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Post by LtD73 on Sept 4, 2013 14:43:58 GMT -5
 WCW Monday Night Nitro Debuts. |
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Sept 4, 2013 14:50:49 GMT -5
Great day for wrestling; the beginning of the formation of the Monday Night Wars.
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Post by mikey1974 on Sept 4, 2013 18:33:20 GMT -5
Great day for wrestling; the beginning of the formation of the Monday Night Wars. exactly! a historic occassion,that would usher in,change,and create FAR more than it ever intended! |
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Post by WMDman on Sept 4, 2013 19:31:12 GMT -5
I miss it
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 20:45:19 GMT -5
One of the worst days in the history of professional wrestling was the day Vince McMahon bought WCW.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 4, 2013 20:47:49 GMT -5
One of the worst days in the history of professional wrestling was the day Vince McMahon bought WCW. AKA the day nobody else with money wanted to buy WCW. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 20:56:01 GMT -5
One of the worst days in the history of professional wrestling was the day Vince McMahon bought WCW. AKA the day nobody else with money wanted to buy WCW. It doesn't matter that no one else wanted to buy the company. McMahon's purchase of WCW lead directly to its demise. While I know that WCW was struggling badly when it was sold. I refuse to believe that no one could save it. |
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Post by Shane O. on Sept 4, 2013 20:57:25 GMT -5
Wow, how time flies!
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 4, 2013 21:01:53 GMT -5
AKA the day nobody else with money wanted to buy WCW. It doesn't matter that no one else wanted to buy the company. McMahon's purchase of WCW lead directly to its demise. While I know that WCW was struggling badly when it was sold. Nope. McMahon bought it because it was dead. It was being cancelled by Time Warner, and nobody else wanted to buy it. There were two options: 1) McMahon buying it, or 2) nobody buying it, the Nitro set being thrown in a dumpster, and all the WCW tapes just sitting rotting in a warehouse at AOL somewhere forever. That's fine for you to believe, but in the real world, nobody wanted to save it. At least nobody with the resources. Eric Bischoff tried, and his money backers didn't go for it because it was a worthless purchase without a TV platform. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 21:33:34 GMT -5
It doesn't matter that no one else wanted to buy the company. McMahon's purchase of WCW lead directly to its demise. While I know that WCW was struggling badly when it was sold. Nope. McMahon bought it because it was dead. It was being cancelled by Time Warner, and nobody else wanted to buy it. There were two options: 1) McMahon buying it, or 2) nobody buying it, the Nitro set being thrown in a dumpster, and all the WCW tapes just sitting rotting in a warehouse at AOL somewhere forever. That's fine for you to believe, but in the real world, nobody wanted to save it. At least nobody with the resources. Eric Bischoff tried, and his money backers didn't go for it because it was a worthless purchase without a TV platform. Yeah, that's simply not true. At the closing of 2000, Ted Turner turned down several offers to buy WCW. However when the Time Warner/AOL merger was finalized, Turner no longer had power over the decision and WCW, along with all other Time Warner sports interests, were sold. The Atlanta Braves were sold to Liberty Media Corp while the Atlanta Hawks and Thrashers (NHL) were sold to Atlanta Spirit LLC. AOL wanted nothing to do with the sports world. Bischoff (who was backed by Fusient Media Ventures) and McMahon were actively bidding against each other over the purchase of WCW. WCW's tv ratings were still fine at the time too. While they weren't averaging the 5.0 rating WWF was averaging, they were averaging a respectable 2.75. You know who is averaging around a 3.0 now? WWE. The bidding war for WCW ended for one reason. AOL removed WCW programming off TBS and TNT because it "didn't fit they image they wanted to portray". When this happened, one of Bischoff's backers backed out out and McMahon was no longer compromised by his exclusive deal with Viacom allowing him to scoop in and pick up WCW before another bidder could express any interest. I guess the real world you live in is about as realistic as the Mtv television series with the same name. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 21:45:25 GMT -5
AKA the day nobody else with money wanted to buy WCW. It doesn't matter that no one else wanted to buy the company. McMahon's purchase of WCW lead directly to its demise. While I know that WCW was struggling badly when it was sold. I refuse to believe that no one could save it. I remember Eric was trying to put the money together to buy WCW but Vince just outright bought it |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 4, 2013 21:46:20 GMT -5
Luger showing up on that first Nitro was a huge moment at the time. I remember being so shocked by it, I was expecting him to feud with Bulldog in the WWF, and then heard he had gone back to WCW. So many moments in that first year of Nitro that made wrestling what it is today. Bischoff (who was backed by Fusient Media Ventures) and McMahon were actively bidding against each other over the purchase of WCW. Yup. Two bidders. And that was before Fusient realised WCW was dead. When they found that out, they weren't interested and only one party was interested in purchasing. AOL removed WCW programming off TBS and TNT because it "didn't fit they image they wanted to portray". Yup. And thus WCW was dead. Yup. That's what I said in my post. A two horse race became a one horse race. Yup. Before any of the nonexistent other bidders could express any interest. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 22:11:57 GMT -5
AOL removed WCW programming off TBS and TNT because it "didn't fit they image they wanted to portray".
