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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 4, 2013 3:21:09 GMT -5
There is nobody on the roster "big enough" that should eliminate Hogan cleanly from the Royal Rumble with the exception of John Cena. Everyone else in pro wrestling lore is very far beneath him. It would be sweet to see Mark Henry press slam him into a dumpster and scream, "Take your orange butt back to the nursing home, boy." |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 3:46:09 GMT -5
It still amazes me the attitude towards Hogan. You gotta wonder if "dirt sheets" never existed, how many people would still have this deep hate for Hogan that they have. If Hulk Hogan wasn't who he was or didn't exist WRESTLING AS WE KNOW IT WOULD NOT EXIST!! WE...the FANS....owe EVERYTHING we have today to Hulk Hogan. . FALSE. Modern wrestling was built on the genius of Vince McMahon Jr. Vince took at bodybuilder with no athletic background, hid his flaws, and marketed him as a real life super hero. Without Vince, there would be no Hulk Hogan. Terry Bollea would be "that guy who played Thunderlips and wrestled in Japan". For that matter, without Vince, wrestling would still be a mostly regional form of entertainment. It probably wouldn't be on American TV except as late-night filler on small networks. #1, Vince could not have taken "just anybody" and put him in Hogan's spot. Remember Zeus? He was a body builder too, do you really think he'd have had the impact of Hogan? No. Hogan had a huge amount of charisma and was able to engage the crowd in a way that has NEVER been replicated. #2, I don't really understand what you mean by "No athletic background"? Ehat does that have to do with anything? You only like wrestlers that played other sports first? If you took the time to actually educate yourself on the matter instead of spouting nonsense you might not sound so stupid. Go and watch some of his Japan stuff. #3, Vince needed Hogan as much as Hogan needed Vince. |
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Post by China Claus on Nov 4, 2013 4:05:37 GMT -5
It still amazes me the attitude towards Hogan. You gotta wonder if "dirt sheets" never existed, how many people would still have this deep hate for Hogan that they have. If Hulk Hogan wasn't who he was or didn't exist WRESTLING AS WE KNOW IT WOULD NOT EXIST!! WE...the FANS....owe EVERYTHING we have today to Hulk Hogan. . FALSE. Modern wrestling was built on the genius of Vince McMahon Jr. Vince took at bodybuilder with no athletic background, hid his flaws, and marketed him as a real life super hero. Without Vince, there would be no Hulk Hogan. Terry Bollea would be "that guy who played Thunderlips and wrestled in Japan". For that matter, without Vince, wrestling would still be a mostly regional form of entertainment. It probably wouldn't be on American TV except as late-night filler on small networks. FALSE! Well, somewhat. Hogan had left for the AWA where he first started hearing the cheers and where Hulkamania was born. Verne was greedy, so a now mega-popular Hogan that was hot off an AWA (which was a viable competitor with, and possibly bigger than Vince Jr. at the time) stint, rode that initial wave of AWA success into the WWF where Vince capitalized on it. Hogan will tell you, if anyone, Verne Gagne helped bring the real Hulk Hogan out. Hell, Gagne can be accredited for a great deal of stars from throughout wrestling history. If anything, Vince Jr. was a smart business man that only lent a hand in the grand scheme of things. Vince did nationalise wrestling, but it's hard to say the AWA wouldn't have been in WWE's shoes today had Hogan never left. After all, where Hogan went, many would follow at that time. At this point, I could care less what Hogan does, I just want his Mattel figure! |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 4, 2013 4:17:39 GMT -5
FALSE. Modern wrestling was built on the genius of Vince McMahon Jr. Vince took at bodybuilder with no athletic background, hid his flaws, and marketed him as a real life super hero. Without Vince, there would be no Hulk Hogan. Terry Bollea would be "that guy who played Thunderlips and wrestled in Japan". For that matter, without Vince, wrestling would still be a mostly regional form of entertainment. It probably wouldn't be on American TV except as late-night filler on small networks. #1, Vince could not have taken "just anybody" and put him in Hogan's spot. Remember Zeus? He was a body builder too, do you really think he'd have had the impact of Hogan? No. Hogan had a huge amount of charisma and was able to engage the crowd in a way that has NEVER been replicated. #2, I don't really understand what you mean by "No athletic background"? Ehat does that have to do with anything? You only like wrestlers that played other sports first? If you took the time to actually educate yourself on the matter instead of spouting nonsense you might not sound so stupid. Go and watch some of his Japan stuff. #3, Vince needed Hogan as much as Hogan needed Vince. Hogan wouldn't have been showcased as a long term main-eventer without Vince. The old school wrestlers and bookers didn't trust Hulk as a centerpiece because he wasn't particularly coordinated or knowledgable about physical performance. In other words, he wasn't "one of them". Vince's genius was to realize that style could trump substance. It didn't matter than Hulk couldn't perform many holds when Vince presented him as someone who could become impervious to pain and explode on the bad guy at the end of the match. Give kids a cartoon-tie in, some figures, a T-shirt, and a lunchbox and the mission was complete. The AWA, NWA, and NJPW all had Hogan but never figured out how to market him. The same can be said about the household names in wrestling. Without Vince there would have been no Stone Cold, No Rock, No NWO (all three performers were famous because of WWF gimmicks), No Undertaker, and no John Cena. It all comes back to Vince understanding his talent and using them to their maximum potential. |
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Post by King Silva on Nov 4, 2013 7:02:16 GMT -5
Ugh..
