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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 6, 2013 10:49:00 GMT -5
No, it's clearly about having different beliefs, which is something you have a serious problem with. "It's not about having different beliefs, I'm talking about what people believe that's different that what I believe. Anyone can believe what they want, but you're crazy if you don't believe what I do." Biggest hypocrite I've ever seen. You people just don't get it. You really think it's normal for grown adults to believe in talking snakes, burning bushes, cockatrices, leviathans, resurrections, man walking on water, angels, demons and the like? If I went around claiming that I believe that Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy were real, people would think that I was a weirdo and would not want to associate with me. Proving my point here. It upsets you that people have different ideas about the world. I'm sorry that these things offend you so much. Why do you care so much what people believe? Do you think it upsets me that you're atheist? No in the slightest. So what is it about those people that upsets you so much to the point that you're not even friends with them? Just let people have their beliefs without insulting them. You're heart seems to full of hate. It's so freeing to accept that people are different and have different opinions on the full range of issues that face them daily, including their faith.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 6, 2013 12:02:19 GMT -5
You people just don't get it. You really think it's normal for grown adults to believe in talking snakes, burning bushes, cockatrices, leviathans, resurrections, man walking on water, angels, demons and the like? If I went around claiming that I believe that Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy were real, people would think that I was a weirdo and would not want to associate with me. Proving my point here. It upsets you that people have different ideas about the world. I'm sorry that these things offend you so much. Why do you care so much what people believe? Do you think it upsets me that you're atheist? No in the slightest. So what is it about those people that upsets you so much to the point that you're not even friends with them? Just let people have their beliefs without insulting them. You're heart seems to full of hate. It's so freeing to accept that people are different and have different opinions on the full range of issues that face them daily, including their faith. Well then, I guess it's okay if I go around and preach the word of Batman and Spider-Man and claim that they truly do exist and are the true saviors of this world. You do realize if I were to do this, people would think there was something wrong with me and that I need help. Don't deny it, because you know it's true. So if I would get scrutinized for claiming that Batman and Spider-Man really exist and are here to save the world, why then is it okay for people to go around and claim that talking snakes, burning bushes, cockatrices, leviathans, resurrections, men walking on water, giants, angels and demons really exist? Why are they exempt? It just isn't normal for grown adults to believe in such nonsense. Did you not see the quote I posted by Bertrand Russel? A better statement could not have been made on this issue. It's truly insane that you think it's acceptable for grown adults to believe in childish fairy tales.
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 6, 2013 12:33:06 GMT -5
Proving my point here. It upsets you that people have different ideas about the world. I'm sorry that these things offend you so much. Why do you care so much what people believe? Do you think it upsets me that you're atheist? No in the slightest. So what is it about those people that upsets you so much to the point that you're not even friends with them? Just let people have their beliefs without insulting them. You're heart seems to full of hate. It's so freeing to accept that people are different and have different opinions on the full range of issues that face them daily, including their faith. Well then, I guess it's okay if I go around and preach the word of Batman and Spider-Man and claim that they truly do exist and are the true saviors of this world. You do realize if I were to do this, people would think there was something wrong with me and that I need help. Don't deny it, because you know it's true. So if I would get scrutinized for claiming that Batman and Spider-Man really exist and are here to save the world, why then is it okay for people to go around and claim that talking snakes, burning bushes, cockatrices, leviathans, resurrections, men walking on water, giants, angels and demons really exist? Why are they exempt? It just isn't normal for grown adults to believe in such nonsense. Did you not see the quote I posted by Bertrand Russel? A better statement could not have been made on this issue. It's truly insane that you think it's acceptable for grown adults to believe in childish fairy tales. Wow... Still proving my point here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2013 13:04:54 GMT -5
I do find it odd that people still believe in all these religions when their "facts" strictly contradict what we know to be fact (IE the universe being 6000 years old). Especially considering it's all a very hard thing to buy into to begin with with all the fantasy stories that are inside the thing. I do wonder if the Bible was ever intended to be fact when it was written? People don't buy into the greek mythology of Zeus what makes Christianity's Bible so different? They're all essentially derivative of the same themes.
