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Post by McBlake on Oct 29, 2013 10:46:18 GMT -5
23 man shortlist for the Ballon d'Or has been revealed.
For me Hazard is the stand out. Stand out as in; the other 22 deserve their place, Hazard doesn't. Wouldn't even be my pick for Chelsea player. Insult to the likes of Vidal, di Maria and a lot of Dortmund players actually now thinking about it. Where's Reus and Gundagon for a start?
Anyway, this HAS to go to either Ribery or Ronaldo. I'm far from Messi's biggest fan, but even he himself must admit he simply doesn't deserve it this year. Ronaldo has outshone him in La Liga and Ribery has outshone him in the Champions League.
Tough one, but I'd have those two as 1st and 2nd with Ibrahimovic 3rd <3
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Post by attitudesback on Oct 29, 2013 10:53:14 GMT -5
Suarez and Hazard must be there to make the numbers up. No way in hell were they the best last year.
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Post by T on Oct 29, 2013 11:08:41 GMT -5
Definitely didn't vote for Bale. Ronaldo, Messi, Ribery should be the top 3 for me. Ibra may get a few more votes because of recent form, and Bale less votes for a similar reason.
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Post by Noza on Oct 29, 2013 11:12:58 GMT -5
Has to be Ronaldo.
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Post by RollinsFan44 on Oct 29, 2013 11:14:20 GMT -5
Messi.
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Post by AV1 on Oct 29, 2013 11:27:53 GMT -5
Ribery for me.
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Post by Himmy! on Oct 29, 2013 15:52:52 GMT -5
Ribery or Ibra for me.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Oct 29, 2013 17:53:23 GMT -5
God knows why Hazard is there.
Ronaldo for me. Ribery 2nd Messi 3rd.
It looks like Ribery will win - its nice that they've finally decided to give it to someone other than Messi, but its still a shame Sneijder and Ronaldo missed out when they deserved it in 2010 and 2012 respectively.
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Post by Y2J13 on Oct 29, 2013 18:11:24 GMT -5
Yeah, Hazard really shouldn't be there. Mata, maybe.
Anyway, Ronaldo just edges it over Messi and Ribery. He is the most important for his team.
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Post by Hammersmith Hardman on Oct 30, 2013 4:47:29 GMT -5
Ronaldo. Like it should of been for the past two years but atleast now it looks like he's outshone Messi in every way shape or form in terms of other people noticing it. I doubt he'll get it mind as Blatter was slagging him off. Ibra 2nd and Ribery 3rd for me.
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Post by sicko16 on Oct 30, 2013 8:11:38 GMT -5
Gotta go for Ronaldo, I've always thought he's a better overall player than Messi but for some reason always gets overlooked. Barcelona play to make Messi look good, Ronaldo carries Madrid
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Post by Dan on Nov 1, 2013 12:16:38 GMT -5
All this sudden love for Ronaldo is largely down to people becoming tired of Messi winning it every year. The reality is, Messi is up there with Maradona and Pele as the Greatest ever, Ronaldo isn't. It then goes down to how you judge the Balon d'or. Ronaldo had a good Calender Year in 2013, but Messi still eclipsed his Stats. People seem to suddenly be forgetting about how he scoerd against every La Liga Team back to back. He also won La Liga, so I'm confused as to how Ronaldo is suddenly the people's choice. It's funny, as it seems to be since Messi picked up his injury a few months back. I have a feeling though this one will go down to recent form, and while Messi has been injured, Ronaldo will probably get the vote.
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Post by McBlake on Nov 1, 2013 13:00:22 GMT -5
Or (quite rightly) they just think he's been better. No conspiracy.
