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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 6:43:04 GMT -5
To me, wrestling is theatre.
No different than going to see a play, musical or opera on Broadway.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 10:54:09 GMT -5
To me, wrestling is theatre. No different than going to see a play, musical or opera on Broadway. pretty much. that is one of the reasons why I dislike Cena.his characters whole attitude of laughing at his opponents and failing to take them seriously destroys one of the most important roots of pro wrestling for me........the suspension of disbelief.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Nov 15, 2013 12:12:53 GMT -5
To me, wrestling is theatre. No different than going to see a play, musical or opera on Broadway. pretty much. that is one of the reasons why I dislike Cena.his characters whole attitude of laughing at his opponents and failing to take them seriously destroys one of the most important roots of pro wrestling for me........the suspension of disbelief. Don't be so quick to reply gentlemen. The essay isn't over.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 12:29:13 GMT -5
I realise that.I was replying in specific to Bash's post.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Nov 15, 2013 13:18:55 GMT -5
pretty much. that is one of the reasons why I dislike Cena.his characters whole attitude of laughing at his opponents and failing to take them seriously destroys one of the most important roots of pro wrestling for me........the suspension of disbelief. Don't be so quick to reply gentlemen. The essay isn't over. Then why even post it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 14:00:14 GMT -5
College athletics. You're associating the word 'amateur' with skill level when that's not the case in sports.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Nov 15, 2013 14:47:23 GMT -5
Don't be so quick to reply gentlemen. The essay isn't over. Then why even post it? Have you never read a "series" in a journalism publication?
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Nov 15, 2013 14:55:04 GMT -5
College athletics. You're associating the word 'amateur' with skill level when that's not the case in sports. The term "Amateur" is defined as follows & I quote: "A person who engages in a practice for pleasure rather than financial compensation.". This shows that it is in fact, a secondary definition in use as the preface. What does it mean to be an amateur when being a professional isn't an option?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 15:07:19 GMT -5
College athletics. You're associating the word 'amateur' with skill level when that's not the case in sports. The term "Amateur" is defined as follows & I quote: "A person who engages in a practice for pleasure rather than financial compensation.". This shows that it is in fact, a secondary definition in use as the preface. What does it mean to be an amateur when being a professional isn't an option? But there is an option for "professional wrestling", the Olympics. While the IOC doesn't pay the athletes, the countries the athletes represent compensate them for medal finishes. So under the definition of professional as being paid for their service, there is an option.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Nov 15, 2013 19:35:31 GMT -5
The term "Amateur" is defined as follows & I quote: "A person who engages in a practice for pleasure rather than financial compensation.". This shows that it is in fact, a secondary definition in use as the preface. What does it mean to be an amateur when being a professional isn't an option? But there is an option for "professional wrestling", the Olympics. While the IOC doesn't pay the athletes, the countries the athletes represent compensate them for medal finishes. So under the definition of professional as being paid for their service, there is an option. You're right. There is an option to be paid if you win an Olympic Medal, however there is no option to be a member of a professional league & earn a living as an authentic wrestler. This simply furthers my concern over the sport's identity. However, this whole sub-point wasn't the primary concern of the article. I'll post the second half tonight after proofreading.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2013 22:12:19 GMT -5
So......
When are we allowed to reply?
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Nov 15, 2013 22:32:46 GMT -5
Then why even post it? Have you never read a "series" in a journalism publication? Considering I am a journalist, yes, yes I have. This isn't journalism. This is posting a topic on a message board. The purpose of message boards are discussion. If you don't want anyone to reply until you post the whole article, then don't post until you have the whole article. Even if this was a published series of articles, no journalist would add "by the way, no one write to me about the article! I'm not done yet!"
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Nov 16, 2013 0:25:47 GMT -5
Have you never read a "series" in a journalism publication? Considering I am a journalist, yes, yes I have. This isn't journalism. This is posting a topic on a message board. The purpose of message boards are discussion. If you don't want anyone to reply until you post the whole article, then don't post until you have the whole article. Even if this was a published series of articles, no journalist would add "by the way, no one write to me about the article! I'm not done yet!" A good philosopher doesn't spoonfeed answers, but rather raise thought provoking questions. I wish for the readers to contemplate for themselves before the answer is revealed. What publication do you work for? I ask sincerely, & only mention such because you decided to be a hummingbird about my question. Don't refer to me as a journalist again. I am never cold towards my art. Never an act of malice towards my craft. I am a poet, philosopher, & historian. My essays are attempts to broaden the grappler's perspective to adequate clairvoyance.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Nov 16, 2013 0:47:24 GMT -5
So...... When are we allowed to reply? I suppose I misspoke about posting rebuttals. I just genuinely wanted everyone to think through everything presented. Your first remarks for example were prefaced the phrase "To me Wrestling is ____". That's your perception, but at what point do you consider the difference between your perception of something & it's actual state of existence? Wrestling is a dramatic portrayal, but what is it actually portraying? How many variations or sub-genres are there? And if these questions are valid, then how do we reeducate society to distinguish these sub-genres for the purpose of proper judgement? See where I'm going with this?
