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Post by Adam on Sept 10, 2013 6:00:04 GMT -5
Homeopaths? Enough said.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 7:14:22 GMT -5
There's no reason to be hesitant about vaccines. I'm sorry, but there just isn't. If you deliberately expose your child to a health risk, then that is flat out negligence. Worse, you deliberately expose me to a health risk as well. A child that is not vaccinated grows up into an adult who is not vaccinated. The refusal to vaccinate is the reason we see diseases like measles making a come back in the developed world. You mean to tell me that measles making a comeback isn't bad for everyone? I'm sorry, but I think a system that steps in AFTER someone is dead is a really broken system. You do understand vaccinations do more harm than good to a child, right? They destroy the immune system of said child.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 10, 2013 7:52:34 GMT -5
There's no reason to be hesitant about vaccines. I'm sorry, but there just isn't. If you deliberately expose your child to a health risk, then that is flat out negligence. Worse, you deliberately expose me to a health risk as well. A child that is not vaccinated grows up into an adult who is not vaccinated. The refusal to vaccinate is the reason we see diseases like measles making a come back in the developed world. You mean to tell me that measles making a comeback isn't bad for everyone? I'm sorry, but I think a system that steps in AFTER someone is dead is a really broken system. You do understand vaccinations do more harm than good to a child, right? They destroy the immune system of said child. Actually the opposite of what a vaccine does, but whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 8:26:11 GMT -5
You do understand vaccinations do more harm than good to a child, right? They destroy the immune system of said child. Actually the opposite of what a vaccine does, but whatever. If you do some research you'll find they do indeed destroy the immune system of a child. I'm not trying to get into an argument here, just informing you
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Post by heychickabumpbump on Sept 10, 2013 8:35:32 GMT -5
Actually the opposite of what a vaccine does, but whatever. If you do some research you'll find they do indeed destroy the immune system of a child. I'm not trying to get into an argument here, just informing you In what way do they damage the immune system of a child? They introduce an antigenic agent into the body to stimulate the immune response. I do not see how this would damage the immune system.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 9:00:44 GMT -5
"1. Vaccines are toxic.
*Vaccines contain substances poisonous to humans (i.e. mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum, etc.) Vaccine package inserts contain this and other information required by law to be disclosed to the public. Although these inserts are produced for consumers, doctors do not make them available to their patients.
*Vaccines are grown on and contain foreign tissue and altered genetic material of both human and animal origin.
2. Immunization (the act of injecting vaccines) depresses and disables brain and immune function. Honest, unbiased scientific investigation has shown vaccinations to be a causative factor in many illnesses including:
*Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (aka SIDS, crib or cot death)
*developmental disorders (autism, seizures, mental retardation, hyperactivity, dyslexia, etc.)
*immune deficiency (i.e. AIDS, Epstein Barre Syndrome, etc.)
*degenerative disease (i.e. muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis, arthritis, cancer, leukemia, lupus, fibromyalgia, etc.)
3. The high rate of adverse vaccine reactions is being ignored and denied by conventional medicine.
*Prior to 1990, doctors were not legally required to report adverse reactions to the Center for Disease Control (CDC).
*Adverse reactions are considered "normal", are ignored or diagnosed as other diseases. Even with this poor system, reported damage is substantial.
*Despite their current legal obligation, less than 10% of doctors report the damage they witness to the CDC.
*Throughout history, many prominent medical and non-medical health professionals around the world have voiced their vehement opposition to vaccination calling it scientific fraud.
4. Mass Vaccination Programs systematically and recklessly endanger the public while disregarding our rights.
*Since vaccination breaks the skin, it is technically a surgery. All surgeries by law require informed consent. Informed consent is rarely attained before vaccines are administered.
*Doctors vaccinate the unwitting and uninformed. The vaccine manufacturers' package inserts which contain biased industry claims and the bare minimum required by law to reveal are not routinely made available to consumers so that they can make a more informed choice.
*Double-talk and unethical enforcement such as threats, intimidation and coercion are used to ensure vaccination compliance.
5. There is no proof that vaccinations are safe or effective.
*There are no control group studies. Authorities consider that "to not vaccinate" is unethical and have refused to study unvaccinated volunteers. If control studies were done according ' to honest science, vaccination would be outlawed.
*Studies which have been done are not designed to eliminate the examiners bias. Authorities who compile and report disease statistics work closely with and have a vested interest in companies which produce the vaccines. In other industries, this kind of bias is not tolerated. Injuries and deaths in these studies are attributed to anything but vaccination to skew the results and make it appear that vaccines have some merit.
6. Laws allow drug companies to violate the public trust.
*In private vaccine damage suits, information is revealed condemning vaccines as deadly.
*Vaccine manufacturers use "gag orders" as a leverage tool in vaccine damage legal settlements to restrict the plaintiff from disclosing to the public the truth about the dangerous nature of vaccines. Our government has allowed these unethical tactics to be used which jeopardize public welfare.
7. The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1987 is a pacifier.
*This compensation program pretends to acknowledge the existence of vaccine damage by making "right" the wrongs done. Nothing in this Act attempts to avert these adverse events from happening in the future.
