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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 20:21:57 GMT -5
Thought this could make some good conversation. I never liked what he did to Cappotelli. It was pretty uncalled for to just beat the crap out of an untrained kid, just to make a point about the business. I always thought it was bullcrap, and I bet Maven's opinion would have been different had he been the one getting the crap beat out of him. After rewatching it on youtube, it pissed me off even more than originally.
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Post by Punk on Oct 16, 2013 20:32:45 GMT -5
I watched a match he had with Jericho from early 2000 yesterday.... They beat the hell out of each other.
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Oct 16, 2013 23:30:20 GMT -5
I said it before and I'll say it again. Hardcore Holly is NOT a bully.
People like to believe that he took advantage of others, tried to make Brock look bad, and beat the hell out of Tough Enough contestants. I think all of that is a bunch of crap. The guy was a locker room enforcer. He was a tough veteran who respected the business and expected everyone else to do the same.
I always found it funny how people hated Bob for being a bully, but guys like Vader, Dynamite Kid, and the Steiner Brothers are all respected for their "stiff" work. Horrendous double-standard.
The WWE could use a few more Hardcore Holly's today.
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Post by slappy on Oct 16, 2013 23:33:28 GMT -5
I said it before and I'll say it again. Hardcore Holly is NOT a bully. People like to believe that he took advantage of others, tried to make Brock look bad, and beat the hell out of Tough Enough contestants. I think all of that is a bunch of crap. The guy was a locker room enforcer. He was a tough veteran who respected the business and expected everyone else to do the same. I always found it funny how people hated Bob for being a bully, but guys like Vader, Dynamite Kid, and the Steiner Brothers are all respected for their "stiff" work. Horrendous double-standard. The WWE could use a few more Hardcore Holly's today. Dynamite is an bunghole. There is a difference between working stiff and working stiff to purposefully hurt your opponent/send a message. |
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Post by TheEvilDoink1987 on Oct 16, 2013 23:47:18 GMT -5
I said it before and I'll say it again. Hardcore Holly is NOT a bully. People like to believe that he took advantage of others, tried to make Brock look bad, and beat the hell out of Tough Enough contestants. I think all of that is a bunch of crap. The guy was a locker room enforcer. He was a tough veteran who respected the business and expected everyone else to do the same. I always found it funny how people hated Bob for being a bully, but guys like Vader, Dynamite Kid, and the Steiner Brothers are all respected for their "stiff" work. Horrendous double-standard. The WWE could use a few more Hardcore Holly's today. Dynamite is an bunghole. There is a difference between working stiff and working stiff to purposefully hurt your opponent/send a message. There is a difference and I believe that Holly never crossed that line unless it was warranted. Dynamite, for as great as he was, will go down as the biggest bully wrestling has ever seen. He'd intentionally hurt guys and I've read some of the cruel "ribs" he used to pull. Audience of one for sure. Seeing as how he ended up broke and broken, Bret said that Dynamite embodied the phrase "what goes around comes around." |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 2:43:04 GMT -5
Dynamite Kid broke Foley's jaw (on purpose). He's definitely one of the biggest bullies ever.
Also according to Bret's book, Scott Steiner used to spit on Dink...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 10:13:26 GMT -5
I've heard Bradshaw was worse which just amazes me.
How the hell do lower card (at the time) guys like Bob Holly and Justin Bradshaw have so much stroke backstage where they can just treat people like sh*t? I will never understand it. Holly and Bradshaw were just lucky to be on the roster themselves during that time.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2013 10:21:45 GMT -5
man.....they were WWF "Loyalists" who put people to the test to see were they worthy!!
Dudleys,Public Enemy etc felt this crap too.
my question was what made them so loyal?NOBODY wanted these two sh*tbirds in the first place.as Bash says they were lucky to be even on the roster at the time.
so yeah I don't get it either.
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Post by Captain McKay on Oct 17, 2013 11:41:19 GMT -5
man.....they were WWF "Loyalists" who put people to the test to see were they worthy!! Dudleys,Public Enemy etc felt this crap too. my question was what made them so loyal?NOBODY wanted these two sh*tbirds in the first place.as Bash says they were lucky to be even on the roster at the time. so yeah I don't get it either. I've always heard the same thing about those guys. Never understood how they were employed during the mid-late '90s before their Hardcore Holly/Acolyte gimmicks. That all said, I still feel good every time I think of Bradshaw backstage trying to rough up Steve Blackman. Mistake. |
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Post by Himmy! on Oct 17, 2013 11:58:04 GMT -5
Didn't Bob Holly say he wanted to fight Lesnar in UFC on one of his shoots? That would have been hilarious...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 11:20:36 GMT -5
I know this thread is old but I just finished reading Hardcores book and brings up the incident on Tough Enough. In his words(paraphrased),he felt Cappatelli just thought it'd be cool to be on a reality show and he wanted to test this. His words not mine.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 11:28:01 GMT -5
To be fair, Holly must have been pretty tough. He's the only guy in the BFA that Bart didn't knock out.