I don't care for him at all so please be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 7:25:13 GMT -5
#1, Vince could not have taken "just anybody" and put him in Hogan's spot. Remember Zeus? He was a body builder too, do you really think he'd have had the impact of Hogan? No. Hogan had a huge amount of charisma and was able to engage the crowd in a way that has NEVER been replicated. #2, I don't really understand what you mean by "No athletic background"? Ehat does that have to do with anything? You only like wrestlers that played other sports first? If you took the time to actually educate yourself on the matter instead of spouting nonsense you might not sound so stupid. Go and watch some of his Japan stuff. #3, Vince needed Hogan as much as Hogan needed Vince. Hogan wouldn't have been showcased as a long term main-eventer without Vince. The old school wrestlers and bookers didn't trust Hulk as a centerpiece because he wasn't particularly coordinated or knowledgable about physical performance. In other words, he wasn't "one of them". Vince's genius was to realize that style could trump substance. It didn't matter than Hulk couldn't perform many holds when Vince presented him as someone who could become impervious to pain and explode on the bad guy at the end of the match. Give kids a cartoon-tie in, some figures, a T-shirt, and a lunchbox and the mission was complete. The AWA, NWA, and NJPW all had Hogan but never figured out how to market him. The same can be said about the household names in wrestling. Without Vince there would have been no Stone Cold, No Rock, No NWO (all three performers were famous because of WWF gimmicks), No Undertaker, and no John Cena. It all comes back to Vince understanding his talent and using them to their maximum potential. Hogan was a very competent wrestler. If you're in a rough business and can get over by not taking many serious bumps or putting your body through it then you're not going to. Hogan's had longevity and had been able to be a consistent performer for nearly 30 years because of this. And again, you clearly haven't seen his work in Japan (where has proved that was a very capable wrestler). Vince McMahon was a marketing genius, but that doesn't mean that Hulk wasn't a marketing dream. How many people have been put in that spot and failed? Hogan excelled with flying colours. Hogan wouldn't have been showcased without Vince. But if Vince didn't have Hogan to showcase then he wouldn't have gone anywhere either. Vince was ruthless, moreso than other promoters. There was always an understanding between territories that they would be just that, territories. They wouldn't step on eachother. Vince had the tenacity and the finances to run shows in other areas and buy their top talent as he went along. The NWA, AWA etc never had the marketing genius behind them. You couldn't have taken Papa Shango and made him Hulk Hogan, anymore than you could have taken D-Lo Brown and turned him into Stone Cold. It's a perfect example of the sum being worth more than it's parts. I'll say it again; Vince needed Hogan as much as Hogan needed Vince. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 4, 2013 7:41:39 GMT -5
Hogan wouldn't have been showcased as a long term main-eventer without Vince. The old school wrestlers and bookers didn't trust Hulk as a centerpiece because he wasn't particularly coordinated or knowledgable about physical performance. In other words, he wasn't "one of them". Vince's genius was to realize that style could trump substance. It didn't matter than Hulk couldn't perform many holds when Vince presented him as someone who could become impervious to pain and explode on the bad guy at the end of the match. Give kids a cartoon-tie in, some figures, a T-shirt, and a lunchbox and the mission was complete. The AWA, NWA, and NJPW all had Hogan but never figured out how to market him. The same can be said about the household names in wrestling. Without Vince there would have been no Stone Cold, No Rock, No NWO (all three performers were famous because of WWF gimmicks), No Undertaker, and no John Cena. It all comes back to Vince understanding his talent and using them to their maximum potential. Hogan was a very competent wrestler. If you're in a rough business and can get over by not taking many serious bumps or putting your body through it then you're not going to. Hogan's had longevity and had been able to be a consistent performer for nearly 30 years because of this. And again, you clearly haven't seen his work in Japan (where has proved that was a very capable wrestler). You couldn't have taken Papa Shango and made him Hulk Hogan, anymore than you could have taken D-Lo Brown and turned him into Stone Cold. It's a perfect example of the sum being worth more than it's parts.