*This Act is the result of vaccine producers pressuring the government to "immunize" them from private lawsuits which can run an average of $4 million per case.
*The fund is made up of tax added into the cost to the consumer of each vaccine, thereby making vaccine consumers pay for one another's and perhaps their own injury; the vaccine manufacturers have made themselves quite "immune" from accountability. In recent years it has become even more difficult to be compensated through this program due to the parameters for determining vaccine damage changing and coroners now ruling out vaccine damage and charging the parents with Shaken Baby Syndrome.
8. Private insurance companies, which do the best liability studies, have totally abandoned coverage for damage to life and property due to:
*Acts of God
*Nuclear war and nuclear power plant accidents
*Vaccination
9. Vaccination is not emergency medicine.
*It is claimed that vaccines avert a possible future risk and yet people are pressured to decide on the spot. A doctor's use of fear and intimidation to force compliance is not ethical. Vaccines are drugs with potential serious adverse reactions. Time and forethought should be given before a decision is made.
10. There is no law enforcing vaccination for babies or anyone else.
*Vaccination is linked with school attendance but is not compulsory. Exemptions from vaccinations, although restricted and monitored, are part of every state public health law and can be expanded by public pressure.
*Departments of Health, Education and the American Medical Association personnel profit from the sale of vaccines. They keep the existence of and details about exemptions relatively unknown."
-Saynotovaccines.com
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 9:00:58 GMT -5
"1. Vaccines are toxic.
*Vaccines contain substances poisonous to humans (i.e. mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum, etc.) Vaccine package inserts contain this and other information required by law to be disclosed to the public. Although these inserts are produced for consumers, doctors do not make them available to their patients.
*Vaccines are grown on and contain foreign tissue and altered genetic material of both human and animal origin.
2. Immunization (the act of injecting vaccines) depresses and disables brain and immune function. Honest, unbiased scientific investigation has shown vaccinations to be a causative factor in many illnesses including:
*Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (aka SIDS, crib or cot death)
*developmental disorders (autism, seizures, mental retardation, hyperactivity, dyslexia, etc.)
*immune deficiency (i.e. AIDS, Epstein Barre Syndrome, etc.)
*degenerative disease (i.e. muscular dystrophy, multiple sclerosis, arthritis, cancer, leukemia, lupus, fibromyalgia, etc.)
3. The high rate of adverse vaccine reactions is being ignored and denied by conventional medicine.
*Prior to 1990, doctors were not legally required to report adverse reactions to the Center for Disease Control (CDC).
*Adverse reactions are considered "normal", are ignored or diagnosed as other diseases. Even with this poor system, reported damage is substantial.
*Despite their current legal obligation, less than 10% of doctors report the damage they witness to the CDC.
*Throughout history, many prominent medical and non-medical health professionals around the world have voiced their vehement opposition to vaccination calling it scientific fraud.
4. Mass Vaccination Programs systematically and recklessly endanger the public while disregarding our rights.
*Since vaccination breaks the skin, it is technically a surgery. All surgeries by law require informed consent. Informed consent is rarely attained before vaccines are administered.
*Doctors vaccinate the unwitting and uninformed. The vaccine manufacturers' package inserts which contain biased industry claims and the bare minimum required by law to reveal are not routinely made available to consumers so that they can make a more informed choice.
*Double-talk and unethical enforcement such as threats, intimidation and coercion are used to ensure vaccination compliance.
5. There is no proof that vaccinations are safe or effective.
*There are no control group studies. Authorities consider that "to not vaccinate" is unethical and have refused to study unvaccinated volunteers. If control studies were done according ' to honest science, vaccination would be outlawed.
*Studies which have been done are not designed to eliminate the examiners bias. Authorities who compile and report disease statistics work closely with and have a vested interest in companies which produce the vaccines. In other industries, this kind of bias is not tolerated. Injuries and deaths in these studies are attributed to anything but vaccination to skew the results and make it appear that vaccines have some merit.
6. Laws allow drug companies to violate the public trust.
*In private vaccine damage suits, information is revealed condemning vaccines as deadly.
*Vaccine manufacturers use "gag orders" as a leverage tool in vaccine damage legal settlements to restrict the plaintiff from disclosing to the public the truth about the dangerous nature of vaccines. Our government has allowed these unethical tactics to be used which jeopardize public welfare.
7. The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1987 is a pacifier.
*This compensation program pretends to acknowledge the existence of vaccine damage by making "right" the wrongs done. Nothing in this Act attempts to avert these adverse events from happening in the future.
*This Act is the result of vaccine producers pressuring the government to "immunize" them from private lawsuits which can run an average of $4 million per case.
*The fund is made up of tax added into the cost to the consumer of each vaccine, thereby making vaccine consumers pay for one another's and perhaps their own injury; the vaccine manufacturers have made themselves quite "immune" from accountability. In recent years it has become even more difficult to be compensated through this program due to the parameters for determining vaccine damage changing and coroners now ruling out vaccine damage and charging the parents with Shaken Baby Syndrome.
