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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Sept 1, 2013 23:13:19 GMT -5
To all who have observed my work, I don't think an introduction is needed, but I'll give one regardless.
My name is William Burgamy. I am an aspiring wrestling scholar. Which really means little more than a person with deliberate incentive to increase their comprehension of wrestling to the highest semantic levels of the art as it relates to performing wrestling matches to elicit responses from spectators. .
I have a connundrum that only the few of you kind enough to observe, challenge, & admire my work will be able to assist me. To clarify for those of you who don't know of my posts, most of them are attempts to expand the consciousness of the modern audience to it's history & truths of identity. Primarily the recognition of Professional Wrestling being the most thorough crossindex of literary & athletic psychology in all of art.
I was born in Georgia on July, 16th, 1993. I ffell in love with Authentic Wrestling at 7 years old when I watched old footage of Kurt Angle win his Olympic Gold Medal with a neck injury from 1996. I watched my very first major match on April 1st 2005 when I witnessed Kurt Angke defeat Shawn Michaels in what still stands as one of my all time favorite matches. My entire life was changed in that 30 minute spectacular.
Sadly I fail to explain any of my thoughts to my greatest critic. A person who has no actual comprehension of wrestling in any legitimate, thorough manner whatsoever outside of the minor exposure she catches from me.
My sister...
I was hoping some of you(any of you really) would perhaps write to this thread a message.
A message composed of what you would say to her or anyone when explaining who I am, what I write, & what I so ademantly understand as the beautiful truths to save Wrestling's prestigue & beauty.
I'll preface this by stating the following. Most of my posts are acts of grattitude to customizers, people who posts pictures of figure collections, & things relating to wrestling figures, but that's because I appreciate how much all of you help me enjoy collecting, customizing, posing, pic Feds etc. all the more & if we, the other members don't show appreciation for them taking time & effort to share the joy of wrestling figures with us, there's no point to this forum.
To conclude, if you feel that you genuinely understand me. I would truly appreciate an honest explanation that you would give of me. The only reason I bother any of you with this is out of my inability to articulate anything to her due to my hatred of her constant attacks on my psyche. I am genuinely asking for help because I can't explain myself.
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Post by slappy on Sept 1, 2013 23:22:19 GMT -5
Going to preface this with you shouldn't have to justify your interests to anyone.
I posted this a few years back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2013 23:35:51 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett once said, "For those who understand, there is no explanation necessary. For those who don't understand, no explanation will do."
I'm not going to attempt to expand on this quote.
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Post by eddie eddie on Sept 2, 2013 1:21:45 GMT -5
its ingrained in me. there is nothing else like it in my life
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Post by Thick Justice on Sept 2, 2013 1:43:18 GMT -5
I'd like to quote a member on here who I haven't the name.
It's Ballet with Violence.
To go on, its got romance, comedy, athleticism, and the everlasting story of good vs. evil.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Sept 2, 2013 7:58:04 GMT -5
Jeff Jarrett once said, "For those who understand, there is no explanation necessary. For those who don't understand, no explanation will do." I'm not going to attempt to expand on this quote. I first heard him say that 4 months after WrestleMania 21 in the Documentary "The unreal story of professional wrestling". The entire production changed my life completely. However, he wasn't as correct as we all originally thought. I'll elaborate later as right now I realize that I don't have the energy. Thank you to the others, but you might want to read post again.
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Post by Grumpyoldman on Sept 2, 2013 8:12:12 GMT -5
Sorry. man. That post was full of $50 words & ones you only find on SAT tests.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 2, 2013 9:27:03 GMT -5
Sorry. man. That post was full of $50 words & ones you only find on SAT tests. It has all kinds of double-speak and BS talk that makes very little sense at all when you actually look at it. I work in a Fortune 500 company and we get memos with similar wording from our executives all the time. Makes you sound important without actually saying what you mean. Anyway, I don't know why it's important that your sister like wrestling. People have different interests. I'm sure she's interested in things you have no interest in as well. No biggie.
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Post by CreamOfTheCrop on Sept 2, 2013 10:17:47 GMT -5
William, you are a Pro wrestling enthusiast, with an insatiable appetite for knowledge of Pro Wrestling.