I think one of the things I dislike most about religion are the people who hide behind it to abuse the innocent (IE the millions of Priests who molest children). In fact I have often wondered if the entire thing is a cover for an enormous ring of child molesters to get away with the sick things they do. I'm not saying that all Catholics are like that, but when the pope is pardoning them, you've gotta wonder.
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Post by StingerSplash on Dec 6, 2013 14:42:30 GMT -5
Proving my point here. It upsets you that people have different ideas about the world. I'm sorry that these things offend you so much. Why do you care so much what people believe? Do you think it upsets me that you're atheist? No in the slightest. So what is it about those people that upsets you so much to the point that you're not even friends with them? Just let people have their beliefs without insulting them. You're heart seems to full of hate. It's so freeing to accept that people are different and have different opinions on the full range of issues that face them daily, including their faith. Well then, I guess it's okay if I go around and preach the word of Batman and Spider-Man and claim that they truly do exist and are the true saviors of this world. You do realize if I were to do this, people would think there was something wrong with me and that I need help. Don't deny it, because you know it's true. So if I would get scrutinized for claiming that Batman and Spider-Man really exist and are here to save the world, why then is it okay for people to go around and claim that talking snakes, burning bushes, cockatrices, leviathans, resurrections, men walking on water, giants, angels and demons really exist? Why are they exempt? It just isn't normal for grown adults to believe in such nonsense. Did you not see the quote I posted by Bertrand Russel? A better statement could not have been made on this issue. It's truly insane that you think it's acceptable for grown adults to believe in childish fairy tales. Maybe I think you believe in a fairy tale for believing that nothing combined with nothing to create the entire universe as we know it. You don't see me hating you because of it. Also, your actions are more intolerant and hate-filled than just about everyone I've seen.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 6, 2013 14:45:31 GMT -5
Well then, I guess it's okay if I go around and preach the word of Batman and Spider-Man and claim that they truly do exist and are the true saviors of this world. You do realize if I were to do this, people would think there was something wrong with me and that I need help. Don't deny it, because you know it's true. So if I would get scrutinized for claiming that Batman and Spider-Man really exist and are here to save the world, why then is it okay for people to go around and claim that talking snakes, burning bushes, cockatrices, leviathans, resurrections, men walking on water, giants, angels and demons really exist? Why are they exempt? It just isn't normal for grown adults to believe in such nonsense. Did you not see the quote I posted by Bertrand Russel? A better statement could not have been made on this issue. It's truly insane that you think it's acceptable for grown adults to believe in childish fairy tales. Wow... Still proving my point here. What are you talking about? What exactly is your point? That it's perfectly acceptable to be a grown adult that believes in childish fairy tales. If that's the case then you have zero credibility in my eyes and it was a complete waste of time conversing with you on the subject.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 6, 2013 14:49:12 GMT -5
Well then, I guess it's okay if I go around and preach the word of Batman and Spider-Man and claim that they truly do exist and are the true saviors of this world. You do realize if I were to do this, people would think there was something wrong with me and that I need help. Don't deny it, because you know it's true. So if I would get scrutinized for claiming that Batman and Spider-Man really exist and are here to save the world, why then is it okay for people to go around and claim that talking snakes, burning bushes, cockatrices, leviathans, resurrections, men walking on water, giants, angels and demons really exist? Why are they exempt? It just isn't normal for grown adults to believe in such nonsense. Did you not see the quote I posted by Bertrand Russel? A better statement could not have been made on this issue. It's truly insane that you think it's acceptable for grown adults to believe in childish fairy tales. Maybe I think you believe in a fairy tale for believing that nothing combined with nothing to create the entire universe as we know it. You don't see me hating you because of it. Also, your actions are more intolerant and hate-filled than just about everyone I've seen. LMAO! Except that my "fairy tales" have tons of evidence to back it up. Also, LOL at your comment "nothing combined with nothing created the entire universe". So where exactly did god come from then? It's impossible to believe that the universe came into existence from nothing but it's perfectly acceptable to believe that an invisible sky daddy came from nothing and created the universe? Come on now. And if you actually did some research, you'd know that the universe didn't just come from nothing.
