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Post by ohernan6 on Oct 23, 2013 2:50:16 GMT -5
I haven't really felt like tuning in. There isn't anything big going down lately. For example:
They dropped the ball with Daniel Bryan and Randy Orton
I hate that they kept doing the false wins for Bryan so many times after Summerslam. It's like the best time to pull the trigger on Bryan being champion has passed and if he wasn't going to have the title for this long, then they shouldn't have pulled it from Orton. I love Orton's heel character, but they needed to keep him as "the face of WWE" by having him as champion.
If I were booking: I would have let Summerslam play out exactly the way it did and have Orton reign as champ. Bryan would challenge, but continue to get foiled by HHH and Orton to the point where his last rematch would have the stip that he must win, or no more title matches for him. Then I'd have him lose (gotta figure out a way to keep him strong, though) and move on to a feud and match with HHH. Then have Bryan win the Royal Rumble and challenge Orton at Wrestlemania, where he will definitely have his biggest moment. Also, I would keep Big Show far away from any of this.
Which leads me to...
Why should anyone cheer Big Show?
He's a sellout who knocks out good people for a paycheck. And then he cries about it. If you knew anyone like that in real life, that person would be losing friends left and right.
If I were booking: Show should just turn heel. Have him say he never felt sorry for knocking out anybody and he'll do it again. Then have Cody Rhodes want revenge for his father, and elevate Rhodes by having him go over a meaningful feud with Show.
Then there's...
Ryback and Curtis Axel bringing Paul Heyman and CM Punk a few steps down
Let's face it. Heyman is managing two guys nobody believes in. Ryback (I liked him better as a face) is just not entertaining and nobody thinks Axel is championship material, even with him holding the IC belt. Then there's Punk. He went through wars with The Rock, John Cena, The Undertaker, Chris Jericho, and Brock Lesnar. He is a top dog for sure!
If I were booking: I would have had Heyman introduce the 3rd Heyman Guy - Yoshi Tatsu!! - just kidding... Rob Van Dam... Break off Ryback and Axel as Heyman's tag team and let RVD vs. Straight Edge write itself for months! Make this one of the greatest feuds ever.
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Other stuff that's boring: No Jericho, no RVD, no Christian, no Lesnar and where's Dolph? The Matadores are stupid. Cesaro, Swagger and Barrett deserve to win.
And to end positive, stuff I like: the Shield rocks. The Rhodes are entertaining. AJ Lee. Seeing Miz lose is always good. And the Shield rocks!
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What do you think? Also, what would you change?
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Post by BØRNS on Oct 23, 2013 3:04:51 GMT -5
I understand your frustrations. I'm not happy with the product at the moment, either.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 3:05:35 GMT -5
I disagree with you. I think the WWE is fantastic at the moment.
1. Randy Orton and The Authority vs. Daniel Bryan is one of the most entertaining feuds of the year.
2. I can honestly say, this is the first time I have cared about the Big Show in his WWE career. He is finally over and deservingly so.
3. I have no idea why people keep saying that [insert wrestler's name] is bringing down CM Punk. The other side of that coin is that CM Punk is elevating [insert wrestler's name].
4. Ziggler had a fantastic match with Orton on Raw and is feuding w/ Ambrose.
5. Jericho, Lesnar and RVD all chose to be part time.
6. Christian keeps getting injured, thats no ones fault. His body has taken a beating over the years.
7. The Real Americans and El Matadores are custom made for each other and I am looking forward to their feud.
8. I agree about Barrett, the Rhodes Brothers and The Shield.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 3:27:39 GMT -5
Bryan vs Orton got boring 5 mins into the feud.
I agree with most of this. They need to do something that makes you go "Holy crap! I gotta watch!" right now it's more of a "Yeah... It's wrestling... I guess I'll watch."
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Post by Arthur Speaks on Oct 23, 2013 4:54:37 GMT -5
Bryan vs Orton got boring 5 mins into the feud. I agree with most of this. They need to do something that makes you go "Holy crap! I gotta watch!" right now it's more of a "Yeah... It's wrestling... I guess I'll watch." I agree. I haven't been tuning in much at all since after SummerSlam. Last time this happened, I thought we would get a boring Payback, but it ended up being one of the best PPVs of the year. I hope Hell in a Cell doesn't disappoint because I actually feel a reason to watch now. I've heard great things about the Rhodes Brothers/Shield stuff so that tag team Triple Threat should be great. The Usos are apparently great workers also. I have to see if Cena can finally take that damn title off Del Rio. I have the feeling Brie is beating AJ. Punk should just win this match and move on to something else until Lesnar comes back. I wonder how good an Intercontinental Champion Langston can be. At least he seems to have more personality than Axel. |
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Post by slappy on Oct 23, 2013 7:32:32 GMT -5
I'm loving the main feud. Everyone is doing a great job. Orton, Stephanie, HHH, Shield, Bryan, Cody, Goldust and Big Show. Fantastic all around.