I'll say it again; Vince needed Hogan as much as Hogan needed Vince. Vince took several big guys (Warrior, Diesel, Sid) and gave them more exposure than they ever would have gotten in any other company. Hogan was the first, and he stayed around longer to absorb more of Vince's direction. But, sorry, I'll never believe that Hogan was as valuable to Vince as vice versa. Hogan was Vince's greatest construct and was mostly a "right time, right place" guy. As for the original sentiment of the point, I don't feel that fans owe Hogan anything. For those who still like him, I hope they are happy with his eventual (hopefully short-lived) return. After that, it's best for the wrestling business as a whole if Hogan just goes away for good. |
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Post by Mirror Images on Nov 4, 2013 10:50:28 GMT -5
I think he needs to play some sort of role at WrestleMania 30, although his current age/back problems etc I don't think it should be wrestling. As a special ref or in someone's corner would be best from a nostalgia stand point to mark Wrestlemanias 30th celebrations.
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Post by robbutler01 on Nov 4, 2013 12:43:23 GMT -5
gotta admit I was a little pleased when I read this. I don't want to see him come back and win the title or anything but I do feel he belongs in the WWE. He was a massive part of its history and why it took off on the 80's. I was a hulkamaniac growing up so keep him around for the nostalgia and the occasional appearance and everybody wins - hopefully!
If it's true then "welcome home Hulk"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 15:24:19 GMT -5
It still amazes me the attitude towards Hogan. You gotta wonder if "dirt sheets" never existed, how many people would still have this deep hate for Hogan that they have. If Hulk Hogan wasn't who he was or didn't exist WRESTLING AS WE KNOW IT WOULD NOT EXIST!! WE...the FANS....owe EVERYTHING we have today to Hulk Hogan. If the guy wants to come back and take a few awkward bumps, and punches to make some extra spending cash....he's earned that. He's not coming back to beat Daniel Bryan....or to win a WWE title. Jesus christ some people are really ridiculous when it comes to Hogan. I bet half the people on here bitching about him would line up to buy his Mattel Elite figure. Hogan did not kill TNA. TNA's demise is because of their own doing. Bad management, bad financial decisions, and just the overall product is sub-par compared to the huge production that is WWE. Hogan HELPED TNA stay relevant. Hogan did not kill WCW, bad politics and horrible booking by an overrated booker killed WCW Hogan wasn't perfect back in the 90's....but who the hell was? Everyone was on "Team Warrior" back then and look how HE turned out! Warrior held Vince up for money the night of a major PPV, then turned his back on the business and didn't give a crap at all. Yet everyone loves to brag about how they were "always Warrior fans, never Hogan fans" For about 10 years Hulk Hogan WAS WRESTLING. He was the only reason people were showing up to events, he was the guy they wanted to see, he was the symbol of the business. He was largely responsible for one of the single greatest angles/factions/storylines in the entire HISTORY of wrestling (nWo) another thing that we all look back upon with excitement. Just because he paraded his family on national TV, and his PERSONAL life is a trainwreck does NOT mean that he is this awful human who sucks at life and shouldn't be anywhere near a wrestling ring. Not every wrestling match needs to be a 4 or 5 star classic epic legendary amazing event. Sometimes it's just about seeing 2 guys beat each other up. Bottom line....Hulk Hogan, is good for business. Exactly put. The hate on Hogan is from teenagers or twenty somethings that were not around in the eighties of Hogan's heyday. Only us older fans really get who he was. |
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Post by jeffro2000 on Nov 4, 2013 15:38:11 GMT -5