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Post by jason1980s on Dec 18, 2013 13:22:15 GMT -5
I said it before and I'll say it again. Hardcore Holly is NOT a bully. People like to believe that he took advantage of others, tried to make Brock look bad, and beat the hell out of Tough Enough contestants. I think all of that is a bunch of crap. The guy was a locker room enforcer. He was a tough veteran who respected the business and expected everyone else to do the same. I always found it funny how people hated Bob for being a bully, but guys like Vader, Dynamite Kid, and the Steiner Brothers are all respected for their "stiff" work. Horrendous double-standard. The WWE could use a few more Hardcore Holly's today. The difference with Holly and Vader, Steiners and Dynamite is that the latter four were actually assets to their company. No excuse for stiffing jobbers or newcomers but still, the guys earned their spot by being some of the very best, athletic, entertaining guys. Holly was just an extra with a gimmick on scale with Red Rooster. It's too bad Matt Capoletti didn't have the insight that Blue Meanie had, in attempting to bring about a lawsuit. Holly's abuse was clearly on tape and wasn't the effect of being drunk during a brawl like Bradshaw. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 18, 2013 22:08:50 GMT -5
man.....they were WWF "Loyalists" who put people to the test to see were they worthy!! Dudleys,Public Enemy etc felt this crap too. my question was what made them so loyal?NOBODY wanted these two sh*tbirds in the first place.as Bash says they were lucky to be even on the roster at the time. so yeah I don't get it either. This. Its not like ECW and WCW were knocking down doors to get guys like Bradshaw and Holly (though Bischoff would hae probably given them each a few million to do nothing). They were both lower card guys during the biggest boom period in wrestling history yet they both had a ton of stroke behind the scenes and were two of the members of the supposed "wrestler's court" in the locker room. I remember reading the Bradshaw even tried messing with Ken Shamrock around the time Ken first joined the WWF and Bradshaw ended up getting his a** kicked. All I can say is that at least Bradshaw morphed into one of the top heels in the WWE post-Attitude Era. The guy has a great character. Holly has always been a midcarder at best. His push to the main event against Brock failed and in an era where titles were passed around like hot potatoes the guy couldn't even win the IC or US Title once. His nitch was being a bad a** in the hardcore division and once the WWE did away with that he never seemed to fit with the "modern" WWE look. |
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Post by Roman Bellic on Dec 18, 2013 23:17:16 GMT -5
i love me some bob-core. was my fave
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Post by Captain McKay on Dec 18, 2013 23:29:09 GMT -5
man.....they were WWF "Loyalists" who put people to the test to see were they worthy!! Dudleys,Public Enemy etc felt this crap too. my question was what made them so loyal?NOBODY wanted these two sh*tbirds in the first place.as Bash says they were lucky to be even on the roster at the time. so yeah I don't get it either. This. Its not like ECW and WCW were knocking down doors to get guys like Bradshaw and Holly (though Bischoff would hae probably given them each a few million to do nothing). They were both lower card guys during the biggest boom period in wrestling history yet they both had a ton of stroke behind the scenes and were two of the members of the supposed "wrestler's court" in the locker room. I remember reading the Bradshaw even tried messing with Ken Shamrock around the time Ken first joined the WWF and Bradshaw ended up getting his a** kicked.
All I can say is that at least Bradshaw morphed into one of the top heels in the WWE post-Attitude Era. The guy has a great character. Holly has always been a midcarder at best. His push to the main event against Brock failed and in an era where titles were passed around like hot potatoes the guy couldn't even win the IC or US Title once. His nitch was being a bad a** in the hardcore division and once the WWE did away with that he never seemed to fit with the "modern" WWE look. Hadn't heard this, but I do remember reading about Steve Blackman setting Bradshaw straight on one occasion. But to your point, and what I initially wrote a while back in this thread, how Holly and Bradshaw even had jobs in 1998 WWF I'll never understand. |
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Post by Duck Holliday on Dec 19, 2013 4:14:45 GMT -5
I always liked Bob, but I think his attitude was borderline bullyish. Sometimes you need a bully, and I think that it can be ok. As a few others have said, working stiff isn't the same as kicking the crap out of someone because you feel the need to prove a point.
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Post by mikey1974 on Dec 20, 2013 15:54:25 GMT -5
Honestly... I think Vince gets off on this stuff. the kind of rowdy boys/frathouse atmosphere. look at the Flight from Hell. look at all the stories of hazing over the DECADES that happened in the locker room. deep down,Vince really wants to be "one of the boys",and let's them do this type of stuff because he enjoys it.
there was a story,a few years back,that when John Morrison found out his girlfriend at the time Melina was cheating on him with Batista,everyone expected a big fight to erupt between Morrison and Batista. when John didn't confront him,or even try to get into a physical altercation with Batista,it was said that in Vince's eyes John's stock dropped significantly, and he was never booked in a successful way again. if this is true,then it says that Vince was upset that 2 of his employees didn't get into an actual,real fight at work,and that the employee who was expected to throw the first punch was punished for not doing so. that should give you some insight into the psyche of Vincent K. McMahon. then again,this is the guy who thought it was a great idea to do a storyline of his first grandaughter being conceived due to an incestuous sexual relationship between Vince and his daughter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2013 5:16:09 GMT -5
Honestly... I think Vince gets off on this stuff. the kind of rowdy boys/frathouse atmosphere. look at the Flight from Hell. look at all the stories of hazing over the DECADES that happened in the locker room. deep down,Vince really wants to be "one of the boys",and let's them do this type of stuff because he enjoys it. there was a story,a few years back,that when John Morrison found out his girlfriend at the time Melina was cheating on him with Batista,everyone expected a big fight to erupt between Morrison and Batista. when John didn't confront him,or even try to get into a physical altercation with Batista,it was said that in Vince's eyes John's stock dropped significantly, and he was never booked in a successful way again. if this is true,then it says that Vince was upset that 2 of his employees didn't get into an actual,real fight at work,and that the employee who was expected to throw the first punch was punished for not doing so. that should give you some insight into the psyche of Vincent K. McMahon. then again,this is the guy who thought it was a great idea to do a storyline of his first grandaughter being conceived due to an incestuous sexual relationship between Vince and his daughter. and Ill tell ya this......I still don't believe Steph vetoed it.no matter what she says. |
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Post by Next Man’s Knowing Rock on Dec 25, 2013 5:28:06 GMT -5
Yup, he was a bully. Just like Benoit and JBL. At least Bradshaw had a personality, though.
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