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Post by Y2J13 on Nov 1, 2013 13:56:29 GMT -5
Or (quite rightly) they just think he's been better. No conspiracy. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to say "quite rightly" Ronaldo is better is lunacy. Messi has more accomplishments than Ronaldo will probably ever have. He scores more goals than Ronaldo per season, he has more assists than Ronaldo per season. He's also younger and is (or at least was) less "fashionable" a player. Lionel Messi is one of the best of all time and deserves all the praise he gets. And I will never understand what you people hold against him.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Nov 1, 2013 14:04:44 GMT -5
The Ballon D'Or is ing stupid. There's no precedent on what to judge players on. Trophies? Then Sneijder should've won in 2010 without question, and Ronaldo should've won in 2012. Goals? Then Ronaldo should've won in 2011. All this sudden love for Ronaldo is largely down to people becoming tired of Messi winning it every year. The reality is, Messi is up there with Maradona and Pele as the Greatest ever, Ronaldo isn't. It then goes down to how you judge the Balon d'or. Ronaldo had a good Calender Year in 2013, but Messi still eclipsed his Stats. People seem to suddenly be forgetting about how he scoerd against every La Liga Team back to back. He also won La Liga, so I'm confused as to how Ronaldo is suddenly the people's choice. It's funny, as it seems to be since Messi picked up his injury a few months back. I have a feeling though this one will go down to recent form, and while Messi has been injured, Ronaldo will probably get the vote. I would say that Ronaldo is at the same level as Messi. I'd also say that neither are at the level of Maradonna and Pele... yet. I don't understand how you can rate Messi so much higher than Ronaldo. If you think he's better that's fine, but you're acting as though Ronaldo is average and Messi is the greatest ever. The two are both obscenely talented and both will go down as two of the greatest ever by the end of their careers. Messi hasn't had a great calendar year - his team were raped by Bayern, he's struggled with a few injuries (which obviously matters as it means he plays less and therefore puts in less good performances) and has seemed more subdued in general since the end of 2012. Or (quite rightly) they just think he's been better. No conspiracy. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to say "quite rightly" Ronaldo is better is lunacy. Messi has more accomplishments than Ronaldo will probably ever have. He scores more goals than Ronaldo per season, he has more assists than Ronaldo per season. He's also younger and is (or at least was) less "fashionable" a player. Lionel Messi is one of the best of all time and deserves all the praise he gets. And I will never understand what you people hold against him. Ronaldo has more goals this calendar year and this season. This season Ronaldo has 18 goals and 3 assists in 14 appearences, compared to Messi's 12 goals and 4 assists in 13 appearances. Also the implication of Messi being more down to earth etc. in the phrase 'fashionable' player is BS - there are multiple reports of Messi being a prima donna on the training field and in the dressing room, including telling players to just pass to him because they don't matter and insisting that the only thing he drinks in the dressing room is Pepsi. He's hardly a saint. Also what does Messi being younger have to do with anything? Januzaj is younger than both of them so lets give it to him.
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Post by Y2J13 on Nov 1, 2013 14:13:07 GMT -5
11 months doesn't make a world class player. If that's the case then Gareth Bale is on Messi and Ronaldo's level too.
Ronaldo may have started this season better, but Messi broke the record last year for most goals in a calendar year ever, scored against every La Liga club in a row, was the top scorer in La Liga, joint 2nd most assists in La Liga and he actually won a trophy.
He was also top scorer and 2nd in assists in the 2011-12 season as well.
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Post by T on Nov 1, 2013 14:15:42 GMT -5
11 months doesn't make a world class player. If that's the case then Gareth Bale is on Messi and Ronaldo's level too. Ronaldo may have started this season better, but Messi broke the record last year for most goals in a calendar year ever, scored against every La Liga club in a row, was the top scorer in La Liga, joint 2nd most assists in La Liga and he actually won a trophy. He was also top scorer and 2nd in assists in the 2011-12 season as well. The Ballon D'Or is being judged on 2013 though, so stats from 2012 are irrelevant.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Nov 1, 2013 14:21:23 GMT -5
11 months doesn't make a world class player. If that's the case then Gareth Bale is on Messi and Ronaldo's level too. Ronaldo may have started this season better, but Messi broke the record last year for most goals in a calendar year ever, scored against every La Liga club in a row, was the top scorer in La Liga, joint 2nd most assists in La Liga and he actually won a trophy. He was also top scorer and 2nd in assists in the 2011-12 season as well. What are you talking about? The award is judged on the past 12 months! Anything that anyone did before January 1st 2013 is completely irrelevant. And also, anyone who says Bale has been as good as Ronaldo, Messi or Ribery this year doesn't know what they're saying. Fantastic? Yes. Best in the PL? Probably. Best in the world? No.
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Post by Y2J13 on Nov 1, 2013 14:25:22 GMT -5
*sigh*
I know it's based on this year, and I already said I voted for Ronaldo! I'm talking generally though, because people have been talking about how much better Ronaldo is than Messi like it's a fact.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Nov 1, 2013 14:27:59 GMT -5
*sigh* I know it's based on this year, and I already said I voted for Ronaldo! I'm talking generally though, because people have been talking about how much better Ronaldo is than Messi like it's a fact. Overall I'd personally put them level. I understand people putting one as slightly above the other, but I don't understand how anyone can say one is significantly better.
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