It still amazes me the attitude towards Hogan. You gotta wonder if "dirt sheets" never existed, how many people would still have this deep hate for Hogan that they have. If Hulk Hogan wasn't who he was or didn't exist WRESTLING AS WE KNOW IT WOULD NOT EXIST!! WE...the FANS....owe EVERYTHING we have today to Hulk Hogan. If the guy wants to come back and take a few awkward bumps, and punches to make some extra spending cash....he's earned that. He's not coming back to beat Daniel Bryan....or to win a WWE title. Jesus christ some people are really ridiculous when it comes to Hogan. I bet half the people on here bitching about him would line up to buy his Mattel Elite figure. Hogan did not kill TNA. TNA's demise is because of their own doing. Bad management, bad financial decisions, and just the overall product is sub-par compared to the huge production that is WWE. Hogan HELPED TNA stay relevant. Hogan did not kill WCW, bad politics and horrible booking by an overrated booker killed WCW Hogan wasn't perfect back in the 90's....but who the hell was? Everyone was on "Team Warrior" back then and look how HE turned out! Warrior held Vince up for money the night of a major PPV, then turned his back on the business and didn't give a crap at all. Yet everyone loves to brag about how they were "always Warrior fans, never Hogan fans" For about 10 years Hulk Hogan WAS WRESTLING. He was the only reason people were showing up to events, he was the guy they wanted to see, he was the symbol of the business. He was largely responsible for one of the single greatest angles/factions/storylines in the entire HISTORY of wrestling (nWo) another thing that we all look back upon with excitement. Just because he paraded his family on national TV, and his PERSONAL life is a trainwreck does NOT mean that he is this awful human who sucks at life and shouldn't be anywhere near a wrestling ring. Not every wrestling match needs to be a 4 or 5 star classic epic legendary amazing event. Sometimes it's just about seeing 2 guys beat each other up. Bottom line....Hulk Hogan, is good for business. Exactly put. The hate on Hogan is from teenagers or twenty somethings that were not around in the eighties of Hogan's heyday. Only us older fans really get who he was. I totally agree. He is probably the reason I ever started watching Wrestling in 87 or whenever it was as a kid. He and Vince built the company. I think most people on this site are younger, proof by a thread in the Mattel forum asking your 1st figure and the overwhelming number of responses are Jakks figures. Every time he has come back to WWE, his ovation has been huge and ridiculously long. Most people recognize him as a wrestling legend who built a company, and elevated a 2nd one to new heights. I totally agree that most of this hate comes from Dirt sheets and his personal mistakes. People think it is cool to boo Hogan, cheer every heel, etc. Maybe he didn't want to job to this guy, but that can be said for a lot of people. He jobbed plenty in his last runs. I have only casually watched wrestling for years, the product isn't that interesting to me. I don't really collect figures. I buy them and give to my kid, so I collect through him u could say. However, if Hogan returns, I will watch and get goose bumps at the ovation. The biggest star this sport has ever seen, and should always be welcome at the company he helped build, so long as he ego is in check. |
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Post by SteveHulk on Nov 4, 2013 15:57:23 GMT -5
this was his last wrestled match i believe. And he didnt look that good...a rumble appearence is all i'd like to see at most, i think. He actually looked OK in that match, all things considered... all a Hogan match has to be is passable (no-one would be expecting a 5-star classic, lol). And listen to the crowd and pop in that match and when Hogan hulks-up and rips his shirt off - he was still OVER big-time. In WWE, that would be multiplied by 1000. The hate on Hogan is from teenagers or twenty somethings that were not around in the eighties of Hogan's heyday. Only us older fans really get who he was. Exactly. It's funny - if you click on the profile of the people who have made negative/anti-Hogan comments in this thread alone, they're nearly ALL around 25 or under... Says it all, really. |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Nov 4, 2013 23:53:27 GMT -5
Hogan needs to do exactly what he did to Muhammad Hassan and Davari at WrestleMania 21 except this time it will be Zeb, Cesaro, and Swagger.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Nov 5, 2013 0:02:17 GMT -5
The hate on Hogan is from teenagers or twenty somethings that were not around in the eighties of Hogan's heyday. Only us older fans really get who he was. Exactly. It's funny - if you click on the profile of the people who have made negative/anti-Hogan comments in this thread alone, they're nearly ALL around 25 or under... Says it all, really. Well, I'm 40 and it only took growing out of my childhood and watching wrestling as an adult (not reading the sheets) to realize that Vince had fooled me with a bumbling bodybuilder. I once suffered with the affliction of Hulkamania, but I've been sober for 18 years now. |
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Post by K5 on Nov 5, 2013 13:07:11 GMT -5
no matter what he does, it'll be a trainwreck.