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Post by StingerSplash on Dec 6, 2013 14:52:26 GMT -5
Maybe I think you believe in a fairy tale for believing that nothing combined with nothing to create the entire universe as we know it. You don't see me hating you because of it. Also, your actions are more intolerant and hate-filled than just about everyone I've seen. LMAO! Except that my "fairy tales" have tons of evidence to back it up. Also, LOL at your comment "nothing combined with nothing created the entire universe". So where exactly did god come from then? It's impossible to believe that the universe came into existence from nothing but it's perfectly acceptable to believe that an invisible sky daddy came from nothing and created the universe? Come on now. And if you actually did some research, you'd know that the universe didn't just come from nothing. I've done the research. Everything says we're an accident. It's just simply not the case. If you look at nature and how perfectly everything works, how our bodies work perfectly the way they do. How the earth is the perfect distance away from the Sun so that we don't burn up, but close enough that we are just warm enough. How every planet has a perfect orbit around the sun. How our atmosphere is perfectly made up of the right amount of each element that allows us to breathe. None of this could have been by accident. The fact that everything works perfectly together the way it does is proof that there is a supreme being who created all of this. It couldn't have been some cosmic accident, it just absolutely doesn't make sense that way. The Bible also says that God gave us power over all of the animals, and look how true that is. We are able to reason, think for ourselves, love, feel emotions, etc. We didn't develop these things because of years of 'evolution.' We have these abilities because of a God who gave them to us. The way the universe works, the way that everything is perfectly organized supports a creator. Not to mention that the Bible was written over a few thousand years by countless authors, all from different lifestyles, occupations, and parts of the world, and none of the stories conflict, and every prophecy came true.
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 6, 2013 15:15:28 GMT -5
Proving my point here. It upsets you that people have different ideas about the world. I'm sorry that these things offend you so much. Why do you care so much what people believe? Do you think it upsets me that you're atheist? No in the slightest. So what is it about those people that upsets you so much to the point that you're not even friends with them? Just let people have their beliefs without insulting them. You're heart seems to full of hate. It's so freeing to accept that people are different and have different opinions on the full range of issues that face them daily, including their faith. Well then, I guess it's okay if I go around and preach the word of Batman and Spider-Man and claim that they truly do exist and are the true saviors of this world. You do realize if I were to do this, people would think there was something wrong with me and that I need help. Don't deny it, because you know it's true. So if I would get scrutinized for claiming that Batman and Spider-Man really exist and are here to save the world, why then is it okay for people to go around and claim that talking snakes, burning bushes, cockatrices, leviathans, resurrections, men walking on water, giants, angels and demons really exist? Why are they exempt? It just isn't normal for grown adults to believe in such nonsense. Did you not see the quote I posted by Bertrand Russel? A better statement could not have been made on this issue. It's truly insane that you think it's acceptable for grown adults to believe in childish fairy tales. As already pointed out, it's very normal to believe such things. Given that, historically, every society we've ever encountered/discovered has had a religion of some sort and given that over 90-95% of people on Earth right now believe in some sort of deity, then it's very, very normal for adults to believe in such things.
