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Post by slappy on Dec 5, 2013 20:57:58 GMT -5
So where/how do we lock up 90+% of the country? Where did I say to lock them up? So if they aren't locked up, do we medicate them somehow? Make them go to some place to "deprogram" them? What is done with them after the evaluation? Because if they are being forced to get an evaluation, you obviously want something done with them.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 5, 2013 21:03:51 GMT -5
He said they should take an evaluation, not lock them in concentrations camps. You should at least half to present a valid reason to believe it. Do you believe there is any valid reason to be religious? What happens if whoever is given the authority to oversee the evaluations decides they all need to be locked up? How do we do that? It would be a sad state of affairs if 90% of the country were deemed unfit for normal society. So what would you suggest would be appropriate action to take with grown adults that still believe in fairy tales? Like I said, if I went around claiming Santa Clause is real I would be mentally evaluated and most likely deemed unfit for society. Locking these people up would not be a solution, but at the same time it shouldn't be acceptable for a grown adult to believe in fairy tales.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 5, 2013 21:04:39 GMT -5
Where did I say to lock them up? So if they aren't locked up, do we medicate them somehow? Make them go to some place to "deprogram" them? What is done with them after the evaluation? Because if they are being forced to get an evaluation, you obviously want something done with them.Yeah, I want them to grow up and get a grip on reality.
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Post by slappy on Dec 5, 2013 21:07:00 GMT -5
Do you believe there is any valid reason to be religious? What happens if whoever is given the authority to oversee the evaluations decides they all need to be locked up? How do we do that? It would be a sad state of affairs if 90% of the country were deemed unfit for normal society. So what would you suggest would be appropriate action to take with grown adults that still believe in fairy tales? Like I said, if I went around claiming Santa Clause is real I would be mentally evaluated and most likely deemed unfit for society. Locking these people up would not be a solution, but at the same time it shouldn't be acceptable for a grown adult to believe in fairy tales. This isn't about what I want. You claim they need a mental evaluation. So you don't want to lock them up. Medication, shock the pray away camps? What do you want done with them? No one is stopping adults from believing in Santa Claus.
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Post by slappy on Dec 5, 2013 21:07:27 GMT -5
So if they aren't locked up, do we medicate them somehow? Make them go to some place to "deprogram" them? What is done with them after the evaluation? Because if they are being forced to get an evaluation, you obviously want something done with them.Yeah, I want them to grow up and get a grip on reality. And how do you want to achieve that?
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Post by Revvie® on Dec 5, 2013 21:12:14 GMT -5
Everyone has a few irrationalities they believe, as long as they cause no one else direct harm, they shouldn't be treated like they are inept for society. A lot of my friends believe in all sorts of this or that, while condemning others for believing this or that. At the end of the day, I feel like everyone needs a few beliefs to get by; even if it is as simple as "I am great at what I am doing right now."
Some people NEED religion to remain in a world that has no inherent purpose or meaning. There is nothing wrong with that in my eyes, granted, as long as it isn't being used by that person to inflict direct harm on others. Generalizations, the past, and all other forms of grouping isn't a good enough reason to obliterate something that will probably always be in a portion of mankind; beliefs without proof.
For instance, I believe I am great writer, and that certainly isn't valid all the time and I cant prove it empirically. But I need that belief to keep me writing. :/
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 5, 2013 21:16:06 GMT -5
Yeah, I want them to grow up and get a grip on reality. And how do you want to achieve that? Got any suggestions?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 21:16:43 GMT -5
You don't believe what I believe, therefore you are crazy and should be segregated from 'normal' society.
That doesn't sound familiar at all.
