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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 19:26:21 GMT -5
I want the science behind how bad vaccinations are. I don't think there is much/any.
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Sept 7, 2013 19:28:24 GMT -5
And how do you take care of someone else's body? If you haven't been vaccinated against measles and I happen to be carrying it, what protects you? Good health. You gain good health by strengthening your immune system, which is the purpose of vaccines.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2013 19:28:51 GMT -5
I want the science behind how bad vaccinations are. I don't think there is much/any. Oh, just talk to Dr. Andrew Wakefield. He'll tell you all about it. Oh wait. He's not a doctor any more because he was stripped of his license. Meh. Ask him anyway. He insists he's right.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 19:32:11 GMT -5
They are required for school, but some states are making exceptions if the parents have a moral objection to vaccinations. It's ridiculous. Haven't there been times when parents of kids that aren't vaccinated have been brought up on charges when their kid dies? Parents should influence and guide children not force them to do something they don't want to. I can understand that vaccinations should be a school requirement but it should not be mandatory otherwise. How do you let a 2 year old decide something like that? You can give them all the info in the world but they won't understand it. So you are ok with government forcing kid to be vaccinated just under certain circumstances.When you put it like that, no, so I will retract my statement. But the bottom line is vaccinations should be a choice not mandatory. I don't care what you or Dr. Hulk says. Forcing people to get vaccinated is a major infringement on freedom. That's all I have to say about the issue, it's not interesting enough for me to continue this discussion.
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 19:32:24 GMT -5
I want the science behind how bad vaccinations are. I don't think there is much/any. Oh, just talk to Dr. Andrew Wakefield. He'll tell you all about it. Oh wait. He's not a doctor any more because he was stripped of his license. Meh. Ask him anyway. He insists he's right. Jenny McCarthy will vouch for him.
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 19:33:59 GMT -5
Haven't there been times when parents of kids that aren't vaccinated have been brought up on charges when their kid dies? How do you let a 2 year old decide something like that? You can give them all the info in the world but they won't understand it. So you are ok with government forcing kid to be vaccinated just under certain circumstances.When you put it like that, no, so I will retract my statement. But the bottom line is vaccinations should be a choice not mandatory. I don't care what you or Dr. Hulk says. Forcing people to get vaccinated is a major infringement on freedom. That's all I have to say about the issue, it's not interesting enough for me to continue this discussion. You haven't proven vaccinations are bad. You are the one that is always big on science proving things you believe in. Where's the science behind this belief?
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 19:34:32 GMT -5
You gain good health by strengthening your immune system, which is the purpose of vaccines. There are plenty of natural healthy supplements that can strengthen your immune system.
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Sept 7, 2013 19:34:56 GMT -5
Oh, just talk to Dr. Andrew Wakefield. He'll tell you all about it. Oh wait. He's not a doctor any more because he was stripped of his license. Meh. Ask him anyway. He insists he's right. Jenny McCarthy will vouch for him. Didn't she change her views about vaccinations after the doctors found out her kid doesn't really have autism? Kind of like an "oops. my bad" way?
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 19:35:42 GMT -5
Jenny McCarthy will vouch for him. Didn't she change her views about vaccinations after the doctors found out her kid doesn't really have autism? Kind of like an "oops. my bad" way? I don't think so but if she did I'd love to read what she said.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 19:36:03 GMT -5
When you put it like that, no, so I will retract my statement. But the bottom line is vaccinations should be a choice not mandatory. I don't care what you or Dr. Hulk says. Forcing people to get vaccinated is a major infringement on freedom. That's all I have to say about the issue, it's not interesting enough for me to continue this discussion. You haven't proven vaccinations are bad. You are the one that is always big on science proving things you believe in. Where's the science behind this belief? It doesn't matter if they are good or bad, they should be a choice not be mandatory.
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 19:37:11 GMT -5
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 19:38:18 GMT -5
You haven't proven vaccinations are bad. You are the one that is always big on science proving things you believe in. Where's the science behind this belief? It doesn't matter if they are good or bad, they should be a choice not be mandatory. But I'm talking about the benefits/risks of vaccinations. You think they are bad so I want the science behind it.
