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Post by slappy on Sept 22, 2013 21:59:31 GMT -5
Will you defend Walt killing Skyler and Flynn? You're acting like Walt went around randomly killing people out of cold blood this entire series So is that a yes? You will defend his killing them? |
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Sept 22, 2013 22:03:11 GMT -5
How can anyone not be pulling for Walt. Since episode one he has been shat on and shat on in every way imaginable. He now has nothing left. His family's gone, he is dying any day now, the entire world thinks he is the spawn of satan. Why not go out in a blaze of glory. That last scene with Gretchen and Eliot was intense as it gets. Walter whites dead. But Heisenburg has some unfinished business . Next week is gonna be epic Um, what he got his wife into. All the people he has killed. He got his brother in law killed. He poisoned a child. To be fair the context somewhat justifies his actions. If he hadn't gone into cooking, his family would not have been able to afford his medical expenses and would not be able to live comfortably afterward. He could have/should have stopped after he made a large sum for the family but things obviously got to his head, and getting out of that life isn't exactly easy. Once Skylar found out about his life behind closed doors, she could have ratted him out but instead, she chose to protect him. She also cheated on him while she had two children with him and while he had cancer. So no I have no sympathy for her to be honest. Walt killed a lot of people, true, but he had to in order to protect himself and his family. You can't really blame him for that. He did technically get his brother in law killed, but I look at it like Hank got himself killed. Hank was so obsessed with the idea of him being the one to catch Walt, that he made things more complicated than it had to be. Walt warned him, and he disregarded it. Despite Walt trying his best to keep Hank alive, Hank just kept pushing and ultimately it led to his fate. As a side-note, I don't see Hank as 'the good guy' either. When he was talking to Gomez and said to him that he didn't give two craps whether or not Jesse died in his plot to catch Walt, it just goes to show that he was willing to get people killed in order to gain what he wanted (remind you of anyone?) The poisoning of Brock, I can't really defend. |
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Post by Tye Hyll on Sept 22, 2013 22:03:14 GMT -5
I think he knew Brock would be okay and Jane would have been the death of Jessie. All that money. They would have OD'd on heroine within a week. Again, I return to what Hank said. He is an extremely smart man but he is also very stupid. Anything bad that happened was from his ignorance on the situation.
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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 22, 2013 22:04:03 GMT -5
Do you not remember why he poisoned Brock ?? Jesse and Gus both were to kill Walt and his family at any given moment . The only and I mean ONLY way Walt could've got Jesse on his side and get rid of Gus was to do what he did. His intent was never to kill the kid. He knew how much to give him to keep him Alive. He told the nazis to come BEFORE knowing hank was there. The moment he saw hank show up he called it off. He never intended to hurt ANYONE Walt also let Jane die. I can't believe you are defending his nearly killing a child. He never intended to hurt anyone besides all the people he killed or had killed. I guess it's ok that he killed some of them because they would have ratted on him. Again had he let jane live she was going to "bury him into the ground" plus she'd kill Jesse eventually as we'll with that herion garbage. He only had the inmates killed because if they lived and ratted guess what. Walts dead and his money goes to the police. He never did anything out of cold blood or without reason. I never said I endorse what he did. I just don't think he deserves to be painted as this scumbag serial murderer. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 22, 2013 22:08:38 GMT -5
He let Jane die to protect Jesse only to later order a hit on Jesse.
Walt is a selfish prick. Using and abusing everyone to get what he wants and doesn't care who he has to cross in order to get it. Innocent women and children to fuel his delusion that he was helping his family when he was really destroying them.
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Post by Tye Hyll on Sept 22, 2013 22:11:52 GMT -5
He'll save Jesse. Walt is great.
