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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Aug 31, 2017 18:58:21 GMT -5
Ah, apologies, I meant Onslaught. Cheets Its a nice figure. I dont really see any superiority with them over the DC Multiverse figures. They're just slightly bigger. All the Caps had shoddy paint app somewhere on the figure but I tried to find the best one I could. Im sure Ill pick up more. The articulation, multiple heads and hands are where they beat DC Multiverse. They have hinged wrists, double hinged elbows and knees, ankle pivots, some like wolverine have butterfly shoulders. Multiverse has some catching up to do.
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Post by Boy Wonder on Sept 1, 2017 5:22:25 GMT -5
As long as you ignore paint, sculpt, articulation, character/costume choice, distribution, and frequency of releases, Multiverse and ML are pretty neck and neck.
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Post by PJ on Sept 1, 2017 6:50:16 GMT -5
Its a nice figure. I dont really see any superiority with them over the DC Multiverse figures. They're just slightly bigger. All the Caps had shoddy paint app somewhere on the figure but I tried to find the best one I could. Im sure Ill pick up more. The articulation, multiple heads and hands are where they beat DC Multiverse. They have hinged wrists, double hinged elbows and knees, ankle pivots, some like wolverine have butterfly shoulders. Multiverse has some catching up to do. The Butterfly joints is the ugliest looking joint ever made. And double elbows never look correct when the arms are bent. As for multiple hands/wrist articulation I am 50 years old and just display my figures in basic vanilla heroic poses. So they really aren't needed for me. And DCUC did have hinged wrists on their archer figures. I will say I do wish Mattel would have kept (and improved) the ankle rockers their DCSH line had and given us multiple heads for their DCUC Batman (one cowled and one unmasked), but he is really the only one. But at the end of the day I still like the overall look of DCUC figures more than ML.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Sept 1, 2017 16:53:21 GMT -5
The articulation, multiple heads and hands are where they beat DC Multiverse. They have hinged wrists, double hinged elbows and knees, ankle pivots, some like wolverine have butterfly shoulders. Multiverse has some catching up to do. The Butterfly joints is the ugliest looking joint ever made. And double elbows never look correct when the arms are bent. As for multiple hands/wrist articulation I am 50 years old and just display my figures in basic vanilla heroic poses. So they really aren't needed for me. And DCUC did have hinged wrists on their archer figures. I will say I do wish Mattel would have kept (and improved) the ankle rockers their DCSH line had and given us multiple heads for their DCUC Batman (one cowled and one unmasked), but he is really the only one. But at the end of the day I still like the overall look of DCUC figures more than ML. And Id say Im the same way as for vanilla poses and I even leave some mint in box, but I can still see a plus with the extra range of movement and interchangable parts. I think Kollector_Kombat and Robert69 would agree at least too. I love WWE Elites and DC Multiverse, but wish they could both be more like Marvel Legends with the hands and heads at least.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 1, 2017 19:27:59 GMT -5
Its a nice figure. I dont really see any superiority with them over the DC Multiverse figures. They're just slightly bigger. All the Caps had shoddy paint app somewhere on the figure but I tried to find the best one I could. Im sure Ill pick up more. The articulation, multiple heads and hands are where they beat DC Multiverse. They have hinged wrists, double hinged elbows and knees, ankle pivots, some like wolverine have butterfly shoulders. Multiverse has some catching up to do. Yeah but hinged wrists are horrible. I can live without the double hinged knees or elbows. Ankle pivots are worthless. The butterfly shoulders is interesting, but I dont like how they physically look on the figure. So its something I can definitely pass on. I think DC Multiverse has the better set of articulation. The fact that the annoying torso movement is gone is a big plus.
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Sept 1, 2017 19:46:59 GMT -5
I mean it may not be your cup of tea, but you couldnt do this without them... Maybe DC characters dont require that. I dont like the old Toybiz style with the big ball hips, but no problem with the new Hasbro ones.