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Post by slappy on Dec 5, 2013 21:18:13 GMT -5
And how do you want to achieve that? Got any suggestions? You are the one proposing it so it should be on you to come up with ideas. I just want to hear what you want.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 5, 2013 22:26:09 GMT -5
You don't believe what I believe, therefore you are crazy and should be segregated from 'normal' society. That doesn't sound familiar at all. It's not about having or not having different beliefs, I'm talking about grown adults that still believe in fairy tales. Anyone can believe what they want, but I'm sorry, anyone that believes in talking snakes and the like are clearly not all mentally there. You are the one proposing it so it should be on you to come up with ideas. I just want to hear what you want. I already told you what I wanted. I want these people to grow up and get a grip on reality. How do I go about doing that? I have no idea. I'm forced to live in a world where grown adults still believe in fairy tales and childish allegories and I suppose there's nothing I can do about it which is why I asked for suggestions.
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Post by slappy on Dec 5, 2013 22:30:34 GMT -5
I already told you what I wanted. I want these people to grow up and get a grip on reality. How do I go about doing that? I have no idea. I'm forced to live in a world where grown adults still believe in fairy tales and childish allegories and I suppose there's nothing I can do about it which is why I asked for suggestions. You want them to get mental evaluations. But what happens after that? They just get evaluated and sent on their way? So what's the point of the evaluation if nothing is going to be done? You obviously want something done. What is it? And I don't mean your "grow up" idea. You want them to see a mental health expert for a reason. What do you want that expert to do to those they believe are crazy (and to you that is any religious person). Do they start them on some medicine? Put them away in a mental institution? Do some kind of shock treatment to "deprogram" them? What?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2013 22:38:37 GMT -5
You don't believe what I believe, therefore you are crazy and should be segregated from 'normal' society. That doesn't sound familiar at all. It's not about having or not having different beliefs, I'm talking about grown adults that still believe in fairy tales. Anyone can believe what they want, but I'm sorry, anyone that believes in talking snakes and the like are clearly not all mentally there. You are the one proposing it so it should be on you to come up with ideas. I just want to hear what you want. I already told you what I wanted. I want these people to grow up and get a grip on reality. How do I go about doing that? I have no idea. I'm forced to live in a world where grown adults still believe in fairy tales and childish allegories and I suppose there's nothing I can do about it which is why I asked for suggestions. I'm forced to live in a world where there are people that refuse to let others believe what they want to without ridiculing and demeaning them every chance they can. The easiest solution to your problem? You growing up and getting a grip on the reality that not everyone is gonna think the same as you, and they're not stupid or crazy for it, nor should be taken out of 'normal' society.
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 5, 2013 23:49:31 GMT -5
You don't believe what I believe, therefore you are crazy and should be segregated from 'normal' society. That doesn't sound familiar at all. It's not about having or not having different beliefs, I'm talking about grown adults that still believe in fairy tales. Anyone can believe what they want, but I'm sorry, anyone that believes in talking snakes and the like are clearly not all mentally there. No, it's clearly about having different beliefs, which is something you have a serious problem with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 1:40:52 GMT -5
It's not about having or not having different beliefs, I'm talking about grown adults that still believe in fairy tales. Anyone can believe what they want, but I'm sorry, anyone that believes in talking snakes and the like are clearly not all mentally there. No, it's clearly about having different beliefs, which is something you have a serious problem with. "It's not about having different beliefs, I'm talking about what people believe that's different that what I believe. Anyone can believe what they want, but you're crazy if you don't believe what I do." Biggest hypocrite I've ever seen.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 6, 2013 8:38:43 GMT -5
I already told you what I wanted. I want these people to grow up and get a grip on reality. How do I go about doing that? I have no idea. I'm forced to live in a world where grown adults still believe in fairy tales and childish allegories and I suppose there's nothing I can do about it which is why I asked for suggestions. You want them to get mental evaluations. But what happens after that? They just get evaluated and sent on their way? So what's the point of the evaluation if nothing is going to be done? You obviously want something done. What is it? And I don't mean your "grow up" idea. You want them to see a mental health expert for a reason. What do you want that expert to do to those they believe are crazy (and to you that is any religious person). Do they start them on some medicine? Put them away in a mental institution? Do some kind of shock treatment to "deprogram" them? What? I don't know what to tell you. I suppose there's nothing that can be done about grown adults that still believe in fairy tales. And of course no one is stopping me from believing in Santa Clause, but that still doesn't make it socially acceptable.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 6, 2013 8:46:24 GMT -5
It's not about having or not having different beliefs, I'm talking about grown adults that still believe in fairy tales. Anyone can believe what they want, but I'm sorry, anyone that believes in talking snakes and the like are clearly not all mentally there. No, it's clearly about having different beliefs, which is something you have a serious problem with. No, it's clearly about having different beliefs, which is something you have a serious problem with. "It's not about having different beliefs, I'm talking about what people believe that's different that what I believe. Anyone can believe what they want, but you're crazy if you don't believe what I do." Biggest hypocrite I've ever seen. You people just don't get it. You really think it's normal for grown adults to believe in talking snakes, burning bushes, cockatrices, leviathans, resurrections, man walking on water, angels, demons and the like? If I went around claiming that I believe that Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy were real, people would think that I was a weirdo and would not want to associate with me.