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Dec 6, 2013 15:43:39 GMT -5
LMAO! Except that my "fairy tales" have tons of evidence to back it up. Also, LOL at your comment "nothing combined with nothing created the entire universe". So where exactly did god come from then? It's impossible to believe that the universe came into existence from nothing but it's perfectly acceptable to believe that an invisible sky daddy came from nothing and created the universe? Come on now. And if you actually did some research, you'd know that the universe didn't just come from nothing. I've done the research. Everything says we're an accident. It's just simply not the case. If you look at nature and how perfectly everything works, how our bodies work perfectly the way they do. How the earth is the perfect distance away from the Sun so that we don't burn up, but close enough that we are just warm enough. How every planet has a perfect orbit around the sun. How our atmosphere is perfectly made up of the right amount of each element that allows us to breathe. None of this could have been by accident. The fact that everything works perfectly together the way it does is proof that there is a supreme being who created all of this. It couldn't have been some cosmic accident, it just absolutely doesn't make sense that way. The Bible also says that God gave us power over all of the animals, and look how true that is. We are able to reason, think for ourselves, love, feel emotions, etc. We didn't develop these things because of years of 'evolution.' We have these abilities because of a God who gave them to us. The way the universe works, the way that everything is perfectly organized supports a creator. Not to mention that the Bible was written over a few thousand years by countless authors, all from different lifestyles, occupations, and parts of the world, and none of the stories conflict, and every prophecy came true. There are actually a lot of scientific explanations for some of the stuff that you mentioned. Organism development can be explained through evolution--- those with genetic variability that cause them be unfit in the world die off while those with variability that allows them to survive pass on their genes to their progeny. An accumulation of this is what organisms are today. Biological Anthropology shows that people back many millennia are very different from who we are today. So I don't think if God did we really create us, he created us the way we are today from the beginning. It took years and years of gene pools dying off and favorable mutations arising to get us where we are today. From your astronomy points, things can be explained through chemistry and physics. Planetary orbits can be explained through Kepler's Laws, and the atmosphere can be explained through stuff like a more indepth look at the oxygen cycle. How is our planet the only one that is stable enough to support life (As far as we know)? I don't know but there are millions upon millions of galaxies in our universe with millions upon millions of stars within each one of them that can have planets, much like those in our solar system, orbiting around them. In terms of probability it is highly likely that some planets would be identical to our own, and our planet just happened to be one of the lucky ones. There's a lot of stuff that we don't know or don't understand, but to 'we don't understand so therefore God must have done it', is sort of a wrong approach to take. Neil DeGrasse Tyson said it best when he said This is not a shot at your belief in God, however. I, personally, like to believe that there is a God and despite popular belief that science and spirituality can't co-exist, there are scientists who are also religious with the idea that perhaps God was just a catalyst for these processes. Despite science ever growing characteristics, there just some questions that we will never know the answers to until we are dead or if God appears before us. "For what purpose are we here?" "Why does the universe exist? How did it come to existence?" Perhaps it is beyond our understanding. Whether you want to fill that void with God is up to the individual I guess.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 6, 2013 16:08:09 GMT -5
