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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2013 12:25:13 GMT -5
I really hope that the US can stop these shootings somehow. That's never going to happen. They can be as strict as they want over gun laws but maniacs will ALWAYS find a way to get one to full fill their rampages.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Nov 2, 2013 12:44:03 GMT -5
To be fair though, its not like countries won at the point of a sword allow people to hold swords. Your country was won at the point of a sword literally a thousand years ago. Things change in a thousand years. Remember it was only as recently as 150 years ago that we fought a civil war and needed guns to settle that dispute. Many of them privately owned. It was only 70 years ago that we needed guns to win WWII; doesn't mean that we have plenty of guns in the UK now. America has come very far on a range of issues since the civil war; its strange that they have been so static on guns. Issues regarding slavery, segregation, homosexuality, abortions and many more have been changed radically. Guns have barely had a change in that time.
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Post by Tim of thee on Nov 2, 2013 12:55:12 GMT -5
I really hope that the US can stop these shootings somehow. That's never going to happen. They can be as strict as they want over gun laws but maniacs will ALWAYS find a way to get one to full fill their rampages. yep, like making home made bombs with crockpots
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 2, 2013 12:59:47 GMT -5
Your country was won at the point of a sword literally a thousand years ago. Things change in a thousand years. Remember it was only as recently as 150 years ago that we fought a civil war and needed guns to settle that dispute. Many of them privately owned. It was only 70 years ago that we needed guns to win WWII; doesn't mean that we have plenty of guns in the UK now. America has come very far on a range of issues since the civil war; its strange that they have been so static on guns. Issues regarding slavery, segregation, homosexuality, abortions and many more have been changed radically. Guns have barely had a change in that time. Civilians in the UK took up arms to resist invaders in WWII? 'Cuz that's what happened during the civil war.
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Post by Tim of thee on Nov 2, 2013 13:02:10 GMT -5
there are many people out there who own guns that are friendly, loving, charitable, and caring individuals
we are law abiding people just like yourselves, and if our rights were to ever become extinct, then we would (for the most part) follow the rules
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Nov 2, 2013 13:03:53 GMT -5
It was only 70 years ago that we needed guns to win WWII; doesn't mean that we have plenty of guns in the UK now. America has come very far on a range of issues since the civil war; its strange that they have been so static on guns. Issues regarding slavery, segregation, homosexuality, abortions and many more have been changed radically. Guns have barely had a change in that time. Civilians in the UK took up arms to resist invaders in WWII? 'Cuz that's what happened during the civil war. Fair enough. But how many of those guns are still around today? Gun technology has moved on and the law hasn't kept up.
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Post by Y2J13 on Nov 2, 2013 13:30:43 GMT -5
there are many people out there who own guns that are friendly, loving, charitable, and caring individuals we are law abiding people just like yourselves, and if our rights were to ever become extinct, then we would (for the most part) follow the rules And I get that, but not being able to own a gun is a small price to pay to save people's lives. The fact is guns don't have any other purpose other than killing things.
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Post by Tim of thee on Nov 2, 2013 13:46:22 GMT -5
there are many people out there who own guns that are friendly, loving, charitable, and caring individuals we are law abiding people just like yourselves, and if our rights were to ever become extinct, then we would (for the most part) follow the rules And I get that, but not being able to own a gun is a small price to pay to save people's lives. should we outlaw cars then? many people have been killed by them within the last year.. anything to save a life right? there are many people out there who own guns that are friendly, loving, charitable, and caring individuals we are law abiding people just like yourselves, and if our rights were to ever become extinct, then we would (for the most part) follow the rules The fact is guns don't have any other purpose other than killing things. not true... many people have different reasons for owning firearms.. for protection, for safety, for preservation of the union, for hobby or sport, for collection.. some of these overlap, but many (if not all) of the people I know and associate with don't buy them with the intention of ever using them as the guy who committed the crime in the original topic of this thread
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 2, 2013 13:49:52 GMT -5
I really hope that the US can stop these shootings somehow. That's never going to happen. They can be as strict as they want over gun laws but maniacs will ALWAYS find a way to get one to full fill their rampages. This might be the most intelligent thing Ive ever heard you say (not saying you say stupid stuff either) but knowing you're from England and you "get it" is impressive. Just slapping gun laws on everyone isnt going to stop anything. Crazy asses are still going to kill and the bombs made from crock pots (as mentioned also) is a perfect example of that.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 2, 2013 14:19:24 GMT -5
Civilians in the UK took up arms to resist invaders in WWII? 'Cuz that's what happened during the civil war. Fair enough. But how many of those guns are still around today? Gun technology has moved on and the law hasn't kept up. The mentality has survived.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Nov 2, 2013 14:24:44 GMT -5
Fair enough. But how many of those guns are still around today? Gun technology has moved on and the law hasn't kept up. The mentality has survived. Unfortunately.