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Post by T R W on Dec 6, 2013 8:51:15 GMT -5
No, it's clearly about having different beliefs, which is something you have a serious problem with. "It's not about having different beliefs, I'm talking about what people believe that's different that what I believe. Anyone can believe what they want, but you're crazy if you don't believe what I do." Biggest hypocrite I've ever seen. You people just don't get it. You really think it's normal for grown adults to believe in talking snakes, burning bushes, cockatrices, leviathans, resurrections, man walking on water, angels, demons and the like? If I went around claiming that I believe that Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny and theTooth Fairy were real, people would think that I was a weirdo and would not want to associate with me. It IS normal. Most people DO believe in some sort of spiritual deity. It is outside of the norm to not believe. That's just the facts. Sure it's slowly shifting. But odds are you will be dead before it is normal to not believe.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 6, 2013 9:18:31 GMT -5
You people just don't get it. You really think it's normal for grown adults to believe in talking snakes, burning bushes, cockatrices, leviathans, resurrections, man walking on water, angels, demons and the like? If I went around claiming that I believe that Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny and theTooth Fairy were real, people would think that I was a weirdo and would not want to associate with me. It IS normal. Most people DO believe in some sort of spiritual deity. It is outside of the norm to not believe. That's just the facts. Sure it's slowly shifting. But odds are you will be dead before it is normal to not believe. Odds are the world will be dead long before then. Given the fact that we've yet to encounter a civilization that was our is atheist you can make the argument that it's abnormal to not believe in a deity and those people should be locked up. Sent from my ADR6350 using proboards
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Post by T R W on Dec 6, 2013 9:50:28 GMT -5
I remember when I was an angry 19 year old, who really just figured out I was atheist. I would argue with religious people all the time, or look down on them. Then I got older, and I realized that I was just being an a hole. I still am atheist, but I have been through, and seen enough stuff, that I understand why people turn to religion. Honestly, whatever helps people get through the day without bothering me, knock yourself out. The worst thing religions have done for me is tie up traffic when I am trying to get somewhere on a Sunday. Sure, I was brought up going to church. My parents believed. My grandfather believed. But as much as I think going to church is silly, they do good things. Sure, for every community church that helps out the community, there is a Jim Baker or Benny Hinn that is conning someone out of their money. But maybe what those people are buying with their money is "peace of mind." To be honest with you, that is something that I realize the older I get, is truly priceless. Some people get it from religion, others learning, others from drugs or alcohol. Plenty of greatness has been done in the name of religion, and plenty of evil has also been done. You could say the same thing about science too.
I know that was a bit rambling, but I just wanted to share my perspective.
I know you are angry. It wasn't long ago I remember you posting here about you being religious. Then I remember you posting about how you have accepted atheism. Nothing wrong with that, but your anger at feeling deceived by religion is clouding your judgement and making you as bad as the people you are speaking out against. Just food for thought.
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Post by Cooperman on Dec 6, 2013 10:07:01 GMT -5
It's a step in the wrong direction. Freedom of religion is a basic human right as much as freedom of speech is. end of.
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