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Post by PJ on Sept 1, 2017 20:27:43 GMT -5
As far as the Wolverine pose goes I think DCUC figures match it pretty well without having the butterfly joint. They did give the classic Robin figures double knees. And yes I would like acrobatic characters like Batman, Nightwing, Robin to get double knees so they can be posed in better poses like Spider-Man, but only the double knees added to the existing POA. But hips I like the DCUC hips better for any heroes wearing trunks, because the Marvel hips guys in trunks look like they are wearing speedos. But for guys like Nightwing or other heroes wearing tights I wouldn't mind the ML hips.
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Post by Kollector_Kombat on Sept 1, 2017 20:54:15 GMT -5
Don't think I can form an opinion here because I own ZERO DCUC or Multiverse or whatever they go by now. I CAN say, I love putting my figures into poses and I think ML's definitely benefit from the things noted that some dislike like the ankle rocker/pivot, butterfly joints, disc jointed necks, and let alone range of motion. Even in the detail department (from what i've seen) Marvel takes the cake. Everybody's got their own opinion on what they like and own though so I don't think there really would be any wrong answer as to "Who/What's the better toy company"
That being said......
Marvel>DC any day of the week.
Not just from a figure standpoint but as a brand in general. Just what I grew up with. I read all their comics I could get my hands on, collected their figures, bought other merch, enjoy their movies and I just connected to the characters a ton more than I have any DC property. Marvel (to me) has more of a base in the real world (as funny as that sounds) but what I mean by that is they're based in real cities and not fictional places like Metropolis or Gotham City. When I think New York think Spider-Man, when I think about the city of WestChester I think the X-Men, when I think of Canada I think of Alpha Flight. I dunno, not really the greatest point but I'll always stick with Marvel as my favorite Comic brand of superheros as a whole
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Post by POOR-ly Cuyler on Sept 1, 2017 21:38:45 GMT -5
PJ that looks pretty good. I think DC is stepping up, the hips on zero year were an improvement to me. I think theyre starting to add double knees too? Some protos from SDCC looked like they did.
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Post by mrhoss on Sept 1, 2017 22:27:26 GMT -5
I'm almost disappointed when an ML doesn't have butterfly joints. Some of the old Toy Biz designs were not very attractive, but I think Hasbro really improved the look.
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Post by PJ on Sept 2, 2017 4:21:07 GMT -5
PJ that looks pretty good. I think DC is stepping up, the hips on zero year were an improvement to me. I think theyre starting to add double knees too? Some protos from SDCC looked like they did. Yup and I think they had hinged wrists also. But we will see if they keep it all in the final product. I know when the Four Horsemen designed the Bat-Signal Batman for their first 6" Batman line their proto had ... Ball jointed head Ball jointed shoulders Upper arm cuts Hinged elbows Forearm cuts Wrist hinges Mid torso ball joint Waist cut DCUC hips Upper thigh cuts Double knees (I think) Hinged and rocker ankles And it came with the Bat-Signal and a piece of the GCPD roof. I had the prototype pic as my desktop for years until that computer died. I wish I had saved it as it was a to g of beauty. But what we got was everything from the waist up stayed intact, but the lower body became a t-crotch, knee hinges and ankle hinges and they also dropped the GCPD roof. So hopefully all the POA remain in the final product.
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Post by kennyw86 on Sept 2, 2017 6:18:48 GMT -5
I think wolverine looks like he is about to somebody up. Lantern looks like a 4 year old about to start running. MARVEL wins. AGAIN.
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Post by PJ on Sept 2, 2017 7:04:18 GMT -5
Yeah because he has claws. Remove the claws and Wolverine and Green Lantern's upper body/arms are in the same pose without DCUC having to install that ugly butterfly joint. So I would say DCUC for the win there. Not saying I don't like ML articulation, but I really don't see either companies as being superior. Both have positives and negatives.
