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Post by Brad on Oct 22, 2013 12:33:38 GMT -5
That's about it really. I'm sorry but Cena (when not champion) should not be main eventing above the WWE title JUST because he's Cena. Can I get a high five? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 12:45:54 GMT -5
Keeping on the subject of 'titles putting superstars over' or 'superstars putting titles over', I think Ziggler is an interesting case in regards to his short lived WHC reign. It relates to the point where WWE is now using the title to get superstars over.
I feel like he was extremely over with the crowd to the point where the title on him didn't add to that overness, so they took it away from him. Rather than have someone already over carry the belt, they'd rather put it back on Del Rio who, without the belt, is rather irrelevant.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 12:59:57 GMT -5
Keeping on the subject of 'titles putting superstars over' or 'superstars putting titles over', I think Ziggler is an interesting case in regards to his short lived WHC reign. It relates to the point where WWE is now using the title to get superstars over. I feel like he was extremely over with the crowd to the point where the title on him didn't add to that overness, so they took it away from him. Rather than have someone already over carry the belt, they'd rather put it back on Del Rio who, without the belt, is rather irrelevant. Well it looks like Cena NEEDS to have the belt now. You know...he really NEEDS the push. They really NEED to make a new star with this young up and coming Cena guy. |
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Post by Brad on Oct 22, 2013 13:24:12 GMT -5
Keeping on the subject of 'titles putting superstars over' or 'superstars putting titles over', I think Ziggler is an interesting case in regards to his short lived WHC reign. It relates to the point where WWE is now using the title to get superstars over. I feel like he was extremely over with the crowd to the point where the title on him didn't add to that overness, so they took it away from him. Rather than have someone already over carry the belt, they'd rather put it back on Del Rio who, without the belt, is rather irrelevant. That belt still hasn't put Del Rio over so that point falls flat really. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 13:35:14 GMT -5
Keeping on the subject of 'titles putting superstars over' or 'superstars putting titles over', I think Ziggler is an interesting case in regards to his short lived WHC reign. It relates to the point where WWE is now using the title to get superstars over. I feel like he was extremely over with the crowd to the point where the title on him didn't add to that overness, so they took it away from him. Rather than have someone already over carry the belt, they'd rather put it back on Del Rio who, without the belt, is rather irrelevant. That belt still hasn't put Del Rio over so that point falls flat really. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that without the belt, Del Rio is irrelevant. You're not going to talk about Del Rio because you want to see him, you're going to talk about Del Rio because of his association with the WHC. |
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Post by SuperJimmy12345 on Oct 22, 2013 13:42:50 GMT -5
The only time either the WWE/WHC title shouldn't main event is the Royal Rumble, no excuse any other time.
The world title and the WWE title should take turns to main event the PPV's depending on what's the bigger story at that moment.
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Post by Brad on Oct 22, 2013 13:48:00 GMT -5
That belt still hasn't put Del Rio over so that point falls flat really. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that without the belt, Del Rio is irrelevant. You're not going to talk about Del Rio because you want to see him, you're going to talk about Del Rio because of his association with the WHC. While that is true the simple fact is that Del Rio shouldn't have the title in the first place. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 13:52:29 GMT -5
That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that without the belt, Del Rio is irrelevant. You're not going to talk about Del Rio because you want to see him, you're going to talk about Del Rio because of his association with the WHC. While that is true the simple fact is that Del Rio shouldn't have the title in the first place. I don't disagree with you there. I was just using him and Ziggler as an example of trying to use the belt to push a superstar over using a superstar to push a belt. |
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Post by Greensborohill on Oct 22, 2013 13:57:12 GMT -5
If you build someone properly, the titles become the story line. Take Demolition for example. The look, the squashes, the unbeatable aura. . . going into WM4, everyone hoped and prayed that they wouldn't beat Strike Force, and when they did, it was 15 months of hoping and praying for a team to come along that could match their sheer power and take the titles from them. That's making a title have meaning.
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Post by wyleecyotee on Oct 22, 2013 14:10:09 GMT -5
^^^ same with JBL, he made the title mean a lot in smackdown whilst it was the b show and it actually helped him go over a JBL rather than a tag team/ lower card guy in Bradshaw.
The problem is also with fans, I remember growing up and if my guy had a belt (any belt) then it was a special thing you savoured and was just an awesome sight where as today (Ziggler the main example) if there favourite isn't champion then he is being buried and jobbed and will be fired soon.
There also isn't a big build up to titles like before, Benoit winning at Mania XX was awesome and JR putting over his 18 years of wrestling to just become a world champion really added to it.
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Post by Greensborohill on Oct 22, 2013 14:16:38 GMT -5
That is a good point. The JBL title reign was very impressive for this day and age.
