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Post by Dangerously on Oct 1, 2013 21:33:53 GMT -5
I'm new to the forum and I'm not all that sure how often this topic is discussed, but the return of the brand split is long overdue. As often as we're getting a watchable Smackdown! lately (I highly enjoyed last weeks), it was a fluke watch on my behalf and I barely tune in. I started watching Raw in 2004 and it took me a good two months to even acknowledge that Smackdown existed. I remember tuning in, having to learn and emotionally invest in an entirely new roster and stories. Both titles, the World Heavyweight Championship and the WWE Championship felt equally important (Before the Big Gold reverted to an upper-midcard title that honestly means jack all) and we had enough big stars to successfully have brand-themed pay-per-views (That, in the process, made the joint-brand pay-per-views seem much bigger and important).
With all the talent we have brewing in NXT, I'm sure we could fill Smackdown! with entertaining and time worthy television. We have two good general managers, both with unique and exciting personalities and watching a draft lottery with Vickie and Maddox's history would be hella fun. The night after Wrestlemania 30 would be the perfect night to do it. Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2013 23:37:01 GMT -5
At this point I don't even care cause I just watch RAW and NXT. All important stuff happens on RAW. No need to watch SmackDown.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Oct 1, 2013 23:47:16 GMT -5
Smackdown is Raw 1.5, right down to the fact that you get literally the same content for 70 of the 120 minutes.
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Post by Dangerously on Oct 2, 2013 1:00:05 GMT -5
Yepyep, and that's why it needs to be changed!
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Post by Thick Justice on Oct 2, 2013 1:06:06 GMT -5
I have enjoyed the last several smackdowns actually. Honestly they don't have enough drawing power for 2 shows. Cena and Daniel Bryan and Orton and Punk on Raw. That would leave Smackdown with the likes of Alberto Del Rio, Cody Rhodes, Damian Sandow, Big Show.
I like it how it is. Although I think they should merge the 2 world titles together and move the IC up to the value of what the WHC was. Then bring in the European Title.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Oct 2, 2013 1:26:20 GMT -5
No...There are not enough superstars to fill both shows. That's why the brand split sucked from 2007 on...There wasn't enough quality talent to fill out the shows.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 1:57:19 GMT -5
The brand split needs to come back. However, I think the idea of making RAW and SD equal again is dead. Yhe best thing they can do is unify the titles and let Raw be the main eventer show and let SD be the midcarder show. All the top talents like Orton, Bryan, and Punk, can work on Raw, all the midcarders like Ryder, Santino, the Prime Time Players, 3MB, etc. can work on SmackDown, and "important midcarders" like Miz, Ziggler, Shield, etc. can work both shows.
The King of the Ring tournament should come back. I think that WWE should have an assortment of non-championship accolades to help put stars over. King of the Ring, Money in the Bank, The Royal Rumble, and The Slammys would all suffice in this role.
WWE should bring back the European Championship. It would give a lot of low card wrestlers something to do. The U.S Title could work in this role, but because of the U.S. Belt historically being a #2 title , it would be a huge downgrade for that title, and thus the U.S. belt should be retired and laid to rest rather than being carried around by lower carders or being stuck in limbo by being given to guys who are booked to be "too good" for the division and can only fight main eventers who will obviously never win the belt (like Dean Ambrose)
Also WWE should bring back the Hardcore Championship. While weapon littered blood baths would not be possible in the PG era, WWE has shown that they are capable of putting on decent gimmick matches with a PG rating. Also, WWE could possibly consider unofficially making the Hardcore title the new high flyer belt, so that the high flyers can wail on each other with tables and ladders.
Ultimately the title scene should consist of
WWE Title: main eventers IC Title: Upper midcarders and "lower main eventers" European Title: midcard, lower midcard Hardcore Title: Lower midcard and the occasional upper midcard guy
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Post by JC Motors on Oct 2, 2013 9:03:42 GMT -5
SmackDown needs to be revamped badly. I rarely watch it
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 15:25:59 GMT -5
I watch Smackdown, Raw and NXT every week. I watch Superstars and Main Event most weeks. There is enough talent to fill two distinct rosters. The brand split NEEDS to return.
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Post by ryan93 on Oct 2, 2013 20:32:44 GMT -5
With WWE's huge roster along with NXT having 30+ superstars on it they could easily pull this off. WWE just doesn't manage their time very well and would still leave off superstars. If they do this they need to go back to branded PPVs so more than just 6 to 10 superstars from each brand gets to wrestle. I know some of those PPVs had some poor matches, but with the talented mid-carders it would provide for many great matches. It would also force more feuds which would actually give some mid-carders a reason for being on television for more than just jobbing.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 2, 2013 20:45:37 GMT -5
They need to bring back a legit brand split where the rosters stay exclusive to each show. Unify the WWE and World Titles and have one world champ going between both shows. Same w/ the tag titles. IC Title can be exclusive to Raw and the US Title exclusive to SD. Make SD live. The rosters for each brand should be something like...
Raw - Cena - Orton - Sheamus - The Shield - Miz - Cody Rhodes - RVD - Big Show - Mark Henry - 3MB - Ryback - Curtis Axel - Tons of Funk - R-Truth
SmackDown - Punk - Bryan - Ziggler - Christian - Real Americans - Damien Sandow - Prime Time Players - ADR - Wyatt Family - Kane - Tyson Kidd - Los Matadors
This way Raw is more of a storyline driven show while SD is a more in-ring driven show, similar to 2002/3.