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Post by LA Times on Sept 2, 2017 14:03:15 GMT -5
Don't think I can form an opinion here because I own ZERO DCUC or Multiverse or whatever they go by now. I CAN say, I love putting my figures into poses and I think ML's definitely benefit from the things noted that some dislike like the ankle rocker/pivot, butterfly joints, disc jointed necks, and let alone range of motion. Even in the detail department (from what i've seen) Marvel takes the cake. Everybody's got their own opinion on what they like and own though so I don't think there really would be any wrong answer as to "Who/What's the better toy company" That being said...... Marvel>DC any day of the week. Not just from a figure standpoint but as a brand in general. Just what I grew up with. I read all their comics I could get my hands on, collected their figures, bought other merch, enjoy their movies and I just connected to the characters a ton more than I have any DC property. Marvel (to me) has more of a base in the real world (as funny as that sounds) but what I mean by that is they're based in real cities and not fictional places like Metropolis or Gotham City. When I think New York think Spider-Man, when I think about the city of WestChester I think the X-Men, when I think of Canada I think of Alpha Flight. I dunno, not really the greatest point but I'll always stick with Marvel as my favorite Comic brand of superheros as a whole You used to own a couple of them and I tried to make a trade for them but we couldnt work anything out
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 2, 2017 20:01:51 GMT -5
I mean it may not be your cup of tea, but you couldnt do this without them... Maybe DC characters dont require that. I dont like the old Toybiz style with the big ball hips, but no problem with the new Hasbro ones. But why do I need all that. For me these figures are supposed to help explore one's imagination and creativity. I think the more the figure can do, to a certain extent, the less one has to use their mind and imagination. To me, thats the fun in action figures and any toy really. Ive seen these new Transformers that can transform themselves. Thats super cool. No doubt. But I dont want to see this to be the standard in Transformers. I cant imagine losing the ability and learning how to transform them and going through that motion. Its the same reason why I despise WWE figures with these weird ass facial expressions like open mouths, big cheesy smiles, closed eyes, etc. I want a straight face, standard scan. Let your imagination open the world for facial expressions. Marvel>DC any day of the week. Overall, I will still agree with you that Marvel is better....but DC is on their tail, especially in the comic book world. In fact, right now DC is KILLING it in their books and Marvel is in the utter crapter. Marvel has the fantastic Secret Empire story that just had an amazing wrap in issue 10 (no spoilers). It really put the entire story together in a nice neat bow and develops several plot points for the future of the Marvel Universe. It will stand as one of the most important stories to ever hit the Marvel Universe like original Secret Wars, Civil War and Infinity Gauntlet. Eventhough I did not like the very end when you know who gave up you know what and you know what and the PC Marvel Universe continues. UGH! Marvel is also doing good work with Astonishing X-Men, which is only 2 issues in. But classic books like Hulk, Iron Man, Thor, Captain America and now The Punisher are going down the ing toilet. Marvel is exchanging our heroes and amazing stories for a personal political leftist PC social justice stance. In the case of The Punisher...its not even PC...its just dumb. DC is putting out provacative stories. Have you read Superman/Action Comics? Since Rebirth, Superman is putting out OUTSTANDING stories. Not since the 90s have I read this much Superman awesomeness. Batman, even though being flooded with a Bat roster that absurdly too large, still has an interesting story with Metal. Aquaman...HOLY crap! While I enjoyed a small portion of him in the New 52 run...starting with issue 25, Aquaman is outstanding. Justice League started hot...but recently has dipped. Unlike Marvel, DC isnt using establish characters and changing their sex or skin color. In order to create a more diverse universe, DC is using creativity (I know...what a shocker) and are creating and establishing new heroes. Anyone reading Superwoman? She is one of my favorites in the DC world. Lana Lang has powers! An established character that obtains super powers and ties into the Superman books and plays a role in the Rebirth. THATS how you create a more diverse universe. Asian superhero anyone? See Kong Keenan in New Superman. They didnt change Clark Kent to some Japanese girl eating sushi in her home of Tokyo and now is Superman of Metropolis. No, they developed a unique take on a troubled teenager that suddenly has come into having his own powers. THATS how its done.