A lot of people start with the assumption that Pro Wrestling is a "fake sport", and leave it as that. It takes someone with an innate passion to delve further into what it is. You have an amazing ability to translate the actions of what is seen on screen, from the characters & their matches, and turn them into words that create a beautiful story. Wrestling is much more than a "fake sport". Take Wrestlemania 21, one of you're favorite matches, HBK vs Angle. This embodies everything Pro Wrestling is, and supposed to be. Amazing athleticism performed by larger than life characters that make things look & seem as real as they can, all while manipulating people's emotions and telling a beautiful story, with rules & regulations that are exclusive to this genre. You cheer, boo, cry, hate &/or love what they do. And whats more? They have the talent & commitment to do this on a nightly basis, for us, the fans. Wrestling is real, athletic competition, that combines sport, theatre & pageantry, all topped off with a deeper meaning that only some are eligible to understand. When you go by the definition, "Art is an expression or creation of human creative skill & imagination producing works to be appreciated for their beauty & emotional power" It is a form of art. You thought me that. I have always loved Wrestling, and knew it wasn't just because it was a way for me to escape from myself & watch guys beating each other up. Pro Wrestling is so much more than that. It is an art form, that combines athleticism, theatre, sport, drama, creativity, humor, and so many other elements of that are all loved by people for being what they are. Wrestling combines them all, something that is exclusive to that genre. It brings people closer together and allows people to have their hates & vices be symbolised & defeated. It is good vs evil. Fake? People should take pride in the fact that Pro Wrestling is worked & symbolises brutality in the form of art, allowing us to escape & elicit emotions of happiness, joy, laughter in a way we are unable to in life. People who favour UFC, they get what, to see their favourite fighter put on a much less entertaining fight, where he could possibly break a bone or suffer a beating so bad they might get to see them less than they already do, which is 1-2 times per year. Granted, the risks are even greater in Pro Wrestling, all because we get to see them twice, minimum, a week. They still do it for us. Pro Wrestling demands more physical input also. Strenght, conditioning, athleticism, commitment, metal & physical toughness, charisma, personality - all on a nightly basis, rarely disappointing in my opinion. You thought me all this, and I am forever grateful for that. I have only begun, what I know will be a fascinating journey.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Sept 2, 2013 13:33:48 GMT -5
Sorry. man. That post was full of $50 words & ones you only find on SAT tests. It has all kinds of double-speak and BS talk that makes very little sense at all when you actually look at it. I work in a Fortune 500 company and we get memos with similar wording from our executives all the time. Makes you sound important without actually saying what you mean. Anyway, I don't know why it's important that your sister like wrestling. People have different interests. I'm sure she's interested in things you have no interest in as well. No biggie. I have no need of anyone's praise. It's matter of proving wrestling poignancy. She & others say I am not a scholar, &/or that wrestling isn't complex or refined in any capacity. Double speak? You tell me one line of my soul that beared in this request for help that you don't get, & I'll explain thusly. I'm a poetry lover. Not a god damn bullcraper. Every word bespeaks the determination with which I believe in the truths of Wrestling's artistry. It's pigs like you that are killing the beauty of language & I would personally sew your mouth shut myself if I had the nerve. Tell me my actual flaws of linguistic specifities. Tell me you fool & prove me wrong in calling you that. I always prefer constructive criticism to insults.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 2, 2013 13:48:54 GMT -5
Wrestling isn't high brow entertainment. It never has been. It never will be. It's not refined. It's not artistry. Doesn't mean it's not good entertainment. Doesn't mean there's anything at all wrong with being a wrestling fan. Heck, most all sports are pretty low brow. It's a guy carrying a ball down the field and a bunch of other guys trying to force him to the ground. It's a guy smacking a ball with a stick. It's a guy tossing a ball through a hoop. It's not complex. It's not refined. It's still good fun. You say poetry. I say flowery language that's nothing more than BS. Doesn't matter. We still agree. Wrestling is perfectly fine entertainment. The fact that it's low brow is irrelevant.
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Post by Y2J13 on Sept 2, 2013 14:14:30 GMT -5
Good God you sound pretentious....
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Post by Halloween King on Sept 2, 2013 14:44:27 GMT -5
I recently heard this and liked it.
Never explain, your friends dont need it and your enemys will never beleive it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 15:44:57 GMT -5
Don't bother with the proletariat. I also see wrestling's artistic value. It's storytelling in its most basic form. When all common denominators are divided, it's simply good versus evil.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Sept 2, 2013 16:22:35 GMT -5
Wrestling isn't high brow entertainment. It never has been. It never will be. It's not refined. It's not artistry. Doesn't mean it's not good entertainment. Doesn't mean there's anything at all wrong with being a wrestling fan. Heck, most all sports are pretty low brow. It's a guy carrying a ball down the field and a bunch of other guys trying to force him to the ground. It's a guy smacking a ball with a stick. It's a guy tossing a ball through a hoop. It's not complex. It's not refined. It's still good fun. You say poetry. I say flowery language that's nothing more than BS. Doesn't matter. We still agree. Wrestling is perfectly fine entertainment. The fact that it's low brow is irrelevant. You are an uneducated fool if you truly believe that an art itself can be "low brow". Television for example. Downton Abbey & Breaking Bad. Our first example is a miniseries depicting the struggles of a progressional era family of English Aristocrats dealing with the potential loss of their estate after the death of a relative in the sinking of the Titanic. The second is a portrayal of a Chemistry teacher stricken with cancer. He is so desperate to survive, he turns to cooking Crystal Meth. Both of these are cultured, refined, compelling