Love Los Matadores and 3MB.
I really enjoy Real Americans but they need to stop with the "Wow look Cesaro can swing big guys" schtick. That is a face spot not a heel spot. So either stop it or turn Cesaro.
I'm glad we don't have part-time guys like Jericho, RVD and Lesnar around. They've done nothing interesting in a long time.
What I'm disliking is:
The Punk/Heyman feud but Big E's involvement has me interested. Punk and Heyman need to stop feuding already, it's been so bad.
ADR is terrible.
Wyatt Family is boring me. Hopefully Kane hurries back and makes them interesting. Though that ring of fire match they had wasn't anything special.
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Post by noir on Oct 23, 2013 9:56:36 GMT -5
One thing they are doing well is actually using a good portion of the roster. Unfortunately this whole angle has been a giant cluster  with absolutely no direction. Curtis Axel sucks and is on TV wayyyy too much. He is one of the worst guys I've seen make it to wwe at a regular level. Paul Heymans new guy should have been Cesaro but that's another story. Big Show is the absolute worst person they could have used for this angle. He should be retired or putting over post-developmental guys, not overly exposed in the main event angle where we're meant to believe he's broke. Pretty much the only reason I'm watching right now is to see the rise of Big E Langston who is ing awesome. |
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Post by HVMMONS on Oct 23, 2013 10:16:30 GMT -5
I agree with you on some parts. I do admit, I'm not on the edge of my seat as much as I was maybe two months ago?
1. Orton/Bryan: this feud has gotten stale. I really don't have an opinion on it - it's lost my attention.
2. Big Show/HHH & Stephanie: Is it bad that I'm more interested in this fued more than the "top" feud going on feud right now? Show is so over right now, and he deserves it. I'm honestly glad Henry is injured, because I know I would NOT have enjoyed Show/Henry as a tag team.
3. Rhodes Family/The Shield: I have my "this is cool", and my "wow, this is boring" moments with this feud. Lately, I've been more interested. Not sure how they will incorporate The Uso's. Maybe have The Uso's win, go on to do their own thing, keeping The Rhodes & Shield feuding.
4. Punk/Heyman, Ryback & Axel: This feud is the worst feud going on in WWE at the moment. It's pretty boring, and the story behind it is way old. As most have said, whether it was Heyman's, or the Creative Team's idea to use "Being A Paul Heyman Guy" to get whoever over, is flat out dumb. They should've left it as Punk & Lesnar as the only "Paul Heyman Guys". Big E is also emerging into this feud. That makes me less interested even more.
5. Ziggler/Ambrose: ... They're feuding? Terrible story/build up in that case.
6. Wyatt's/Miz: It's not caught my eye as of yet. Hopefully it does, it has the potential of having a great storyline.
7. The rest: Eh
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Post by punksnotdead on Oct 23, 2013 10:42:45 GMT -5
I'm not going to complain about the Bryan, Big Show, or CM Punk angles too much. There is actually storyline involved with those feuds and that's worth something. None of them are perfect, but at least they are trying to keep us interested. The Rhodes vs Shield feud has been excellent so far, and it's easily been my favorite part of the show the last few weeks.
Outside of that though, WWE is a disaster. There is zero effort being put into anything else. So many meaningless matches with no backstory and no reasoning. So many guys just randomly winning and losing all the time and it's impossible for the audience to hook onto a guy or team if we don't know who they are or what they are fighting for during each match. We live in a world where WWE doesn't seem like they want to showoff a guys personality. Which is just really strange and it happens all the time with guys I genuinely enjoy. It's just frustrating and mostly just boring because it's so uninspired. Give these guys something to do from top to bottom. Every guy from Zack Ryder to John Cena should be out there trying to hook us in with a great story. I haven't seen that creatively from WWE in years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 10:49:42 GMT -5
Raw and Smackdown both bore me every week.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 10:50:09 GMT -5
With so much TV time (Raw, Main Event, Smackdown) every week, it just baffles me that they can't get everyone on the roster a storyline. As the previous post stated, there are so many guys that just don't get the time or day to show off there character and skills for us fans to enjoy. Seems as if the WWE can only focus on 3 to 4 storylines at once.