LMAO! Except that my "fairy tales" have tons of evidence to back it up. Also, LOL at your comment "nothing combined with nothing created the entire universe". So where exactly did god come from then? It's impossible to believe that the universe came into existence from nothing but it's perfectly acceptable to believe that an invisible sky daddy came from nothing and created the universe? Come on now. And if you actually did some research, you'd know that the universe didn't just come from nothing. I've done the research. Everything says we're an accident. It's just simply not the case. If you look at nature and how perfectly everything works, how our bodies work perfectly the way they do. How the earth is the perfect distance away from the Sun so that we don't burn up, but close enough that we are just warm enough. How every planet has a perfect orbit around the sun. How our atmosphere is perfectly made up of the right amount of each element that allows us to breathe. None of this could have been by accident. The fact that everything works perfectly together the way it does is proof that there is a supreme being who created all of this. It couldn't have been some cosmic accident, it just absolutely doesn't make sense that way. The Bible also says that God gave us power over all of the animals, and look how true that is. We are able to reason, think for ourselves, love, feel emotions, etc. We didn't develop these things because of years of 'evolution.' We have these abilities because of a God who gave them to us. The way the universe works, the way that everything is perfectly organized supports a creator. Not to mention that the Bible was written over a few thousand years by countless authors, all from different lifestyles, occupations, and parts of the world, and none of the stories conflict, and every prophecy came true. Clearly you haven't. The universe was most certainly not created by accident. The big bang was inevitable due to the law of gravity. I suggest you read some books by Stephen Hawking, Carl Sagan and Neil DeGrasse Tyson before making any more outlandish claims. If a divine being created the universe, why then did he only decide to make one planet hospitable for life? I realize there are other planets out there that could also be hospitable, but what exactly is the purpose of Saturn, Jupiter, Neptune, ect... They support no life and have absolutely no purpose, where's the "intelligent design" behind that. Think about it. There are billions and billions of planets and galaxies out there, so there is a one in a billion chance that just the right events were able to create life and a hospitable planet. Planet earth and it's inhabitants were that one in a billion chance. This most certainly is not proof of a divine being. There is no evidence to support the existence of a divine being but there is tons and tons of evidence to support this "cosmic accident" as you call it. And a divine being coming into existence creating an entire universe yet making only one tiny planet hospitable for human life doesn't make the least bit of sense. If you actually put down your book of mythology and fairy tales and actually read a science book, you'd realize that the scientific explanation for ours and the universe's existence makes perfect sense. The fact that you say it doesn't truly shows how little you know of the subject. Seriously, do some research. I did and that's how I went from being a Christian to an Atheist. I realized that nothing about Christianity makes the least bit of sense, but science, while it doesn't have the answers for everything, is much more logical and rational than anything that religion teaches.
[/quote] The Bible says a lot of things. It says a talking snake convinced a naked woman to eat an apple which ended up condemning humanity forever. It also says a man walked on water, turned water into wine and was crucified and resurrected. It also says a man was swallowed by a fish and survived 3 days. Another thing it says is that a 600 year old man was told by god to build an ark big enough to hold 2 of every single animal in the world to protect themselves from a 40 day long flood. Let's see, oh yeah, it also speaks of the existence of cockatrices and leviathans and angels and demons. And you want to talk about how science doesn't make sense? Come on now. We are who we are today because of evolution and there is an astonishing amount of evidence to back this up. Denying evolution is the modern day equivalent of denying that the earth is round or that it is not the center of the universe. No it doesn't Oh man, where do I even begin with this one? First of all, there are numerous contradictions in the Bible. Lets take a look, shall we: Here's the website that has the full list: Bible ContradictionsO RLY? Please, tell me, which one's would those be. And don't forget to provide evidence. Now answer me this. God is supposed to be omnipotent, all knowing and can see the future, right? How is it that he regretted creating people for using the free will that he gave them? Did he not foresee that giving people free will was a bad idea in his mind? He must not have because this so called "loving god" flooded the entire earth and massacred every living thing save for the ones on his magical boat because of his regret for creating people. And then he regrets flooding the earth. How the does someone who can see into the future and can foresee every outcome, have regrets? Not to mention calling himself a "loving" god but has no problem slaughtering the population of earth. You really wanna talk about stuff that doesn't make the least bit of sense? Please, I'm dying to hear your response.