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Nov 16, 2013 11:02:45 GMT -5
Considering I am a journalist, yes, yes I have. This isn't journalism. This is posting a topic on a message board. The purpose of message boards are discussion. If you don't want anyone to reply until you post the whole article, then don't post until you have the whole article. Even if this was a published series of articles, no journalist would add "by the way, no one write to me about the article! I'm not done yet!" A good philosopher doesn't spoonfeed answers, but rather raise thought provoking questions. I wish for the readers to contemplate for themselves before the answer is revealed. What publication do you work for? I ask sincerely, & only mention such because you decided to be a hummingbird about my question. Don't refer to me as a journalist again. I am never cold towards my art. Never an act of malice towards my craft. I am a poet, philosopher, & historian. My essays are attempts to broaden the grappler's perspective to adequate clairvoyance. 1. I'm about to graduate from college, so I am still freelance. I have done work for NPR, GPB, The Telegraph, The Layfield Report and work at the Center for Collaborative Journalism. There was a nice write up in the New York Times about us. I'm also a writing instructor for freshmen students. 2. You clearly know little or nothing of journalism if you call it "cold" or "malicious". Journalism is truth, honesty, and informing the community. What you "do" is nothing more than analytical review which you will find in any publication. There are multiple facets of journalism as there are in wrestling, which by the way, I would hardly call YOUR art. Writing on wrestling perhaps, but not wrestling itself, unless of course you are a wrestler, then by all means do as you please. Also word of advice, having known several published authors who write more historical and analytical pieces, most would say drop the thesaurus BS. A strong, varied vocabulary is very important, but when it appears you are doing it for the sake of being smart rather than actually being smart, no one will actually care to read it.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Nov 16, 2013 12:20:59 GMT -5
A good philosopher doesn't spoonfeed answers, but rather raise thought provoking questions. I wish for the readers to contemplate for themselves before the answer is revealed. What publication do you work for? I ask sincerely, & only mention such because you decided to be a hummingbird about my question. Don't refer to me as a journalist again. I am never cold towards my art. Never an act of malice towards my craft. I am a poet, philosopher, & historian. My essays are attempts to broaden the grappler's perspective to adequate clairvoyance. 1. I'm about to graduate from college, so I am still freelance. I have done work for NPR, GPB, The Telegraph, The Layfield Report and work at the Center for Collaborative Journalism. There was a nice write up in the New York Times about us. I'm also a writing instructor for freshmen students. 2. You clearly know little or nothing of journalism if you call it "cold" or "malicious". Journalism is truth, honesty, and informing the community. What you "do" is nothing more than analytical review which you will find in any publication. There are multiple facets of journalism as there are in wrestling, which by the way, I would hardly call YOUR art. Writing on wrestling perhaps, but not wrestling itself, unless of course you are a wrestler, then by all means do as you please. Also word of advice, having known several published authors who write more historical and analytical pieces, most would say drop the thesaurus BS. A strong, varied vocabulary is very important, but when it appears you are doing it for the sake of being smart rather than actually being smart, no one will actually care to read it. One: you have a very impressive resume, & would love it if you sent me some links to your work on the Layfield Report. I mentioned earlier that people perceive things differently than they actually are. I suppose my interpretation of journalism is no exception. It just feels so dull & mechanical for the work of someone who allegedly loves language. Moving on. I am a wrestler! I'm probably the purest grappler on this entire forum. I've studied freestyle since the age of seven. I've wrestled in carnivals, took on adult challengers, trained in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu since thirteen, & started practicing catch wrestling at fifteenth year, I've earned money by wrestling since before I could drive. I admit I only recently entered the storytelling craft, but dreamed of it for the majority of my childhood. Allow me to shed some light on something for everyone who has ever read my posts.... I don't now, never have, & barely remember how to use a bloody, God-forsaken thesaurus! I simply have an idiosyncrasy that if I don't have to use the same word twice within close proximity, I don't. Language is for two things, if nothing else. Creating art, & knowledge, & wooing women. Two activities in which apathy simply shall not do. By the way, thank you for the constructive criticism. Though I don't see why a writer can't call literary composition their art, as well as the art of everyone else who writes. I'm not stealing your favorite red ,toy car. I'm calling the sun that gives life to our planet "my sun". It's a matter of endearment, not singular possessiveness. Here's another thing, why has no one enjoyed the passage itself? I appreciate the assistance, but there's no way a genuine wrestler or enthusiast of the craft can fail to enjoy the aforementioned dialogue.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Nov 16, 2013 16:46:26 GMT -5