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Sept 22, 2013 22:13:48 GMT -5
He let Jane die to protect Jesse only to later order a hit on Jesse. Walt is a selfish prick. Using and abusing everyone to get what he wants and doesn't care who he has to cross in order to get it. Innocent women and children to fuel his delusion that he was helping his family when he was really destroying them. Despite all the things that happened, I think Walt really did care for Jesse. Remember that Walt was waiting for Jesse at the outdoor mall in public to talk things out. It was Jesse who threatened him on the phone, and that's why Walt had no choice but to put a hit on him in fear. |
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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 22, 2013 22:14:46 GMT -5
He let Jane die to protect Jesse only to later order a hit on Jesse. Walt is a selfish prick. Using and abusing everyone to get what he wants and doesn't care who he has to cross in order to get it. Innocent women and children to fuel his delusion that he was helping his family when he was really destroying them. Once again... He put a hit on Jesse after he tried to burn down his HOUSE!! In fact that wasn't even his breaking point it was when Jesse wouldn't go sit and reason with Walt that he realiEd if he didn't have Jesse killed that Jesse would kill him and his family. |
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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 22, 2013 22:16:42 GMT -5
So they won for best drama?
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Post by slappy on Sept 22, 2013 22:17:31 GMT -5
He let Jane die to protect Jesse only to later order a hit on Jesse. Walt is a selfish prick. Using and abusing everyone to get what he wants and doesn't care who he has to cross in order to get it. Innocent women and children to fuel his delusion that he was helping his family when he was really destroying them. Despite all the things that happened, I think Walt really did care for Jesse. Remember that Walt was waiting for Jesse at the outdoor mall in public to talk things out. It was Jesse who threatened him on the phone, and that's why Walt had no choice but to put a hit on him in fear. He may have cared at one point but that is all gone. That was gone before Brock was poisoned. Walt putting a hit on him caused the death of an innocent woman. What did Andrea do wrong? Nothing. She was killed because it would hurt Jesse. Brock was poisoned because it would hurt Jesse into believing whatever bullcrapWalt was spewing. Walt is a monster. Todd is a monster. Both need to die. |
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Post by slappy on Sept 22, 2013 22:18:18 GMT -5
He let Jane die to protect Jesse only to later order a hit on Jesse. Walt is a selfish prick. Using and abusing everyone to get what he wants and doesn't care who he has to cross in order to get it. Innocent women and children to fuel his delusion that he was helping his family when he was really destroying them. Once again... He put a hit on Jesse after he tried to burn down his HOUSE!! In fact that wasn't even his breaking point it was when Jesse wouldn't go sit and reason with Walt that he realiEd if he didn't have Jesse killed that Jesse would kill him and his family. And what led Jesse to want to kill Walt? Walt is not an innocent angel in all of this. |
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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 22, 2013 22:27:01 GMT -5
Once again... He put a hit on Jesse after he tried to burn down his HOUSE!! In fact that wasn't even his breaking point it was when Jesse wouldn't go sit and reason with Walt that he realiEd if he didn't have Jesse killed that Jesse would kill him and his family. And what led Jesse to want to kill Walt? Walt is not an innocent angel in all of this. Never said he was a saint. He's done terrible, unforgivable things. But in the end his intentions were always for his family's sake. Even when he was in cuffs and hank was laughing in his face he still didn't want to see hank die. He's not this heartless bastard that your making him out to be . Jesse had every reason to be mad at Walt but he's worse than Walt for trying to kill him |
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Post by slappy on Sept 22, 2013 22:30:22 GMT -5
And what led Jesse to want to kill Walt? Walt is not an innocent angel in all of this. Never said he was a saint. He's done terrible, unforgivable things. But in the end his intentions were always for his family's sake. Even when he was in cuffs and hank was laughing in his face he still didn't want to see hank die. He's not this heartless bastard that your making him out to be . Jesse had every reason to be mad at Walt but he's worse than Walt for trying to kill him Walt does all this terrible stuff to Jesse and Jesse is the bad guy? Walt lets a woman die and poisons a child but the guy who wants to stop that monster is the bad one? |
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Post by Tye Hyll on Sept 22, 2013 22:35:03 GMT -5
Everyone on the show is a monster, how does no one get this? In a good world everyone would die. In the fun adrenaline pumping fantasy world, Walt is a badass anti hero. People love a good anti hero and Walt is that.