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 6, 2013 16:17:01 GMT -5
Well then, I guess it's okay if I go around and preach the word of Batman and Spider-Man and claim that they truly do exist and are the true saviors of this world. You do realize if I were to do this, people would think there was something wrong with me and that I need help. Don't deny it, because you know it's true. So if I would get scrutinized for claiming that Batman and Spider-Man really exist and are here to save the world, why then is it okay for people to go around and claim that talking snakes, burning bushes, cockatrices, leviathans, resurrections, men walking on water, giants, angels and demons really exist? Why are they exempt? It just isn't normal for grown adults to believe in such nonsense. Did you not see the quote I posted by Bertrand Russel? A better statement could not have been made on this issue. It's truly insane that you think it's acceptable for grown adults to believe in childish fairy tales. As already pointed out, it's very normal to believe such things. Given that, historically, every society we've ever encountered/discovered has had a religion of some sort and given that over 90-95% of people on Earth right now believe in some sort of deity, then it's very, very normal for adults to believe in such things. If that's normality then it's no surprise why this world is so ed up. Grown adults believing in childish, nonsensical fairy tales should not be the norm, I'm sorry, it's just not logical or rational. And just because the majority believe in something, doesn't make it fact, it's still silly regardless of how many people believe it. It just goes to show you that only 5% of the population are logical, rational thinkers and the rest are morons. Ask Stephen Hawking if he believes in talking snakes. Ask Neil DeGrasse Tyson if he believes in burning bushes that can talk. Ask Carl Sagan if he believed in angels and demons. Ask Einstein if he believed a man can walk on water, change it into wine and resurrect himself from the dead. Ask Charles Darwin if he believed in leviathans and cockatrices. Ask any truly intelligent person if they believe in any of that nonsense. A decades long study has indeed proven that Atheists are more intelligent than Theists: Atheists vs. Theists
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Post by Hulkamaniac on Dec 6, 2013 16:17:36 GMT -5
Your "biblical contradictions" are laughable. Any believer with half a brain could poke a zillion holes in them. You have to know this. Or has your hatred blinded you so badly?
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 6, 2013 16:19:55 GMT -5
Your "biblical contradictions" are laughable. Any believer with half a brain could poke a zillion holes in them. You have to know this. Or has your hatred blinded you so badly? Sent from my Nexus 10 using proboards Okay, why don't you take a whack at trying to disprove them? And I love how you just single out one of my valid arguments. I'm really curious as to what you have to say about the rest.
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Post by slappy on Dec 6, 2013 18:35:21 GMT -5
You want them to get mental evaluations. But what happens after that? They just get evaluated and sent on their way? So what's the point of the evaluation if nothing is going to be done? You obviously want something done. What is it? And I don't mean your "grow up" idea. You want them to see a mental health expert for a reason. What do you want that expert to do to those they believe are crazy (and to you that is any religious person). Do they start them on some medicine? Put them away in a mental institution? Do some kind of shock treatment to "deprogram" them? What? I don't know what to tell you. I suppose there's nothing that can be done about grown adults that still believe in fairy tales. And of course no one is stopping me from believing in Santa Clause, but that still doesn't make it socially acceptable. I don't want to know about what can realistically be done. I want to know, if you were in charge, what would you do to religious people? You want them to get mental evaluations. For what purpose? What do you want to happen?
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Post by Lord Ragnarok on Dec 6, 2013 18:44:45 GMT -5
I don't know what to tell you. I suppose there's nothing that can be done about grown adults that still believe in fairy tales. And of course no one is stopping me from believing in Santa Clause, but that still doesn't make it socially acceptable. I don't want to know about what can realistically be done. I want to know, if you were in charge, what would you do to religious people? You want them to get mental evaluations. For what purpose? What do you want to happen? They should receive psychiatric treatment.
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Post by slappy on Dec 6, 2013 18:47:56 GMT -5
I don't want to know about what can realistically be done. I want to know, if you were in charge, what would you do to religious people? You want them to get mental evaluations. For what purpose? What do you want to happen? They should receive psychiatric treatment. Forced vaccinations bad. Forced psychiatric treatment (including medication and institutionalization) good.
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 6, 2013 18:50:05 GMT -5
They should receive psychiatric treatment. Forced vaccinations bad. Forced psychiatric treatment (including medication and institutionalization) good. Interesting. Seems like a Nazi Germany thing. Should we also prep ovens?
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Post by Tim of thee on Dec 6, 2013 18:55:12 GMT -5
See this is the problem I have, not with atheism, but with you. You think everyone who have some kind of belief different than you is a psycho and should get psychiatric help.
Nobody here is forcing you to be religious, yet you continue to preach atheism and when we don't agree with you, you call us crazy and idiotic.
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Post by Fleet Foxes on Dec 6, 2013 19:04:00 GMT -5
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