shows, but do not define Television as a whole to be high or low brow entertainment since shows such as Cheaters & the entire E! Network still exist. Wrestling at it's core is a physical chess match between the most physically abled kinesiologists on earth. Masters of manipulating the human body's position to achieve the desired stance. OBVIOUSLY this is only the most rudimentary foundation of the art. It was Tootz Mondt who spoke the phrase "The common man will never appreciate the beauty of Scientific Wrestling." Thus, leading his business partner Ed Lewis to invent crowd pleasing moves & begin the transformation of wrestling from Sport to a "Theatrical portrayal, there of." (Forgive any of my grammatical errors as I am human.) Wrestling has evolved into a genre of live theatre so far-reaching that it has almost as many genres as American Music. Shoot/Strong Style, American Theatrics, Lucha, Canadian Blend, Europeon round based matches, comic/Indy & so on. The sell outs between Bruno Samnartino & Giant Babe in Tokyo were a prestigue picture compared the comedy club stylings of Chikara or PWG on occasion. So to try & claim wrestling or any of the major art-forms to be low or high brow is a cup that simply doesn't hold water. Here's a good question sir. When was the last time you wrestled in any fashion be it authentic or theatrical? Because I have been a mat rat since I had two digits to my age. Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu being my primary outlet since no school would let me wrestle. Because I am a catch wrestler who learned to heel hook in a Gi. Now I'm the shooter of my promotion. Are we an armory based promotion? You bet your sideburns. Does that make my blend of empirical know how & text-book understanding of authentic holds any less meaningful? And more importantly do the mats hurt any less? Not by a long shot. You didn't admire T.S Eliot or Hemingway or Austen or Twain growing up did you? I Flowery language. Let my Boulderdash your "bullcrap" right back in your face! That's the go-to cop out phrase of a trembling little cynic who failed High School "Lit" as they so affectionately & ironically call it since it does nothing to light a fire in the souls of the students. I am not accusing you of not being well read. I am sitting here hoping you are in fact a very educated challenger so that I may wonder why you would detest any attempt to bring respectful discussion to something that you enjoy? Or do you not have a passion rooted in your bone-marrow for the ecstasy of ring-dust in your lungs & cauliflower ears? Or at the very least, a genuine admiration of the tangible characters better suited for Mythology & the masterful technicians who duel night after night to entertain & earn a living by working a respectable craft? I am tired of giving wrestling fans so much respect, talking up as passionately as I can out of respect for their intelligence only to be scoffed at & told to stay in my God Damn rabbit-hole. Think what you must, but don't EVER challenge the TRUTH that wrestling is androgynous & beautiful dependent upon the ideas of the promoters/bookers/writers/talent...
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Sept 2, 2013 16:26:49 GMT -5
Yeah, as an actual scholar in the study of all forms of media, wrestling definitely falls under "low culture" and you sound pretentious. ![:P](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/tongue.gif)
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Post by Nivro™ on Sept 2, 2013 16:31:16 GMT -5
Someone got a thesaurus for Christmas last year.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Sept 2, 2013 17:56:41 GMT -5
Yeah, as an actual scholar in the study of all forms of media, wrestling definitely falls under "low culture" and you sound pretentious. ![:P](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/tongue.gif) And there once existed a creationist who believed Darwin was a "Racist" based on his use of the word "Race" to describe species. Read what I write or don't bother chiming in. I asked for help from my readers to describe my writing style & observations of the subject. Nice ad hominem by the way. I love wrestling & pursue in a scholarly fashion, yet I'm not allowed to be one even in the unofficial sense.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 2, 2013 18:14:12 GMT -5
1. Wrestling is not an art. It's two guys in their underwear pretending to hurt each other. Let's be honest here. Don't get wrong, I'm not saying it's not damned entertaining at times, but let's call a spade a spade. Quoting wrestlers claiming what they do is art is the same as quoting pitchers who claim what they do is art. Is pitching an art form? No. Does this mean that watching Kershaw or Scherzer make grown men look foolish isn't entertaining? Not at all.
2. The authors you mentioned were more comfortable being profane than being flowery. Go read their writings again.
3. Just because something creates tension and grips an audience's attention doesn't make it art. Tom Brady takes the ball at his 30 yard line with 1:45 and 1 time out left in the game and the Pats are down by 5. Does that grip the crowd's attention? Hell yeah. Is football art? Hell no.
4. Just because you like something and your sister doesn't doesn't make your sister wrong. I love baseball. I have a good friend who thinks it's boring. We don't get our panties in a wad because we disagree. I wouldn't expect you to like everything I like and I wouldn't expect to like everything you like.
5. Wrestling is about as low brow as you can get. Any time having a beer in hand is the preferred way to enjoy a past time it's low brow. Again, so what. I'm not always in the mood to put on a suit and enjoy a symphony. Sometimes I like to kick back and drown worms and sometimes I like to see half naked guys pretend to hurt each other. There's nothing wrong with enjoying low brow entertainment some of the time or even all of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 18:33:12 GMT -5
Yeah, as an actual scholar in the study of all forms of media, wrestling definitely falls under "low culture" and you sound pretentious. ![:P](http://www.wrestlingfigs.com/images/tongue.gif) Do you have a Bachelor's in Mass Communication? That is the only degree that I can think of that would remotely fall under the umbrella "all forms of media." Even Mass Communication isn't truly comprehensive, however. Even if it were, I'm not sure that would position you to pass judgment on all forms of entertainment. Unless you are saying that you are in a position to pass judgment because of your scholarly background. If that's the case, I have a Master's in Creative Writing and I disagree with your opinion. As an actual scholar, I believe wrestling can be artistic.
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