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 22, 2013 14:27:47 GMT -5
Going off what some others are saying another big problem today is that when someone isn't holding the WWE Title they are stuck in neutral. The WWE never invests in the midcard and there is no reason to care about the guys who aren't fighting for the WWE Title or the Undertaker during WM season. Even the guys holding the WHC, IC Title, and the US Title have nothing going for them. Because of that not only do the stars momentum get killed but the titles are useless as well. I'd still like to ask the WWE writers how Curtis Axel doing nothing w/ the IC Title for months or Ambrose barely defending the US Title for months helps the star or the title...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2013 15:39:24 GMT -5
Jesus there are so many great posts here i cant quote them all.....well done to all.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Oct 22, 2013 15:56:32 GMT -5
I agree with most of you that in theory the title always should be the best feud in theory. But that's just not possible, as it would get repetitive, and so I'm just arguing that people shouldn't be so worried when it doesn't main event. If there's a bigger match then the title shouldn't have a God-given right to go on last, as all that will do will just be to mess up the running order and make the fans care less about the title than they otherwise would've, as they've already seen the main attraction.
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Post by Brad on Oct 22, 2013 21:52:31 GMT -5
Going off what some others are saying another big problem today is that when someone isn't holding the WWE Title they are stuck in neutral. The WWE never invests in the midcard and there is no reason to care about the guys who aren't fighting for the WWE Title or the Undertaker during WM season. Even the guys holding the WHC, IC Title, and the US Title have nothing going for them. Because of that not only do the stars momentum get killed but the titles are useless as well. I'd still like to ask the WWE writers how Curtis Axel doing nothing w/ the IC Title for months or Ambrose barely defending the US Title for months helps the star or the title... Great post |
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Post by mikey1974 on Oct 23, 2013 5:25:41 GMT -5
Going off what some others are saying another big problem today is that when someone isn't holding the WWE Title they are stuck in neutral. The WWE never invests in the midcard and there is no reason to care about the guys who aren't fighting for the WWE Title or the Undertaker during WM season. Even the guys holding the WHC, IC Title, and the US Title have nothing going for them. Because of that not only do the stars momentum get killed but the titles are useless as well. I'd still like to ask the WWE writers how Curtis Axel doing nothing w/ the IC Title for months or Ambrose barely defending the US Title for months helps the star or the title...  considering how stacked the mid-card is - Ziggler,Miz,Barrett,Cesaro,Sin Cara,Ryder,Christian,Kofi,Ambrose,Fandango,Big E, Axel,Brodus,Khali, McIntyre,Slater,Mahal,Gabriel,Santino,Tyson Kidd,and when they come back Mysterio and Bourne - the US and IC titles should be hot potatoes, defended on every show with a lot of viable contenders. |
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Post by robbutler01 on Oct 29, 2013 13:44:59 GMT -5
Going off what some others are saying another big problem today is that when someone isn't holding the WWE Title they are stuck in neutral. The WWE never invests in the midcard and there is no reason to care about the guys who aren't fighting for the WWE Title or the Undertaker during WM season. Even the guys holding the WHC, IC Title, and the US Title have nothing going for them. Because of that not only do the stars momentum get killed but the titles are useless as well. I'd still like to ask the WWE writers how Curtis Axel doing nothing w/ the IC Title for months or Ambrose barely defending the US Title for months helps the star or the title... Couldn't agree more! If the WWE wont invest in it stars why should the fans. The WHC feels like a mid card belt at best and the IC and US titles have become afterthoughts for the most part - can you imagine the IC title headlining Summerslam like it did in 92? I know this was down to the fact it was in the uk and the bulldog was in the match but a uk event with barrett in the ic title main event with cena, orton etc on the undercard? cant see it somehow! |
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Post by cordless2016 on Oct 29, 2013 23:06:23 GMT -5
Going off what some others are saying another big problem today is that when someone isn't holding the WWE Title they are stuck in neutral. The WWE never invests in the midcard and there is no reason to care about the guys who aren't fighting for the WWE Title or the Undertaker during WM season. Even the guys holding the WHC, IC Title, and the US Title have nothing going for them. Because of that not only do the stars momentum get killed but the titles are useless as well. I'd still like to ask the WWE writers how Curtis Axel doing nothing w/ the IC Title for months or Ambrose barely defending the US Title for months helps the star or the title... Couldn't agree more! If the WWE wont invest in it stars why should the fans. The WHC feels like a mid card belt at best and the IC and US titles have become afterthoughts for the most part - can you imagine the IC title headlining Summerslam like it did in 92? I know this was down to the fact it was in the uk and the bulldog was in the match but a uk event with barrett in the ic title main event with cena, orton etc on the undercard? cant see it somehow! SummerSlam '92 was the peak of the IC Title IMO. It was at its most prestigious (Savage and Bret were the best IC Champs IMO) and we could buy it closing out a PPV. Today the IC Title isn't worthy of being on most PPVs, let alone main event one. I find it funny that holding the IC Title almost guaranteed that one would be a top star 20-30 years ago and today holding it means nothing. Savage walked around like he was the best in the business so the fans bought the title as on par with the WWF Title. Now we get Axel standing behind Heyman during promos and doing nothing else each week. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 23:17:32 GMT -5
When do you guys feel was the last time the IC title was valued?
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