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Sept 7, 2013 19:40:30 GMT -5
You gain good health by strengthening your immune system, which is the purpose of vaccines. There are plenty of natural healthy supplements that can strengthen your immune system. Show me a natural supplement that will strengthen your immune system against polio, measles, chicken pox, and hepatitis.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2013 19:41:39 GMT -5
Haven't there been times when parents of kids that aren't vaccinated have been brought up on charges when their kid dies? How do you let a 2 year old decide something like that? You can give them all the info in the world but they won't understand it. So you are ok with government forcing kid to be vaccinated just under certain circumstances.When you put it like that, no, so I will retract my statement. But the bottom line is vaccinations should be a choice not mandatory. I don't care what you or Dr. Hulk says. Forcing people to get vaccinated is a major infringement on freedom. That's all I have to say about the issue, it's not interesting enough for me to continue this discussion. So, infringing on freedom even if it protects the health of the public is bad? The government infringes on freedom all the time and with very good reasons. I'm not allowed to drive 75 mph down the city street. There's a legit reason. The streets aren't designed for it and there's a very high chance that I'd kill/injure myself or someone else. There are perfectly legitimate reasons to infringe on people's personal freedoms.
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 19:43:18 GMT -5
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 19:45:20 GMT -5
They work for me just fine. Haven't gotten sick in years and when I do get the occasional cold I take zinc and echinacea with golden seal root and it greatly reduces the length and severity of the cold. Vitamin C is also a very good way to boost your immune system. And if you're not into herbal supplements, there's tons of fruits and vegetables that greatly boost your immune system, provide antioxidants and eliminate free radicals.
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 19:47:10 GMT -5
When you put it like that, no, so I will retract my statement. But the bottom line is vaccinations should be a choice not mandatory. I don't care what you or Dr. Hulk says. Forcing people to get vaccinated is a major infringement on freedom. That's all I have to say about the issue, it's not interesting enough for me to continue this discussion. So, infringing on freedom even if it protects the health of the public is bad? The government infringes on freedom all the time and with very good reasons. I'm not allowed to drive 75 mph down the city street. There's a legit reason. The streets aren't designed for it and there's a very high chance that I'd kill/injure myself or someone else. There are perfectly legitimate reasons to infringe on people's personal freedoms. The government cannot infringe on your right to let your kids go out and contract a deadly disease. It's one thing for adults to make the choice for themselves but it's another for adults to make those decisions for children.
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Post by slappy on Sept 7, 2013 19:48:09 GMT -5
They work for me just fine. Haven't gotten sick in years and when I do get the occasional cold I take zinc and echinacea with golden seal root and it greatly reduces the length and severity of the cold. Vitamin C is also a very good way to boost your immune system. And if you're not into herbal supplements, there's tons of fruits and vegetables that greatly boost your immune system, provide antioxidants and eliminate free radicals. Except there is no science behind your claims. Anecdotal evidence is not science.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Sept 7, 2013 19:48:23 GMT -5
It doesn't matter if they are good or bad, they should be a choice not be mandatory. But I'm talking about the benefits/risks of vaccinations. You think they are bad so I want the science behind it. Again, it doesn't matter why I think they're good or bad, that's my personal opinion. The topic is about forced vaccinations, not if they are good or bad. My opinion on whether I think they're good or bad is irrelevant, what matters is that I think they should be a choice not forced. End of discussion.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Sept 7, 2013 19:48:27 GMT -5
They work for me just fine. Haven't gotten sick in years and when I do get the occasional cold I take zinc and echinacea with golden seal root and it greatly reduces the length and severity of the cold. Vitamin C is also a very good way to boost your immune system. And if you're not into herbal supplements, there's tons of fruits and vegetables that greatly boost your immune system, provide antioxidants and eliminate free radicals. Personal experience is not empirical.
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