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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 20:26:35 GMT -5
I don't think I belittled anyone..... and I don't think I actually disagree with most of the people on here. I have come to enjoy collecting Mattel products. I think they do a great job, and I think the quality of the Mattel WWE line is excellent. Sometimes I do wish Mattel released legends a bit more frequently.... I was an avid collector of JAKKS Classics and long for the days when the legends flowed like a river of action figures.... and I enjoyed going into stores and finding new figures that I didn't even know were coming out - the Internet will probably prevent that from ever happening again Remember when they released, like FIVE versions of Superstar Billy Graham? You won't find Mattel doing that kind of thing.... I work for a contracted company (that has nothing to do with toys or action figures) - and I just know what when the time comes for the contract to be renewed, more is always requested/expected - "what more can you do for me?" I've never seen a company just sit back and say "well, everything's going well, so where do we sign?" Questions are always asked, bids are always put out, it's an intense negotiation of how much can one company provide for the other.... My only point was "can WWE ask for more from Mattel?" - and that seemed to set a lot of people off. Folks, it's always okay to ask for more from these companies.... sometimes they can make changes, no problem! Sometimes, they just didn't know what we really were asking for! Other times, some of our requests are outrageous and unfeasible..... sometimes we ask for too much. I'm not asking for Mattel to make the line unprofitable... I would just like the voice of the legends collectors to be heard. And I agree, the economy has changed since the glory days of JAKKS..... I will always cherich my JAKKS collection, and I would like to add many more Mattel legends to my shelves! Ah. Sorry for the misunderstanding. I guess I got lost in the back-and-forth argument and essentially misread what you wrote. After all, there's no tone in text. Anyway, my point remains the same; Mattel is stepping up their game as the contract expires. Maybe it's not in the way you (and nearly everyone on here) want it to be (Legends), but they still are. They're experimenting with new toy lines (revamped Flex Force, Slam City), drastically changed their packaging to be more eye-catching, and have upped the ante when it comes to accessories. I don't even watch the current product, so I definitely would prefer Legends, but I also realize that they are doing (in their eyes) their best with what they have to both appeal to the adult collector (Flashbacks) while still turning a profit. Unfortunately, a string of poorly selling Legends (Legends series, Defining Moments, All-Stars) ruined their opinions of selling a dedicated adult collector line. I can't say if they're right or wrong about whether it would sell now that most collectors have officially transitioned over to Mattel, but, from a business stand-point, it would be suicide to throw all their profit at something that didn't work the first time. You have to keep in mind that the Flashbacks seem like they sell so well because they're packaged significantly less common than the modern figure. I can't tell you how many Elite 23 Triple H's I've seen shelf-warming, and he's a name kids know today. As far as them needing to go the extra mile because the contract is expiring, you need to keep in mind who their contract is with. WWE has always been in a state of nearly-apathetic complacency when they don't have serious competition. You can tell by looking at their video game series, toy lines, and even the main product (New Generation, post WCW-buyout, current era). Mattel toys sell well. At this point, they could package a turd and WWE would renew the contract. The fact that they've actually improved is just a testament to Mattel. They want to please us, but you have to remember that bottom-line, they're a company. They have a responsibility to turn a profit. It's not because of greed (okay, probably a little greed); they have to ensure the financial safety of those dependent in the company (employees, shareholders). It seems like this fact is lost on a lot of people these days (not saying you). Anyway, again, sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 6:42:13 GMT -5
JAKKS was much more prolific when it came to Legends, rings/accessories, and variety - Just go back and buy old Jakks figures on eBay if you like them that much. I'll stick with the higher-quality stuff. "Excuse us, biggest toy company in the world, jump through these hoops for us and put out more failing Legends figures because some guy on the Internet says to!" Not only does WWE not have the leverage to do that, they also have no reason to -- they are making more money from dolls now than they were prior. From a business perspective, nobody has any reason to keep pushing a Legends line. It's only hardcore collectors that pretend there is business sense in one. In reality, that line failed twice. Once at retail, and once as Internet-only after retail didn't want it anymore. Pretending that WWE should try pressuring Mattel into failing with it yet again does nothing but upset yourself, because the reality is so different from the fantasy world where Legends figures = success. Never. I've been walking into scenes like this all year: 1st, I along with the others that want them, are talking about a FLASHBACKS Only line, NOT Rebranding the "Legends" name. I've said this many times. Legends is just the term we use to describe old school figs. Flashbacks sell and are hot. now lets use this 1st pic as an example. say your a legends/flashback only collector or a parent looking for some of legends in the 2K14 game their son wants and you go to the store to find some. using this pic as the example, you get the choice of Christian, Christian, Christian or Christian! AWESOME! using another pic of yours, which has an Elite section 5 times the size of our elite sections at walmart/target, even some toys r us's. the choices are Deisel. that end cap one the choices are The Giant! MAYBE if your lucky the basic series out this time has ONE whole legend type fig. do you see where this is sucking and can really suck for collecting or buying these? you keep talking about the 2 times legends failed as if we all dont know why. the 2nd choice w/Matty was WORSE than the original option. $32 a fig after shipping on an obscure website no one knows about was supposed to help? FLASHBACK ONLY Line! 4 figs per set, & pic the choices well. 6 sets per year. every other month. dont over stock or over produce. stores WILL take a flashback line. I've asked a few mangagers at trus to inquire about it. they said they would take another legends line too if offered. I dont know where you get stores wont take them. heaven forbid us old school fans have a few choices at the store to choose from or buy. and if the line dont last another 5-6 yrs we can kiss MANY legends goodbye as having a chance to have a figure. NO Reason not to have 3-4 legends to choose at a store from like elite 23 had. Actually felt like a collector again having 4 choices at once in a store. a considering the flashbacks sold 1st at ALL the stores by me, I guess others out there feel the same.