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Post by Y2J13 on Nov 2, 2013 14:28:22 GMT -5
And I get that, but not being able to own a gun is a small price to pay to save people's lives. should we outlaw cars then? many people have been killed by them within the last year.. anything to save a life right? The fact is guns don't have any other purpose other than killing things. not true... many people have different reasons for owning firearms.. for protection, for safety, for preservation of the union, for hobby or sport, for collection.. some of these overlap, but many (if not all) of the people I know and associate with don't buy them with the intention of ever using them as the guy who committed the crime in the original topic of this thread Funny, people in other countries seem to be able to protect themselves without guns. I've never felt like I needed a gun to be protected. I guess that's the American way though. And comparing cars to guns is ing stupid. People NEED vehicles. Everything would become very complicated if cars suddenly disappeared. all would change if guns disappeared from the average man.
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Post by Y2J13 on Nov 2, 2013 14:29:59 GMT -5
That's never going to happen. They can be as strict as they want over gun laws but maniacs will ALWAYS find a way to get one to full fill their rampages. This might be the most intelligent thing Ive ever heard you say (not saying you say stupid stuff either) but knowing you're from England and you "get it" is impressive. Just slapping gun laws on everyone isnt going to stop anything. Crazy asses are still going to kill and the bombs made from crock pots (as mentioned also) is a perfect example of that. How many people a year get killed with homemade bombs? How many do you think would die if bombs were buyable in Wal-Mart? Terrible argument.
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Post by Nivro™ on Nov 2, 2013 15:03:06 GMT -5
This might be the most intelligent thing Ive ever heard you say (not saying you say stupid stuff either) but knowing you're from England and you "get it" is impressive. Just slapping gun laws on everyone isnt going to stop anything. Crazy asses are still going to kill and the bombs made from crock pots (as mentioned also) is a perfect example of that. How many people a year get killed with homemade bombs? How many do you think would die if bombs were buyable in Wal-Mart? Terrible argument. The average person on the street probably doesnt know how to build a bomb. Its pretty easy to use a gun but it's not easy to legally get a gun. However, lets outlaw guns. Take them off the streets...Guess what, People are going to go to their library (or use the internet) and then go to Walmart (the store you mentioned) any time, day or night...buy a couple boxes of nails and a crockpot (with no background check might I add...something Walmart DOES do with the purchase of a gun)...go home, build a bomb and blow something up. The guns arent what is killing people, its people and society and its screwed up ways. Terrible argument.
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Post by Tim of thee on Nov 2, 2013 15:44:46 GMT -5
should we outlaw cars then? many people have been killed by them within the last year.. anything to save a life right? not true... many people have different reasons for owning firearms.. for protection, for safety, for preservation of the union, for hobby or sport, for collection.. some of these overlap, but many (if not all) of the people I know and associate with don't buy them with the intention of ever using them as the guy who committed the crime in the original topic of this thread Funny, people in other countries seem to be able to protect themselves without guns. I've never felt like I needed a gun to be protected. I guess that's the American way though. And comparing cars to guns is ing stupid. People NEED vehicles. Everything would become very complicated if cars suddenly disappeared. all would change if guns disappeared from the average man. Your argument was that you wanted to save lives. That was the end result from your logic. I am stating that people die in car accidents all the time (for various reasons). If the idea is to "save lives" then Wouldn't we want these 1000 pound machines off our roads? We have laws against driving irresponsibly but that doesn't stop it absolutely.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Nov 2, 2013 15:49:00 GMT -5
should we outlaw cars then? many people have been killed by them within the last year.. anything to save a life right? not true... many people have different reasons for owning firearms.. for protection, for safety, for preservation of the union, for hobby or sport, for collection.. some of these overlap, but many (if not all) of the people I know and associate with don't buy them with the intention of ever using them as the guy who committed the crime in the original topic of this thread Funny, people in other countries seem to be able to protect themselves without guns. I've never felt like I needed a gun to be protected. I guess that's the American way though. And comparing cars to guns is ing stupid. People NEED vehicles. Everything would become very complicated if cars suddenly disappeared. all would change if guns disappeared from the average man. Comparing other countries is just stupid. Cultures are completely and totally different. Comparing cars to guns is kind of legit, but kind of not. There are way more fatalities due to cars than there are to guns, but there are way more cars out there as well. Gun violence is down overall. People ignore that. People also ignore the fact that it's illegal to take a gun into an airport and shoot people with it already. They also ignore the fact that you could ban guns entirely in the US and people still would have them. None of this goes through anyone's head though as it's easier to think this is just a simple problem to solve.
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Post by Tim of thee on Nov 2, 2013 15:56:27 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time believing that some of you guys go out without worries of something bad happening.
I'm not saying I'm paranoid but I am not gonna pretend that the world is some utopia.
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Post by raVen™ on Nov 2, 2013 15:57:21 GMT -5
More fake killings with unrealistic guns to make you think they need to "control" our rights of potection.
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Post by Y2J13 on Nov 2, 2013 16:28:32 GMT -5
I'm having a hard time believing that some of you guys go out without worries of something bad happening. I'm not saying I'm paranoid but I am not gonna pretend that the world is some utopia. Say you're at a bus stop/station. You're minding your own business. I come up behind you and shoot you point blank in the head. How is you owning a gun going to help you in that situation?
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Post by Y2J13 on Nov 2, 2013 16:29:12 GMT -5
More fake killings with unrealistic guns to make you think they need to "control" our rights of potection. ....you're kidding right?
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