1. I'm about to graduate from college, so I am still freelance. I have done work for NPR, GPB, The Telegraph, The Layfield Report and work at the Center for Collaborative Journalism. There was a nice write up in the New York Times about us. I'm also a writing instructor for freshmen students. 2. You clearly know little or nothing of journalism if you call it "cold" or "malicious". Journalism is truth, honesty, and informing the community. What you "do" is nothing more than analytical review which you will find in any publication. There are multiple facets of journalism as there are in wrestling, which by the way, I would hardly call YOUR art. Writing on wrestling perhaps, but not wrestling itself, unless of course you are a wrestler, then by all means do as you please. Also word of advice, having known several published authors who write more historical and analytical pieces, most would say drop the thesaurus BS. A strong, varied vocabulary is very important, but when it appears you are doing it for the sake of being smart rather than actually being smart, no one will actually care to read it. One: you have a very impressive resume, & would love it if you sent me some links to your work on the Layfield Report. I mentioned earlier that people perceive things differently than they actually are. I suppose my interpretation of journalism is no exception. It just feels so dull & mechanical for the work of someone who allegedly loves language. Moving on. I am a wrestler! I'm probably the purest grappler on this entire forum. I've studied freestyle since the age of seven. I've wrestled in carnivals, took on adult challengers, trained in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu since thirteen, & started practicing catch wrestling at fifteenth year, I've earned money by wrestling since before I could drive. I admit I only recently entered the storytelling craft, but dreamed of it for the majority of my childhood. Allow me to shed some light on something for everyone who has ever read my posts.... I don't now, never have, & barely remember how to use a bloody, God-forsaken thesaurus! I simply have an idiosyncrasy that if I don't have to use the same word twice within close proximity, I don't. Language is for two things, if nothing else. Creating art, & knowledge, & wooing women. Two activities in which apathy simply shall not do. By the way, thank you for the constructive criticism. Though I don't see why a writer can't call literary composition their art, as well as the art of everyone else who writes. I'm not stealing your favorite red ,toy car. I'm calling the sun that gives life to our planet "my sun". It's a matter of endearment, not singular possessiveness. Here's another thing, why has no one enjoyed the passage itself? I appreciate the assistance, but there's no way a genuine wrestler or enthusiast of the craft can fail to enjoy the aforementioned dialogue. You can certainly call the composition your art, but I meant what you are writing on cannot be called YOUR art. But as you said you are a wrestler, it is a moot point as it would make it your art.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Nov 16, 2013 16:46:39 GMT -5
1. I'm about to graduate from college, so I am still freelance. I have done work for NPR, GPB, The Telegraph, The Layfield Report and work at the Center for Collaborative Journalism. There was a nice write up in the New York Times about us. I'm also a writing instructor for freshmen students. 2. You clearly know little or nothing of journalism if you call it "cold" or "malicious". Journalism is truth, honesty, and informing the community. What you "do" is nothing more than analytical review which you will find in any publication. There are multiple facets of journalism as there are in wrestling, which by the way, I would hardly call YOUR art. Writing on wrestling perhaps, but not wrestling itself, unless of course you are a wrestler, then by all means do as you please. Also word of advice, having known several published authors who write more historical and analytical pieces, most would say drop the thesaurus BS. A strong, varied vocabulary is very important, but when it appears you are doing it for the sake of being smart rather than actually being smart, no one will actually care to read it. One: you have a very impressive resume, & would love it if you sent me some links to your work on the Layfield Report. I mentioned earlier that people perceive things differently than they actually are. I suppose my interpretation of journalism is no exception. It just feels so dull & mechanical for the work of someone who allegedly loves language. Moving on. I am a wrestler! I'm probably the purest grappler on this entire forum. I've studied freestyle since the age of seven. I've wrestled in carnivals, took on adult challengers, trained in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu since thirteen, & started practicing catch wrestling at fifteenth year, I've earned money by wrestling since before I could drive. I admit I only recently entered the storytelling craft, but dreamed of it for the majority of my childhood. Allow me to shed some light on something for everyone who has ever read my posts.... I don't now, never have, & barely remember how to use a bloody, God-forsaken thesaurus! I simply have an idiosyncrasy that if I don't have to use the same word twice within close proximity, I don't. Language is for two things, if nothing else. Creating art, & knowledge, & wooing women. Two activities in which apathy simply shall not do. By the way, thank you for the constructive criticism. Though I don't see why a writer can't call literary composition their art, as well as the art of everyone else who writes. I'm not stealing your favorite red ,toy car. I'm calling the sun that gives life to our planet "my sun". It's a matter of endearment, not singular possessiveness. Here's another thing, why has no one enjoyed the passage itself? I appreciate the assistance, but there's no way a genuine wrestler or enthusiast of the craft can fail to enjoy the aforementioned dialogue. You can certainly call the composition your art, but I meant what you are writing on cannot be called YOUR art. But as you said you are a wrestler, it is a moot point as it would make it your art.
