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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Aug 19, 2013 7:50:02 GMT -5
Yeah, those 3 are the only top guys I can think of where I've never heard of them refusing to put someone over. Shocking how many big guys have refused to do jobs despite it being such a key part of the business. Actually, come to think of it, were there ever strong rumours of Cena flat out refusing to lose? As far as I'm aware his incessant winning is all WWE not him.The only story I've heard about Cena not wanting to do the job was last year's WM but I'm 95% sure that's BS. There's no way he was ever asked, that whole story was built for him to win. Despite people hating him, I think we have to add him to the list of top stars who have never refused to lose with 'Taker, Rock & Foley. Edit: Oh, I think I misread - you mean WM28. I still doubt he refused, but even if he did he must've been convinced fairly quickly.
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Post by AV1 on Aug 19, 2013 15:02:10 GMT -5
Not really refusing to job but at ER2012 was Brock not meant to beat Cena up so badly that he had to be carried out then Lesnar bragged that Cena's win was a fluke etc but instead Cena cut a promo?
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 19, 2013 15:17:20 GMT -5
Not really refusing to job but at ER2012 was Brock not meant to beat Cena up so badly that he had to be carried out then Lesnar bragged that Cena's win was a fluke etc but instead Cena cut a promo? That whole post-match was just mind-boggling booking. Lesnar dominates for 18 minutes, then Cena hits the Five Moves on the steps within 2 minutes, pins him and isn't hurt at all? Then he cuts a promo about how he might take a vacation and then appears on my godforsaken television for the next 6 months straight?
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Post by AV1 on Aug 19, 2013 15:29:23 GMT -5
Not really refusing to job but at ER2012 was Brock not meant to beat Cena up so badly that he had to be carried out then Lesnar bragged that Cena's win was a fluke etc but instead Cena cut a promo? That whole post-match was just mind-boggling booking. Lesnar dominates for 18 minutes, then Cena hits the Five Moves on the steps within 2 minutes, pins him and isn't hurt at all? Then he cuts a promo about how he might take a vacation and then appears on my godforsaken television for the next 6 months straight? The ending of that match sums up the term Super Cena perfectly.
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 19, 2013 17:05:57 GMT -5
Not really refusing to job but at ER2012 was Brock not meant to beat Cena up so badly that he had to be carried out then Lesnar bragged that Cena's win was a fluke etc but instead Cena cut a promo? That whole post-match was just mind-boggling booking. Lesnar dominates for 18 minutes, then Cena hits the Five Moves on the steps within 2 minutes, pins him and isn't hurt at all? Then he cuts a promo about how he might take a vacation and then appears on my godforsaken television for the next 6 months straight? This. The booking was complete crap and ruined Lesnar's whole character after only being back for a month. The funny thing is that they were promoting 2012 as "Cena's worst year ever." He lost to Rocky at WM, never regained the WWE Title that year and even lost to friggin "Big Johnny" L on PPV yet couldn't be booked to lose to Lesnar. They pushed Lesnar as this legit monster yet he lost to Cena's 5 moves of doom after dominating him for 15 minutes. Then to make it worse Cena gave a promo afterwards like he was completely fine.
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Post by Rob7274 on Aug 21, 2013 7:05:51 GMT -5
From what I've read and heard Taker is one of the few guys who has never refused to put someone over, atleast since he has been a top name. I've read stories and rumors over the years about so many guys refusing to put others over and Taker, Foley, and Rocky are the only super over/main event guys from the WWF who I've never heard anything about holding other back. Just personal experience and could be wrong. I have heard that he was trying to push the idea strong to Vince about putting Randy Orton over at WM21 since he felt Randy was bigger for their future. Kurt Angle has also claimed that Taker wanted to put him over at WM22. Just rumors but I've never heard anything to rebuff them. Yeah, those 3 are the only top guys I can think of where I've never heard of them refusing to put someone over. Shocking how many big guys have refused to do jobs despite it being such a key part of the business. Actually, come to think of it, were there ever strong rumours of Cena flat out refusing to lose? As far as I'm aware his incessant winning is all WWE not him. Maybe that's what the WWE and/or Cena want you to believe.....
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Aug 21, 2013 12:48:11 GMT -5
I have heard that Taker pushed HARD for Kane to be the one to end the streak I doubt that. The Streak didn't become a thing until 2005, at which point he'd already wrestled Kane at two WrestleManias. I can't think of any time where a third Undertaker vs Kane at WrestleMania seemed like a good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 14:25:27 GMT -5
Cena totally went into business for himself @er12.
and he was a total idiot to do so......he was getting cheered against Lesnar when he tried to make a comeback.then he SPRANG to life,wasted Lesnar & went through his smiley shitbird routine in the ring after THAT hammering.
and people wonder why he gets booed.he no sold Bryans finish at Summerslam too.moron.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Aug 21, 2013 15:46:05 GMT -5
Cena totally went into business for himself @er12. and he was a total idiot to do so......he was getting cheered against Lesnar when he tried to make a comeback.then he SPRANG to life,wasted Lesnar & went through his smiley crapbird routine in the ring after THAT hammering. and people wonder why he gets booed.he no sold Bryans finish at Summerslam too.moron. That's not refusing to lose though, and for all we know that stuff was ordered by the office. Despite all the Cena hate I never hear stories of him manufacturing it himself.