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Post by Darkhawk on Sept 2, 2017 20:01:59 GMT -5
Alright guys I think it's time to end the debate, both lines are totally different and unique to their own.
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Post by Robert69 on Sept 3, 2017 0:52:27 GMT -5
The Butterfly joints is the ugliest looking joint ever made. And double elbows never look correct when the arms are bent. As for multiple hands/wrist articulation I am 50 years old and just display my figures in basic vanilla heroic poses. So they really aren't needed for me. And DCUC did have hinged wrists on their archer figures. I will say I do wish Mattel would have kept (and improved) the ankle rockers their DCSH line had and given us multiple heads for their DCUC Batman (one cowled and one unmasked), but he is really the only one. But at the end of the day I still like the overall look of DCUC figures more than ML. And Id say Im the same way as for vanilla poses and I even leave some mint in box, but I can still see a plus with the extra range of movement and interchangable parts. I think Kollector_Kombat and Robert69 would agree at least too. I love WWE Elites and DC Multiverse, but wish they could both be more like Marvel Legends with the hands and heads at least. Wont necessarily add much to the debate, but I collect a pretty wide range of figs... Mattel WWE (mainly Balor Elites at this point) NECA Predator figs Hasbro Marvel Legends Hasbro Power Rangers Legacy Funko POP Vinyls Bandai America Dragon Ball Super Stars figs and have the first two DC Essentials figs pre-ordered. That said, I gauge quality on a few aspects: Fandom, articulation, consistency, cost, accessories. Funk POPs are the most consistent toy line I know of. Period. These things CHURN out, and for being HYPER-basic "figures", they're always decent for resembling the characters they're based on, etc. It's really impressive, actually. As for cost -- probably have to give that to the DBS Stars figures. $20 a fig, and they're just about equal in quality to SH Figuarts figs. On the rest of them, Marvel Legends takes the cake. The ONLY reason I'm picking up collecting the DCE line is because after seeing them at SDCC, they're becoming more similar to MLs. Now, to be fair, I'm MUCH more a Marvel fan than I am DC, but the last couple DC figs I've bought just don't feel worth the money, overall. For me, strictly in personal opinion, comparing the current DC figs to MLs is sort of like comparing Jakks to Mattel WWE figs. The former aren't bad in and of themselves, but the latter? Are just exceptional for what I want. PS: Also, yes, there will be roughly 8 waves of MLs released this year, plus a half-dozen store exclusives. That sort of consistent strong release schedule is incredible.
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Post by ARUN on Sept 3, 2017 13:07:37 GMT -5
Went to fanexpo this weekend. Got Famke Janssen to sign this for me.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Sept 3, 2017 19:08:54 GMT -5
I am SO suspicious of Funko Pops. I cant believe that they have all these licensing rights for all these brands, even competitors to one another. Not to mention they are absolutely HIDEOUS looking. They definitely churn them out, but I dont know how. Licensing rights can take years to secure, especially with a company like DC who is SOOOO protective of their intellectual property...especially Batman. Funko seems to do it in months.
Nonetheless, I see them as nothing more than a modern day Beanie Babies. Soon they will appear at a Garage sale near you in the 10 cent bin.
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Post by kennyw86 on Sept 3, 2017 20:28:16 GMT -5
I am SO suspicious of Funko Pops. I cant believe that they have all these licensing rights for all these brands, even competitors to one another. Not to mention they are absolutely HIDEOUS looking. They definitely churn them out, but I dont know how. Licensing rights can take years to secure, especially with a company like DC who is SOOOO protective of their intellectual property...especially Batman. Funko seems to do it in months. Nonetheless, I see them as nothing more than a modern day Beanie Babies. Soon they will appear at a Garage sale near you in the 10 cent bin. I can understand if you dont like them, but wtf are you 'suspicious' about? Its not like they are making them illegally and selling them in every major store in the ing world.
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