Yup. Before any of the nonexistent other bidders could express any interest.That's moronic. Any television show with an average rating between 2.5 and 3.0 would have been picked up by another network. Also, as I said before, Turner turned down several attempts of others to purchase WCW in late 2000. There was an interest. A deal with Bischoff and Fusient Media Ventures had been agreed on when a third, unnamed backer walked away. While Bischoff and Fusient Media Ventures were trying to raise the capitol to complete the purchase, AOL approached McMahon who made an offer and bought the company. Bischoff and Fusient Media Ventures were still very much in the race until the last second as well as the other interested parties who had made offers, turned down by Turner, no more than 3 months prior. Do you have any facts to dispute what I'm saying or just your opinion? Your opinion doesn't seem to be holding up to reality. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Sept 4, 2013 22:25:45 GMT -5
Any television show with an average rating between 2.5 and 3.0 would have been picked up by another network. False. If networks wanted to pick it up, they would have. WCW Nitro was shopped around by Vince McMahon -- the guy who was producing the most popular wrestling product ever -- and still no networks wanted it. They definitely wouldn't have wanted it when an unproven or failed wrestling promoter was shopping it to them. That's why Bischoff's money men ran for the hills. Not at the time it was sold there wasn't. Like I said -- Vince was the only one who had the money and interest. Bischoff was off chasing some investors because the ones he had didn't have any interest in buying a wrestling promotion with no TV platform. Yup. Because he was the only interested party who had the money. Yup. Three months prior. Not at the time of sale. I'm using facts. You're trying to perpetuate your fantasy that there were other, better offers on the table for WCW when the salient fact is: If there were better offers, AOL wouldn't have had to go cap in hand to Vince to offer it for pennies on the dollar. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 22:45:18 GMT -5
Any television show with an average rating between 2.5 and 3.0 would have been picked up by another network. False. If networks wanted to pick it up, they would have. WCW Nitro was shopped around by Vince McMahon -- the guy who was producing the most popular wrestling product ever -- and still no networks wanted it. They definitely wouldn't have wanted it when an unproven or failed wrestling promoter was shopping it to them. That's why Bischoff's money men ran for the hills. Like I said earlier, Vince had an exclusive deal with Viacom at the time. He could not produce a wrestling show for a non-Viacom owned station even if he wanted to. Raw was on TNN (Spike TV), Smackdown was on UPN and Heat was on Mtv. Not to mention shows like Velocity and Confidential. Tell me, what channel did Vince have to shop Nitro to? He had an exclusive contract with Viacom and was already contractually obligated to produce already airing programs on Viacom's major stations. I guess he could have put Nitro on BET, but is that at all realistic? |
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Post by Captain McKay on Sept 5, 2013 12:40:53 GMT -5
False. If networks wanted to pick it up, they would have. WCW Nitro was shopped around by Vince McMahon -- the guy who was producing the most popular wrestling product ever -- and still no networks wanted it. They definitely wouldn't have wanted it when an unproven or failed wrestling promoter was shopping it to them. That's why Bischoff's money men ran for the hills. Like I said earlier, Vince had an exclusive deal with Viacom at the time. He could not produce a wrestling show for a non-Viacom owned station even if he wanted to. Raw was on TNN (Spike TV), Smackdown was on UPN and Heat was on Mtv. Not to mention shows like Velocity and Confidential. Tell me, what channel did Vince have to shop Nitro to? He had an exclusive contract with Viacom and was already contractually obligated to produce already airing programs on Viacom's major stations. I guess he could have put Nitro on BET, but is that at all realistic? Well, he DID have ECW on Sci-Fi Channel, didn't he?  But yeah, I have no idea how Vince would have kept WCW alive without merging it the way he did. It wasn't like he was going to give up Raw or Smackdown so that he could run Nitro one night a week, because we all know how he treated WCW talent as second-class. There'd be no way he would eliminate one of his precious WWF shows in favor of a "lesser" product for two hours during prime time TV hours. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 12:59:09 GMT -5
Great day for wrestling.it would take a while but nitro would eventually wake Vince from his stupor.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 18:28:56 GMT -5
Welp, I'm old.
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Post by specterkev on Sept 8, 2013 18:30:57 GMT -5
I feel old now...
But yeah this is a big milestone in Professional Wrestling. I miss WCW everyday
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 22:50:15 GMT -5
Looking back at watching old DVDs and matches on YouTube and such, I've realized WCW wasn't very good and I much prefer the NWA days. And towards the end WCW was so bad that Im glad it died. Mind you, this is my opinion.
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