toosteezy
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Rikishi
Aug 13, 2013 12:03:10 GMT -5
Post by toosteezy on Aug 13, 2013 12:03:10 GMT -5
What are your guys opinion on Rikishi turning heel in 2000? Rikishi IMO was ruined when he turned. He never fully recovered and his heel turn was a complete fail. I feel like his only good feud when he was heel was with Rock and they had a very underrated match at Survivor Series 2000. What do you guys think?
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Rikishi
Aug 13, 2013 12:07:15 GMT -5
Post by SuperJimmy12345 on Aug 13, 2013 12:07:15 GMT -5
It got him in the Armageddon Hell in a Cell to be fair,so WWF couldn't have thought the heel turn was that bad
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inkboy83
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Post by inkboy83 on Aug 13, 2013 12:07:21 GMT -5
Never liked Rikishi, just wasn't a fan.
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Rikishi
Aug 13, 2013 12:07:41 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 12:07:41 GMT -5
Terrible idea. It completely ruined him and he never recovered from it.
If Billy hadn't been out with an injury things would have been very different.
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Rikishi
Aug 13, 2013 12:10:30 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 12:10:30 GMT -5
it felt very forced & unnatural to me.and I gotta agree with AF....he didnt recover.it was such a grievous thing to run over Austin.you cant just turn back face after that!!LOL
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Rikishi
Aug 13, 2013 13:35:58 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2013 13:35:58 GMT -5
Never liked Rikishi, just wasn't a fan.
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MonsoonMan
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Rikishi
Aug 13, 2013 16:21:32 GMT -5
Post by MonsoonMan on Aug 13, 2013 16:21:32 GMT -5
Never liked Rikishi, just wasn't a fan.
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Rikishi
Aug 13, 2013 16:46:28 GMT -5
Post by Himmy! on Aug 13, 2013 16:46:28 GMT -5
I hated Rikishi as a heel. Wasn't natural at all.
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Rikishi
Aug 14, 2013 5:38:47 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 5:38:47 GMT -5
Sucked.
The worst part about it was when he cut that TERRIBLE promo about why he ran over Stone Cold.
Some crap about doing it for "da Rock and da people" and about how WWF had always been about "the great white hope" and nonsense.
It was doomed from the start. It's hard to go from being the fat guy in a thong who dances and shoves his ass in faces to being a "bad man" overnight.
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Rikishi
Aug 14, 2013 10:31:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2013 10:31:04 GMT -5
It was so stupid when you remember how over he was as a face.
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Rikishi
Aug 14, 2013 10:58:54 GMT -5
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Post by AlexWestCollects on Aug 14, 2013 10:58:54 GMT -5
If he wasn't dancing I didn't enjoy it.
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sideeffect
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Rikishi
Aug 15, 2013 14:17:36 GMT -5
Post by sideeffect on Aug 15, 2013 14:17:36 GMT -5
It was so stupid when you remember how over he was as a face. Yeah, Rikishi was OVER as a face. Turning him heel was a mistake. I remember i read WWE were planning on having Billy Gunn as the guy running down Austin but he got injured. Also on RAW during the investigation the cops were asking Gunn and he mentioned "I saw the driver and he had blond hair"...so i guess they had to go with the next guy with blond hair when Gunn was on the shelf.
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WMDman
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Rikishi
Aug 15, 2013 15:22:17 GMT -5
Post by WMDman on Aug 15, 2013 15:22:17 GMT -5
Killed his momentum
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savage
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Rikishi
Aug 15, 2013 15:25:00 GMT -5
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Post by savage on Aug 15, 2013 15:25:00 GMT -5
Say what you want but it earned him his most memorable feud with SCSA. I loved their match at No Mercy.
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Rikishi
Aug 15, 2013 17:57:18 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 17:57:18 GMT -5
I believe that had they given him a heel run with the I.C. belt and made him a credible heel, he could have easily had a feud for the WWF Championship in 2001 (had he not gotten injured). At the very least they could have given him and Haku a run with the Tag-Team Championships. Build them two up as bad-ass Samoan monsters and put them against APA for the belts, they could have had some great brawls.
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Rikishi
Aug 15, 2013 18:09:04 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2013 18:09:04 GMT -5
I believe that had they given him a heel run with the I.C. belt and made him a credible heel, he could have easily had a feud for the WWF Championship in 2001 (had he not gotten injured). At the very least they could have given him and Haku a run with the Tag-Team Championships. Build them two up as bad-ass Samoan monsters and put them against APA for the belts, they could have had some great brawls. yes indeed...I like this idea.
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Rikishi
Aug 15, 2013 18:15:17 GMT -5
Post by wyleecyotee on Aug 15, 2013 18:15:17 GMT -5
It had potential but theres only so much believability in a fat guy wearing a thong that rubs his ass in peoples faces playing a "bad man."
Maybe if he changed his gear up slightly and there was a bit more story put behind him to really push the bad man Rikishi then it could have gone a lot better.
I do like now watching back PPVs of 2000 and seeing Rikishi and in am its still real to me bit, the fans are cheering him when he technically ran over their biggest hero. Just a thing I find amusing a bit.
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TheEvilDoink1987
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Rikishi
Aug 15, 2013 22:30:25 GMT -5
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Aug 15, 2013 22:30:25 GMT -5
I just didn't think they milked his face run with Too Cool as much as they could've. The pops those guys were getting that summer were as good as anybody else on the roster. It's not like they'd been together for years and needed to change it up like with the Dudleyz' split in 2002. It totally killed Rikishi and was the beginning of the end for Scotty and Grandmaster too.
The company wasn't low on main event-level heels so the timing always made no sense to me. Vince is a smart guy, but as a BUSINESS man he should have realized immediately that Rikishi as a babyface dancing with Too Cool was going to move more merchandise and sell more tickets than as a colorless bad guy who gets fed to Stone Cold. People forget sometimes that Rikishi had been with the company since 1992 and it took him wearing a thong, dancing, and sticking his ass into people's faces for him to finally get over.
They should have let that gravy train ride a little longer before pulling the plug.
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Rikishi
Aug 19, 2013 20:45:02 GMT -5
Post by cordless2016 on Aug 19, 2013 20:45:02 GMT -5
A heel run, especially at that time, was never going to work. The guy was over big as a midcard face but his run w/ Too Cool was cut way too short. Not that he would have gotten a main event run as a face w/ guys like Austin, Rock, Taker, and Jericho around but he was never going to get over as a top heel w/ HHH, Angle, Benoit, and Kane doing their things at the time. They killed all the momentum he had built up over the year by turning him heel. It was such a WTF moment when they said he ran over Austin when we knew he wasn't even signed w/ the WWF back then.
I think his run in early 2001 w/ Haku could have been entertaining but sadly Rikishi got injured before they really got going as a team. That injury really stalled and killed his career because he never recovered from it.
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