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Post by K5 on Nov 5, 2013 13:27:50 GMT -5
It still amazes me the attitude towards Hogan. You gotta wonder if "dirt sheets" never existed, how many people would still have this deep hate for Hogan that they have. If Hulk Hogan wasn't who he was or didn't exist WRESTLING AS WE KNOW IT WOULD NOT EXIST!! WE...the FANS....owe EVERYTHING we have today to Hulk Hogan. If the guy wants to come back and take a few awkward bumps, and punches to make some extra spending cash....he's earned that. He's not coming back to beat Daniel Bryan....or to win a WWE title. Jesus christ some people are really ridiculous when it comes to Hogan. I bet half the people on here bitching about him would line up to buy his Mattel Elite figure. Hogan did not kill TNA. TNA's demise is because of their own doing. Bad management, bad financial decisions, and just the overall product is sub-par compared to the huge production that is WWE. Hogan HELPED TNA stay relevant. Hogan did not kill WCW, bad politics and horrible booking by an overrated booker killed WCW Hogan wasn't perfect back in the 90's....but who the hell was? Everyone was on "Team Warrior" back then and look how HE turned out! Warrior held Vince up for money the night of a major PPV, then turned his back on the business and didn't give a crap at all. Yet everyone loves to brag about how they were "always Warrior fans, never Hogan fans" For about 10 years Hulk Hogan WAS WRESTLING. He was the only reason people were showing up to events, he was the guy they wanted to see, he was the symbol of the business. He was largely responsible for one of the single greatest angles/factions/storylines in the entire HISTORY of wrestling (nWo) another thing that we all look back upon with excitement. Just because he paraded his family on national TV, and his PERSONAL life is a trainwreck does NOT mean that he is this awful human who sucks at life and shouldn't be anywhere near a wrestling ring. Not every wrestling match needs to be a 4 or 5 star classic epic legendary amazing event. Sometimes it's just about seeing 2 guys beat each other up. Bottom line....Hulk Hogan, is good for business. there was professional wrestling being watched on an international scale before hulk hogan, and there will be after. i'm not trying to put down his impact on the business, it was obviously huge, but if the wrestling boom would have occurred without hogan or not is debatable, and therefore, not a certifiable fact that hogan 'is wrestling'. it would be easy to suggest we wouldn't have seen the boom we did, the involvement with hollywood, the success of wrestlemania, without hogan but the truth is vince mcmahon had a vision for what the wwe was to become before hogan was even there. was hogan critical to the way things played out? yes. is he the father of modern wrestling? no. i think the man with the vision to make the sport bigger than a state divided concept is responsible. the man who wanted to take what he saw at rock n roll concerts and add that element of excitement and stardom to pro wrestling. vince mcmahon 100%. you cannot claim that hogan didn't hurt tna, as he had endless opportunities to promote the company in various media and time and time again chose not to. tna wrestlers themselves have voiced their resentment towards hogan for that behavior, it's not just internet fans hating hogan. and i have never claimed to be a warrior fan, nor will i ever. what wrestling fans seem to truly miss is that hogan needs us, not the other way around, and he's done a damn good job of convincing the faithfuls that we do need him. he's terrible for business, he is one of the truly constipating factors of the wrestling industry's standards of today. it was fine when he came back for the rock, hell i'd agree with you that he deserved that match, but now? he can  himself a million times over and never show up on a tv again. |
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Post by K5 on Nov 5, 2013 13:36:09 GMT -5