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Post by torriefan4life on Oct 23, 2013 11:05:18 GMT -5
I agree with pretty much everything you said. I have been finding it very hard to make it through Raw the past several weeks.
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Post by RollinsFan44 on Oct 23, 2013 11:07:41 GMT -5
Stale lately? Where have you been the past couple of years?
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Post by ohernan6 on Oct 23, 2013 12:00:37 GMT -5
I disagree with you. I think the WWE is fantastic at the moment. 1. Randy Orton and The Authority vs. Daniel Bryan is one of the most entertaining feuds of the year. 2. I can honestly say, this is the first time I have cared about the Big Show in his WWE career. He is finally over and deservingly so. 3. I have no idea why people keep saying that [insert wrestler's name] is bringing down CM Punk. The other side of that coin is that CM Punk is elevating [insert wrestler's name]. 4. Ziggler had a fantastic match with Orton on Raw and is feuding w/ Ambrose. 5. Jericho, Lesnar and RVD all chose to be part time. 6. Christian keeps getting injured, thats no ones fault. His body has taken a beating over the years. 7. The Real Americans and El Matadores are custom made for each other and I am looking forward to their feud. 8. I agree about Barrett, the Rhodes Brothers and The Shield. Can't argue with many of your opinions. Everyone has different tastes. But I don't think CM Punk is elevating anyone in that program right now. If anything, CM Punk was elevating Ryback when Punk was a heel and Ryback was a face. Now, I feel it's actually Heyman trying to do the elevation of Ryback and Axel, and I don't think it's working at all. Nobody is rushing to get any Axel merchandise, and although I think Ryback has potential, his character is being ruined with the same old bully gimmick, and this weird man-crush/beautiful man direction... I also understand #5 & #6 but it still sucks. |
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Post by Yambag Jones on Oct 23, 2013 12:40:38 GMT -5
No one is forcing you to watch. I don't think they've "blown" the Orton/Bryan feud. Granted, it's not how I would have done it but we haven't seen the end game yet. The CM Punk/Heyman feud has gone on a little long, but without it we wouldn't have seen Punk vs Lesnar at Summer Slam. Focus on the good stuff. Shield is still going strong, the Corporation angle is solid, Cesaro is getting close to a face push, and Ziggler will be back to relevance soon. Stay positive. It's still better than TNA...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2013 13:00:06 GMT -5
Been bored for years.
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Post by Last Trent Barreta Fan on Oct 23, 2013 14:05:15 GMT -5
I tuned out about an hour into this last Raw. Really nothing to keep my interest currently. Its the same guys in the hunt for titles. Can we get the Hardcore Championship back? It doesn't even HAVE to be violent. It would be something that would keep my interest. 24/7 rule, anybody can win. YOLO.
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Post by Escape The Rules on Oct 23, 2013 14:16:33 GMT -5
Compare it to last year's product and it's AMAZING. WWE was beyong boring 12 months ago, the Ryback/Punk feud was god awful.
I'm enjoying the WWE title scene, evil HHH, Rhodes/Goldust and I'm looking forward to Kane's return likely after Hell In A Cell. The product feels far more livelier than it did a year ago, last year they just felt completely lost.
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Post by Rule 30 on Oct 23, 2013 14:28:31 GMT -5
Only major problem with the WWE right is so many people have no direction. I honestly think that's their only problem.
Orton/Bryan/Authority/Show has been great and the crowd is eating it up, I can't remember the last time the crowd was so hot for a storyline. Punk/Heyman has been excellent, looking forward to the Hell in a Cell match on Sunday. John Cena might actually bring meaning back to the World Heavyweight Champions soon. The tag division is heating up again with the Rhodes, Usos, Shield, Real Americans, and etc. Big E is finally a face and might take the Intercontinental Championship soon. The future of the divas division is pretty promising with all the talent in NXT right now. If guys like Ziggler, Ambrose, Kofi, Miz, Wyatts (at least they're feuding with Miz now), Fandango, 3MB, Santino, and a few other could get some direction the product would be damn near perfect.
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Post by James on Oct 23, 2013 15:21:31 GMT -5
Big shows storyline is great...
The Orton vs Bryan thing is getting silly now; I don't know but that's just me.
I love how Cody and goldust are tag champs.
Love the tag division atm more than anything with the likes of the Wyatt family, Los matadores, real Americans etc.
And Big E...
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