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Post by Dangerously on Oct 2, 2013 22:08:17 GMT -5
They need to bring back a legit brand split where the rosters stay exclusive to each show. Unify the WWE and World Titles and have one world champ going between both shows. Same w/ the tag titles. IC Title can be exclusive to Raw and the US Title exclusive to SD. Make SD live. The rosters for each brand should be something like... Raw - Cena - Orton - Sheamus - The Shield - Miz - Cody Rhodes - RVD - Big Show - Mark Henry - 3MB - Ryback - Curtis Axel - Tons of Funk - R-Truth SmackDown - Punk - Bryan - Ziggler - Christian - Real Americans - Damien Sandow - Prime Time Players - ADR - Wyatt Family - Kane - Tyson Kidd - Los Matadors This way Raw is more of a storyline driven show while SD is a more in-ring driven show, similar to 2002/3. And surely with their own show, the mid-carders who constantly get buried on Raw'd get the opportunity to get over. More stars, better pay-per-views.
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Post by RybackV1 on Oct 2, 2013 22:32:13 GMT -5
Oh no no no 100% no. I'm not sure why everybody is obsessed with the thought of bringing back the brand split but it was terrible and it was much better the way things are now. Raw has 3 hours and and smack down has two. Not to mention the hour of main event. That's more than enough programming per week to showcase all the talent necessary.
All bringing back the brand split would do is make them try to showcase second rate feuds and matches that no one cares about. Smack down would suffer greatly. Does anyone not remember the embarrassingly bad brand only ppvs?! God help anyone who wants those back.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 2, 2013 22:36:01 GMT -5
I'm new to the forum and I'm not all that sure how often this topic is discussed, but the return of the brand split is long overdue. False. WWE doesn't have the main-event roster to sustain two separate brands.
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Post by Dangerously on Oct 2, 2013 22:41:53 GMT -5
I'm new to the forum and I'm not all that sure how often this topic is discussed, but the return of the brand split is long overdue. False. WWE doesn't have the main-event roster to sustain two separate brands. But surely with the handful of promising stars we have over at NXT, it wouldn't take all that long to build them?
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 2, 2013 22:45:07 GMT -5
False. WWE doesn't have the main-event roster to sustain two separate brands. But surely with the handful of promising stars we have over at NXT, it wouldn't take all that long to build them? If WWE could build two brands worth of main event stars, we'd still have two brands.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2013 22:57:19 GMT -5
But surely with the handful of promising stars we have over at NXT, it wouldn't take all that long to build them? If WWE could build two brands worth of main event stars, we'd still have two brands. In a way, they DID have two brands worth of main event stars, or at least guys that they were trying to pass off as "main eventers". John Cena CM Punk Randy Orton Sheamus Daniel Bryan Kane Alberto Del Rio Big Show Mark Henry Christian Dolph Ziggler Ryback The Miz Rey Mysterio Those are all the guys who WWE tries to present as "top tier" + your on and off guys like RVD and Jericho. With NO Brand Split, that's just too many "top level" guys. And WWE feels that all of these talents HAVE to be on TV or PPV every week/month, and the only time you don't see them is if they're injured. Because so many of them HAVE to be on TV every week, that leaves little room for the midcard, who are usually stuck as jobbers or non-entities (or in Alex Riley's case, on commentary). Splitting the brands would ensure that more talent gets TV time. Imo the brands don't have to be equal, but WWE needs to figure out how to manage their time so that the top guys aren't over exposed, and the lower level guys also get a chance to get over.
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Post by Lk™ on Oct 2, 2013 22:59:57 GMT -5
brand split needs to come back
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Oct 2, 2013 23:21:29 GMT -5
If WWE could build two brands worth of main event stars, we'd still have two brands. In a way, they DID have two brands worth of main event stars At one time, yes. At the time they ended the brand split, no. That's why they ended it... Because WWE does not currently have the roster depth to have two completely separate rosters sufficiently filling both a three-hour Monday show and a two-hour Friday show every week. If they did, those rosters would be separate. The list you posted is by no means accurate. If the likes of Christian and Dolph Ziggler were capable of carrying a brand, there would still be a brand split. The reality of the situation is that guys like Christian and Ziggler are nowhere near able to carry a brand, but do add some value to both Raw and Smackdown. Same for most of the roster. The depth just isn't there to take decent guys off Raw, so any brand split now would result in Smackdown only having the scrubs. And Smackdown wouldn't survive long on Yoshi Tatsu vs JTG main events.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2013 14:44:09 GMT -5
There's not enough people on the main roster, so split them up into 2 brands, and they can choose the best from NXT to go to SmackDown. People like Sami Zayn, CJ Parker, Corey Graves, and more i'm missing. My point is, they need to be more recognised, they need to get out of NXT so make them go to SmackDown. and sign new talent on NXT. and if they're good enough on SmackDown, they could even get themselves on RAW! So there you go, there's a brand split, and the NXT superstars have their time to shine! Win-Win situation!
and also, I would actually start watching SmackDown if it had it's own roster.
...and maybe if it was live.
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