FALSE. Modern wrestling was built on the genius of Vince McMahon Jr. Vince took at bodybuilder with no athletic background, hid his flaws, and marketed him as a real life super hero. Without Vince, there would be no Hulk Hogan. Terry Bollea would be "that guy who played Thunderlips and wrestled in Japan". For that matter, without Vince, wrestling would still be a mostly regional form of entertainment. It probably wouldn't be on American TV except as late-night filler on small networks. FALSE! Well, somewhat. Hogan had left for the AWA where he first started hearing the cheers and where Hulkamania was born. Verne was greedy, so a now mega-popular Hogan that was hot off an AWA (which was a viable competitor with, and possibly bigger than Vince Jr. at the time) stint, rode that initial wave of AWA success into the WWF where Vince capitalized on it. Hogan will tell you, if anyone, Verne Gagne helped bring the real Hulk Hogan out. Hell, Gagne can be accredited for a great deal of stars from throughout wrestling history. If anything, Vince Jr. was a smart business man that only lent a hand in the grand scheme of things. Vince did nationalise wrestling, but it's hard to say the AWA wouldn't have been in WWE's shoes today had Hogan never left. After all, where Hogan went, many would follow at that time. At this point, I could care less what Hogan does, I just want his Mattel figure! was hogan big in the awa? yes. did him being featured in rocky very much help that? yes. was verne going to put hogan over nick bockwinkel overall? no. would awa have moved away from their traditional wrestling style to meet the new age of wrestling? absolutely not, verne was a traditionalist to death. hell, i learnt most of that crapfrom HOGAN's book...right from the horses' mouth. it is an utter and absolute joke to suggest that the awa could have surpassed the wwf had they kept hogan. vince was the vision, the force, and he had new york. check your facts, the wwf was already emerging as a serious force buying up national airtimes and pushing the territories out. |
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Post by weaseltv on Nov 5, 2013 15:36:50 GMT -5
it will be Hulk Hogan vs. Jerry "the King" Lawler in an ambulance match... it may last... 2 minutes....
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Post by China Claus on Nov 5, 2013 21:49:05 GMT -5
FALSE! Well, somewhat. Hogan had left for the AWA where he first started hearing the cheers and where Hulkamania was born. Verne was greedy, so a now mega-popular Hogan that was hot off an AWA (which was a viable competitor with, and possibly bigger than Vince Jr. at the time) stint, rode that initial wave of AWA success into the WWF where Vince capitalized on it. Hogan will tell you, if anyone, Verne Gagne helped bring the real Hulk Hogan out. Hell, Gagne can be accredited for a great deal of stars from throughout wrestling history. If anything, Vince Jr. was a smart business man that only lent a hand in the grand scheme of things. Vince did nationalise wrestling, but it's hard to say the AWA wouldn't have been in WWE's shoes today had Hogan never left. After all, where Hogan went, many would follow at that time. At this point, I could care less what Hogan does, I just want his Mattel figure! was hogan big in the awa? yes. did him being featured in rocky very much help that? yes. was verne going to put hogan over nick bockwinkel overall? no. would awa have moved away from their traditional wrestling style to meet the new age of wrestling? absolutely not, verne was a traditionalist to death. hell, i learnt most of that crap from HOGAN's book...right from the horses' mouth. it is an utter and absolute joke to suggest that the awa could have surpassed the wwf had they kept hogan. vince was the vision, the force, and he had new york. check yourr facts, the wwf was already emerging as a serious force buying up national airtimes and pushing the territories out. The facts are that when Hogan left AWA, half the talent pool went with him or either left for WWF or elsewhere shortly thereafter. Yes Vince's plan was to obviously take pro wrestling to the next level, and as I stated verbatim, Verne Gagne was greedy. Not only with money, but the belt, and the AWA itself. I was just hypothetically pondering AWA's success had Hogan never left, nothing more. And really, my post was just indicating, while Vince did have the vision as you said, he really just took mostly what was already becoming huge with Hogan, and put the machine behind it, which Verne Gagne obviously didn't want/know how to do. And yes, in the territorial days, AWA was a pretty thriving company, as was the WWWF. And yes, Hogan's departure was a huge nail in their coffin. |
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Post by June on Nov 5, 2013 22:20:04 GMT -5
Without Hogan Vince's plan for expansion never takes off the way it did.
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