8. Private insurance companies, which do the best liability studies, have totally abandoned coverage for damage to life and property due to:
*Acts of God
*Nuclear war and nuclear power plant accidents
*Vaccination
9. Vaccination is not emergency medicine.
*It is claimed that vaccines avert a possible future risk and yet people are pressured to decide on the spot. A doctor's use of fear and intimidation to force compliance is not ethical. Vaccines are drugs with potential serious adverse reactions. Time and forethought should be given before a decision is made.
10. There is no law enforcing vaccination for babies or anyone else.
*Vaccination is linked with school attendance but is not compulsory. Exemptions from vaccinations, although restricted and monitored, are part of every state public health law and can be expanded by public pressure.
*Departments of Health, Education and the American Medical Association personnel profit from the sale of vaccines. They keep the existence of and details about exemptions relatively unknown."
-Saynotovaccines.com
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Sept 10, 2013 11:06:46 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2013 11:13:57 GMT -5
Don't bother trying to explain that. They'll just claim that scientific studies in peer reviewed journals are biased.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 10, 2013 11:55:01 GMT -5
"1. Vaccines are toxic. *Vaccines contain substances poisonous to humans (i.e. mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum, etc.) Vaccine package inserts contain this and other information required by law to be disclosed to the public. Although these inserts are produced for consumers, doctors do not make them available to their patients. The CDC publishes a list of everything that's in a vaccine. Nothing is toxic. The mercury is ethyl mercury, not elemental mercury. Formaldehyde is used to render the virus non-toxic but still immunogenic and doesn't exist in anywhere close to the ammounts that would be toxic. Aluminum is the 3rd most common element on earth. It doesn't exist in a vaccine in any ammount greater than .85 mg. In contrast, you will absorb 3-8 mg of aluminum today just from walking around on the planet. Take a blood sample right now. You probably have more than .85 mg of aluminum in your blood. I'm sorry, but this just isn't true. You claiming it's such doesn't change anything. There has not been a single study that has linked vaccines to any of them. The autism vaccine link has been studied in no less than 14 different studies all of which have found not a single link. This really isn't an argument. It's a propaganda statement. It's backed by nothing and there really isn't any way to respond to it with any facts as it's not making a factual claim at all. Again, more propaganda. Note that no actual factual statement is being made here, just a statement of opinion. This does make an actually statement. The statement that there's no proof of vaccines effectiveness is false though. You vaccinate a population against disease A and that disease disappears. As vaccination rates go up, disease rates for disease A go down. Coincidence? We started vaccinated people against small pox in the early 1800's. We haven't had a case of smallpox in the US since 1949. What happened to it? In 1952 polio affected 60,000 people. In 1955 the US started widespread polio vaccinations. We have not had a case of polio in the US since 1979. Why do you think that happened? We start vaccinating against polio and suddenly no one gets it any more. Why do you think that is? **sigh** More propaganda. No way to really respond. This act requires vaccine makers to disclose the contents of the vaccine as well as the pros/cons of taking the vaccine vs getting the disease. How is this bad? It also requires them to report any adverse reactions to vaccines that fall under certain criteria. There's a claim procedure if you think you've been harmed by a vaccine. Not sure what more people want. I'll be honest, I have neither the time nor the inclination to look at every single private insurance company and see exactly what they cover and what they don't. I have no clue if this is true or not. None at all. I've never seen anyone make the argument that it is. Not entirely true. There are rules in some places that you cannot enroll your child in school unless they've been vaccinated. Some states/municipalities have exemptions, some don't. The ones that do shouldn't IMO. It's a public health risk. Sounds like a fairly unbiased source.
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Post by Adam on Sept 10, 2013 12:06:55 GMT -5
Don't bother trying to explain that. They'll just claim that scientific studies in peer reviewed journals are biased. Or that they're on the side of Big Pharma, or Big Science if you're inclined to sound crazier.
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Post by RollinsFan44 on Sept 15, 2013 17:22:40 GMT -5
ILLUMINATI! *sarcasm*
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Post by Last Trent Barreta Fan on Sept 16, 2013 0:42:07 GMT -5
I was reading this and was enjoying myself when I noticed "the parents who prayed for their kid to be better" I assume you're talking about the Neumann's, since that was the most recent national case. They live in my hometown.
Fun Fact: I was friends with their son in high school. I was one of the few kids who treated him with respect and didn't ask questions about his family. Actually just saw them at the grocery store downtown.
Very nice family, just a little different when it came to religious beliefs. They owned a coffee shop near where I lived until the lawyer bills stacked up.
Just wanted to chime that in.
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Post by Adam on Sept 16, 2013 12:38:11 GMT -5
I was reading this and was enjoying myself when I noticed "the parents who prayed for their kid to be better" I assume you're talking about the Neumann's, since that was the most recent national case. They live in my hometown. Fun Fact: I was friends with their son in high school. I was one of the few kids who treated him with respect and didn't ask questions about his family. Actually just saw them at the grocery store downtown. Very nice family, just a little different when it came to religious beliefs. They owned a coffee shop near where I lived until the lawyer bills stacked up. Just wanted to chime that in. I wasn't actually referring to anyone specific in this case.
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