I don't see him being WWE Champion, but he could have had the US Belt and feuded for the WWE Title. But then he gets turned into this dancing guy again - JUST like what happened with Scotty in 2001 - and is pretty much doing the same WWE cycle again that he originally did. I just hope he's making good money, that's the only thing that could justify him being back in the WWE again. They could at least put the tag titles on he and Brodus...
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 10, 2013 13:30:59 GMT -5
I dont think he missed the boat with anyone to be honest. Vince is that great. If they were in the WWE and under Vinces watchful eye then they simply didnt have what it took. Theres plenty of names which we all think could have done better but truth be told i dont think any of them were capable if Vince didnt choose them. Im shocked at some of the names being thrown out in this thread, half of them stunk the place out when they with WWE. A guy like Muhammad Hassan was the most over heel in 2005 and had everything but was ruined by Vince and his writer's botched booking. MVP was super over in 07/08. He made one mistake and was put on a losing streak on TV that lasted months which ruined his credibility. Meanwhile a guy like Orton has had multiple drug violations and attitude problems yet continues his huge push to this day. Just saying its not all on the talents fault. Vince has screwed up himself. Hassan is a great example. A company guy who was the most over heel in the summer of 2005 and was ruined by botched booking that went against his character. Anyway I'd say the most recent example would be Ryback. This time a year ago he was an unstoppable monster. Then he was forced to fill in for an injured Cena when he wasn't ready for the main event and has been buried ever since. Yeah there were some "Goldberg" chants but the fans cared about him and he was over. Since last October he has been made to look like a joke in all of his feuds and why he jobbed to Mark Henry of all people I'll never know. I like Henry but the guy is past his prime while Ryback could have been the next top star; someone for older fans to cheer for over Cena. Never got into McIntyre like others have. Decent in the ring but nothing that screamed amazing to me (though his DDT looked sick). No charisma to me though. Didn't have the "IT" factor to be a main event guy.
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 10, 2013 13:38:46 GMT -5
I think a heel Alberto Del Rio is pretty bad, but I did enjoy that 4 month face run he had. I thought he wrestled better as a face, if that makes any sense?? Tensai you can't help but feel bad for. He and Test should have had a run with the Tag Belts in 2000, but they split them up, and he gets put into X-Factor and gets an IC Title reign. Only to hold it until Storm took it for the Invasion angle. My guess is cause they didn't want Kane to drop the IC Belt to Storm. Then they turn him face and he goes with Scotty 2 Hotty. Which isn't bad, he was getting over as the Hip Hop Hippo and then they turn him heel and attack Scotty for no reason. Then his heel push doesn't happen until like 6 months later when he 'injures' Mysterio. So he gets a ppv match with Edge at Armageddon 2002 and then nothing again until Mania where he loses to Taker. They dropped the ball with him in 2003, big time! Then he leaves, does great in Japan and comes back to this big build up and they flop it, big time. I don't see him being WWE Champion, but he could have had the US Belt and feuded for the WWE Title. But then he gets turned into this dancing guy again - JUST like what happened with Scotty in 2001 - and is pretty much doing the same WWE cycle again that he originally did. I just hope he's making good money, that's the only thing that could justify him being back in the WWE again. He just simply never got over as a serious heel. In 02/03 he was given a big push as "A-Train" but the fans only saw him as a midcarder. He was given feuds against top names like Mysterio, Edge, Benoit, Taker, and Cena and still couldn't get over. The WWE tried everything to get him over and guys like Angle, Lesnar, Big Show, etc... were more legit heels.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2013 13:59:06 GMT -5
I dont think he missed the boat with anyone to be honest. Vince is that great. If they were in the WWE and under Vinces watchful eye then they simply didnt have what it took. Theres plenty of names which we all think could have done better but truth be told i dont think any of them were capable if Vince didnt choose them. Im shocked at some of the names being thrown out in this thread, half of them stunk the place out when they with WWE. A guy like Muhammad Hassan was the most over heel in 2005 and had everything but was ruined by Vince and his writer's botched booking. MVP was super over in 07/08. He made one mistake and was put on a losing streak on TV that lasted months which ruined his credibility. Meanwhile a guy like Orton has had multiple drug violations and attitude problems yet continues his huge push to this day. Just saying its not all on the talents fault. Vince has screwed up himself. Hassan is a great example. A company guy who was the most over heel in the summer of 2005 and was ruined by botched booking that went against his character. Anyway I'd say the most recent example would be Ryback. This time a year ago he was an unstoppable monster. Then he was forced to fill in for an injured Cena when he wasn't ready for the main event and has been buried ever since. Yeah there were some "Goldberg" chants but the fans cared about him and he was over. Since last October he has been made to look like a joke in all of his feuds and why he jobbed to Mark Henry of all people I'll never know. I like Henry but the guy is past his prime while Ryback could have been the next top star; someone for older fans to cheer for over Cena. Never got into McIntyre like others have. Decent in the ring but nothing that screamed amazing to me (though his DDT looked sick). No charisma to me though. Didn't have the "IT" factor to be a main event guy. I think you're overestimating how over Ryback was.
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 10, 2013 14:04:12 GMT -5
A guy like Muhammad Hassan was the most over heel in 2005 and had everything but was ruined by Vince and his writer's botched booking. MVP was super over in 07/08. He made one mistake and was put on a losing streak on TV that lasted months which ruined his credibility. Meanwhile a guy like Orton has had multiple drug violations and attitude problems yet continues his huge push to this day. Just saying its not all on the talents fault. Vince has screwed up himself. Hassan is a great example. A company guy who was the most over heel in the summer of 2005 and was ruined by botched booking that went against his character. Anyway I'd say the most recent example would be Ryback. This time a year ago he was an unstoppable monster. Then he was forced to fill in for an injured Cena when he wasn't ready for the main event and has been buried ever since. Yeah there were some "Goldberg" chants but the fans cared about him and he was over. Since last October he has been made to look like a joke in all of his feuds and why he jobbed to Mark Henry of all people I'll never know. I like Henry but the guy is past his prime while Ryback could have been the next top star; someone for older fans to cheer for over Cena. Never got into McIntyre like others have. Decent in the ring but nothing that screamed amazing to me (though his DDT looked sick). No charisma to me though. Didn't have the "IT" factor to be a main event guy. I think you're overestimating how over Ryback was. Like I said he wasn't ready for the main event but was getting a reaction from the fans. The guy had potential and the fan base was growing but was ruined by his feuds w/ Punk, The Shield, Cena, and Henry.
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