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Post by Butchers on Aug 21, 2013 16:00:28 GMT -5
I think it was Taker (as well as someone else, can't remember who) who said that Mike Awesome couldn't work properly back in the Invasion storyline. You would have thought Awesome would be a guy that Vince would have liked, due to his size, but after debuting and winning the Hardcore title, he did nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 11:10:54 GMT -5
Awesome was NEVER EVER gonna get anywhere in WWF.
he had a VERY powerful list of enemies in Paul Heyman and established ECW guys The Dudleys & Taz.Plus loads of the locker room loathed him for what he did to ECW.
however Vince DID try.he won the Hardcore title in the hallowed ground of MSG-but the animosity backstage towards him was enormous.this was serious hate folks.....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2013 20:49:52 GMT -5
Awesome was NEVER EVER gonna get anywhere in WWF. he had a VERY powerful list of enemies in Paul Heyman and established ECW guys The Dudleys & Taz.Plus loads of the locker room loathed him for what he did to ECW. however Vince DID try.he won the Hardcore title in the hallowed ground of MSG-but the animosity backstage towards him was enormous.this was serious hate folks..... Sorry to drift the topic away from the Undertaker but what did Awesome do to do ECW that earned him so much hate?
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Post by Booger Red on Aug 23, 2013 21:20:59 GMT -5
Awesome was NEVER EVER gonna get anywhere in WWF. he had a VERY powerful list of enemies in Paul Heyman and established ECW guys The Dudleys & Taz.Plus loads of the locker room loathed him for what he did to ECW. however Vince DID try.he won the Hardcore title in the hallowed ground of MSG-but the animosity backstage towards him was enormous.this was serious hate folks..... Sorry to drift the topic away from the Undertaker but what did Awesome do to do ECW that earned him so much hate? I think it might have something to do with Awesome jumping ship to WCW while he was the ECW World Heavyweight Champion.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Aug 23, 2013 21:21:00 GMT -5
Didn't Undertaker get Chainz fired? Chainz got Chainz fired when he tried to choke out Vince.
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Post by Booger Red on Aug 23, 2013 21:23:39 GMT -5
Didn't Undertaker get Chainz fired? Chainz got Chainz fired when he tried to choke out Vince. That was Nailz.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Aug 23, 2013 21:24:51 GMT -5
That whole post-match was just mind-boggling booking. Lesnar dominates for 18 minutes, then Cena hits the Five Moves on the steps within 2 minutes, pins him and isn't hurt at all? Then he cuts a promo about how he might take a vacation and then appears on my godforsaken television for the next 6 months straight? This. The booking was complete crap and ruined Lesnar's whole character after only being back for a month. The funny thing is that they were promoting 2012 as "Cena's worst year ever." He lost to Rocky at WM, never regained the WWE Title that year and even lost to friggin "Big Johnny" L on PPV yet couldn't be booked to lose to Lesnar. They pushed Lesnar as this legit monster yet he lost to Cena's 5 moves of doom after dominating him for 15 minutes. Then to make it worse Cena gave a promo afterwards like he was completely fine. They booked him as a legit monster yes, but they also built him up to be really cocky which can minimally justify Cean's victory.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Aug 23, 2013 21:25:29 GMT -5
Chainz got Chainz fired when he tried to choke out Vince. That was Nailz. Sorry got the two mixed up.
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Post by mikey1974 on Aug 24, 2013 3:45:05 GMT -5
Awesome was NEVER EVER gonna get anywhere in WWF. he had a VERY powerful list of enemies in Paul Heyman and established ECW guys The Dudleys & Taz.Plus loads of the locker room loathed him for what he did to ECW. however Vince DID try.he won the Hardcore title in the hallowed ground of MSG-but the animosity backstage towards him was enormous.this was serious hate folks..... Sorry to drift the topic away from the Undertaker but what did Awesome do to do ECW that earned him so much hate? signed a contract with WCW,behind Heyman's back,while still the ECW World Champion. then showed up on Nitro billed as the ECW Champion. Heyman had to get an emergency court injunction to prevent Awesome from taking the Belt to Nitro.
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Post by cordless2016 on Aug 24, 2013 7:52:50 GMT -5
Awesome was NEVER EVER gonna get anywhere in WWF. he had a VERY powerful list of enemies in Paul Heyman and established ECW guys The Dudleys & Taz.Plus loads of the locker room loathed him for what he did to ECW. however Vince DID try.he won the Hardcore title in the hallowed ground of MSG-but the animosity backstage towards him was enormous.this was serious hate folks..... There was legit hate yes but I don't blame Awesome for going to WCW. Should he have informed Heyman? Yes, especially since he was the champ. But in Awesome's defense he was getting a far better deal than Heyman could ever afford and he never knew if his ECW checks would cash or bounce. Plus other top ECW names were always coming and going all the time (they mostly informed Heyman of leaving but not always). I'm a huge Heyman fan but hes not squeaky clean either and I think he held onto a grudge for far too long (something that is all too common in the industry sadly). Awesome was super talented and the WWF could have revived his career.
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Post by Dante, The Voc on Aug 24, 2013 8:39:51 GMT -5
Cena totally went into business for himself @er12. and he was a total idiot to do so......he was getting cheered against Lesnar when he tried to make a comeback.then he SPRANG to life,wasted Lesnar & went through his smiley crapbird routine in the ring after THAT hammering. and people wonder why he gets booed.he no sold Bryans finish at Summerslam too.moron. I thought he no-sold Bryan because he was on the verge of unconsiousness, but to each their own. The fact that the majority of people on these boards genuinely believe Cena will be the one to end Undertaker's streak is absolutely terrible.
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