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Post by PenguinDeluxe on Nov 16, 2013 16:46:52 GMT -5
1. I'm about to graduate from college, so I am still freelance. I have done work for NPR, GPB, The Telegraph, The Layfield Report and work at the Center for Collaborative Journalism. There was a nice write up in the New York Times about us. I'm also a writing instructor for freshmen students. 2. You clearly know little or nothing of journalism if you call it "cold" or "malicious". Journalism is truth, honesty, and informing the community. What you "do" is nothing more than analytical review which you will find in any publication. There are multiple facets of journalism as there are in wrestling, which by the way, I would hardly call YOUR art. Writing on wrestling perhaps, but not wrestling itself, unless of course you are a wrestler, then by all means do as you please. Also word of advice, having known several published authors who write more historical and analytical pieces, most would say drop the thesaurus BS. A strong, varied vocabulary is very important, but when it appears you are doing it for the sake of being smart rather than actually being smart, no one will actually care to read it. One: you have a very impressive resume, & would love it if you sent me some links to your work on the Layfield Report. I mentioned earlier that people perceive things differently than they actually are. I suppose my interpretation of journalism is no exception. It just feels so dull & mechanical for the work of someone who allegedly loves language. Moving on. I am a wrestler! I'm probably the purest grappler on this entire forum. I've studied freestyle since the age of seven. I've wrestled in carnivals, took on adult challengers, trained in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu since thirteen, & started practicing catch wrestling at fifteenth year, I've earned money by wrestling since before I could drive. I admit I only recently entered the storytelling craft, but dreamed of it for the majority of my childhood. Allow me to shed some light on something for everyone who has ever read my posts.... I don't now, never have, & barely remember how to use a bloody, God-forsaken thesaurus! I simply have an idiosyncrasy that if I don't have to use the same word twice within close proximity, I don't. Language is for two things, if nothing else. Creating art, & knowledge, & wooing women. Two activities in which apathy simply shall not do. By the way, thank you for the constructive criticism. Though I don't see why a writer can't call literary composition their art, as well as the art of everyone else who writes. I'm not stealing your favorite red ,toy car. I'm calling the sun that gives life to our planet "my sun". It's a matter of endearment, not singular possessiveness. Here's another thing, why has no one enjoyed the passage itself? I appreciate the assistance, but there's no way a genuine wrestler or enthusiast of the craft can fail to enjoy the aforementioned dialogue. You can certainly call the composition your art, but I meant what you are writing on cannot be called YOUR art. But as you said you are a wrestler, it is a moot point as it would make it your art.
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Post by Turnbuckle Zealot(Phil) on Nov 16, 2013 16:52:15 GMT -5
One: you have a very impressive resume, & would love it if you sent me some links to your work on the Layfield Report. I mentioned earlier that people perceive things differently than they actually are. I suppose my interpretation of journalism is no exception. It just feels so dull & mechanical for the work of someone who allegedly loves language. Moving on. I am a wrestler! I'm probably the purest grappler on this entire forum. I've studied freestyle since the age of seven. I've wrestled in carnivals, took on adult challengers, trained in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu since thirteen, & started practicing catch wrestling at fifteenth year, I've earned money by wrestling since before I could drive. I admit I only recently entered the storytelling craft, but dreamed of it for the majority of my childhood. Allow me to shed some light on something for everyone who has ever read my posts.... I don't now, never have, & barely remember how to use a bloody, God-forsaken thesaurus! I simply have an idiosyncrasy that if I don't have to use the same word twice within close proximity, I don't. Language is for two things, if nothing else. Creating art, & knowledge, & wooing women. Two activities in which apathy simply shall not do. By the way, thank you for the constructive criticism. Though I don't see why a writer can't call literary composition their art, as well as the art of everyone else who writes. I'm not stealing your favorite red ,toy car. I'm calling the sun that gives life to our planet "my sun". It's a matter of endearment, not singular possessiveness. Here's another thing, why has no one enjoyed the passage itself? I appreciate the assistance, but there's no way a genuine wrestler or enthusiast of the craft can fail to enjoy the aforementioned dialogue. You can certainly call the composition your art, but I meant what you are writing on cannot be called YOUR art. But as you said you are a wrestler, it is a moot point as it would make it your art. I may enjoy writing the way Nietzche thinks & Salvidor Dali paints, but I'm not stupid. It's simply the art I practice in. It's no different than any other writer. The art of a sculptor is sculpting & so on. Semantics. Moving on, I genuinely appreciate your comments. I have no use for mere compliments so thank you.
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