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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 22, 2013 22:37:02 GMT -5
Never said he was a saint. He's done terrible, unforgivable things. But in the end his intentions were always for his family's sake. Even when he was in cuffs and hank was laughing in his face he still didn't want to see hank die. He's not this heartless bastard that your making him out to be . Jesse had every reason to be mad at Walt but he's worse than Walt for trying to kill him Walt does all this terrible stuff to Jesse and Jesse is the bad guy? Walt lets a woman die and poisons a child but the guy who wants to stop that monster is the bad one? No Jesse isn't the bad guy. They've both done their fare share of crap to each other but in the end they are both good people who got caught up in some bad bad stuff. I know walts dying. And that's fine . He pretty much is better off dead at this point. But I do want it to be on his own terms or by the cancer. Jesse does not deserve to die and I really hope he gets out of next week alive. I just can't like him anymore after the snitching |
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Post by slappy on Sept 22, 2013 22:40:53 GMT -5
Walt does all this terrible stuff to Jesse and Jesse is the bad guy? Walt lets a woman die and poisons a child but the guy who wants to stop that monster is the bad one? No Jesse isn't the bad guy. They've both done their fare share of crap to each other but in the end they are both good people who got caught up in some bad bad stuff. I know walts dying. And that's fine . He pretty much is better off dead at this point. But I do want it to be on his own terms or by the cancer. Jesse does not deserve to die and I really hope he gets out of next week alive. I just can't like him anymore after the snitching I want Jesse to blow up the meth lab and take the Nazis with him (since he's not getting out alive he might as well kill them too). I then want Flynn or Skyler to kill Walt. And if Marie dies somewhere in between I'll be ok with that. |
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Post by King Silva on Sept 22, 2013 22:41:20 GMT -5
I was watching the Emmys so I am not reading comments yet since my episode will start in 20 minutes. Can't wait. BTW congrats to Breaking Bad for winning Outstanding Drama Series tonight! Sadly the actors of the show didn't get an award but Anna Gunn won so yay for Skyler.  |
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Post by RybackV1 on Sept 22, 2013 22:47:39 GMT -5
No Jesse isn't the bad guy. They've both done their fare share of crap to each other but in the end they are both good people who got caught up in some bad bad stuff. I know walts dying. And that's fine . He pretty much is better off dead at this point. But I do want it to be on his own terms or by the cancer. Jesse does not deserve to die and I really hope he gets out of next week alive. I just can't like him anymore after the snitching I want Jesse to blow up the meth lab and take the Nazis with him (since he's not getting out alive he might as well kill them too). I then want Flynn or Skyler to kill Walt. And if Marie dies somewhere in between I'll be ok with that. We can basically confirm walts heading to the nazi hideout with that HUGE m60 . Now will the ricin be for Lydia? Walt himself? Who knows. Maybe even Jesse. But i feel we will definitely see a Jesse and Walt reunion and hopefully they take out everyone in their path before each other . |
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Post by slappy on Sept 22, 2013 22:52:54 GMT -5
I want Jesse to blow up the meth lab and take the Nazis with him (since he's not getting out alive he might as well kill them too). I then want Flynn or Skyler to kill Walt. And if Marie dies somewhere in between I'll be ok with that. We can basically confirm walts heading to the nazi hideout with that HUGE m60 . Now will the ricin be for Lydia? Walt himself? Who knows. Maybe even Jesse. But i feel we will definitely see a Jesse and Walt reunion and hopefully they take out everyone in their path before each other . I think Walt may try and get to Gretchen and Elliot as well. If he is going out in a blaze of glory then he'd probably want to take them out for their comments to Charlie Rose. Great cameo by the way. I cannot imagine a scenario in which Walt does not die. Either by his own hand, someone killing him or in a prison hospital succumbing to cancer. If he does live I will be shocked and appalled. |
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Sept 22, 2013 23:01:23 GMT -5
I remember when Jesse was talking with Hank about Walt he said something along the lines of "For everything you think is going to happen, the exact opposite is going to happen." I can't help but think that line was intentionally put in to foreshadow something.
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