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Post by The Mask of Truth on Dec 20, 2013 7:07:12 GMT -5
JAKKS was much more prolific when it came to Legends, rings/accessories, and variety - Just go back and buy old Jakks figures on eBay if you like them that much. I'll stick with the higher-quality stuff. "Excuse us, biggest toy company in the world, jump through these hoops for us and put out more failing Legends figures because some guy on the Internet says to!" Not only does WWE not have the leverage to do that, they also have no reason to -- they are making more money from dolls now than they were prior. From a business perspective, nobody has any reason to keep pushing a Legends line. It's only hardcore collectors that pretend there is business sense in one. In reality, that line failed twice. Once at retail, and once as Internet-only after retail didn't want it anymore. Pretending that WWE should try pressuring Mattel into failing with it yet again does nothing but upset yourself, because the reality is so different from the fantasy world where Legends figures = success. Never. I've been walking into scenes like this all year: Most those figures were some of the biggest shelf warmers of the year. Only figure that sold well was Jericho. Even the PTP battlepack warmed badly, and not until they turned face did they start to fly off shelves.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 20, 2013 8:44:46 GMT -5
now lets use this 1st pic as an example. say your a legends/flashback only collector or a parent looking for some of legends in the 2K14 game their son wants and you go to the store to find some. using this pic as the example, you get the choice of Christian, Christian, Christian or Christian! AWESOME! Let's indulge your fantasy then and imagine someone does a magic spell that makes retailers decide they want a Legends line again. Flashbacks disappear from the elite line and get their own line, which fails again. A year later, a legends/flashback collector has the choice of Nobody, Nobody or Nobody. Just because you and I like flashback figures doesn't mean they can sustain their own line - if they could, that line would exist. Or do you SERIOUSLY believe that theres's no Legends-only line because of a conspiracy against collectors? Heaven forbid a wrestling figure collector not act like a spoilt, entitled baby who thinks there's a conspiracy against him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 11:56:03 GMT -5
now lets use this 1st pic as an example. say your a legends/flashback only collector or a parent looking for some of legends in the 2K14 game their son wants and you go to the store to find some. using this pic as the example, you get the choice of Christian, Christian, Christian or Christian! AWESOME! Let's indulge your fantasy then and imagine someone does a magic spell that makes retailers decide they want a Legends line again. Flashbacks disappear from the elite line and get their own line, which fails again. A year later, a legends/flashback collector has the choice of Nobody, Nobody or Nobody. Just because you and I like flashback figures doesn't mean they can sustain their own line - if they could, that line would exist. Or do you SERIOUSLY believe that theres's no Legends-only line because of a conspiracy against collectors? Heaven forbid a wrestling figure collector not act like a spoilt, entitled baby who thinks there's a conspiracy against him. conspiracy? never said that! afraid to try again EVEN though both other ways failed for known reasons, yes! yeah, us old school collectors are just entitled spoiled brats beacuse we would like more than just the choice of ONE legend at the store. look at that 1st pic. its Christian or nothing! and for 2-3 months its that way. THATS ABSOLUTELY SUCKS! and thats the best Mattel, one of the LARGEST toy comanies in the world can do? spoiled brats want more than 1 fig to choose from, how dare they! and btw, biz 101 = complaining, feedback, comments, or voicing your concerns is the no.1, read it again, no.1 way services or products change or get improved upon. so no one is supposed to say anything and be happy with whatever we are givin? are you a communist? but go ahead keep calling people names because they want more figs and act like you know everything and are the end all be all of a conversation.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 20, 2013 13:40:11 GMT -5
conspiracy? never said that! Well there are two possible reasons why there is no Legends line: 1. It is not financially viable. 2. Conspiracy against collectors. Yes, but there's a difference between valid complaints and silly complaints. You imagining that there's a big enough market for a separate Legends line when both mass retail and online have proven there isn't? That's a silly complaint. Furthermore, if the requisite people from Kmart, Target, Toys R Us etc saw your post and liked it (and those are the people you should be complaining to, not MDT - MDT can't magically make stock appear unless stores order it)... If those companies ordered more Legends, and then the Legends line and elite line both suffered from one eating into the sales of the other, everybody loses out. The current system works.saying it should be replaced by the old system that didn't work is madness.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 20, 2013 13:48:07 GMT -5
Just go back and buy old Jakks figures on eBay if you like them that much. I'll stick with the higher-quality stuff. "Excuse us, biggest toy company in the world, jump through these hoops for us and put out more failing Legends figures because some guy on the Internet says to!" Not only does WWE not have the leverage to do that, they also have no reason to -- they are making more money from dolls now than they were prior. From a business perspective, nobody has any reason to keep pushing a Legends line. It's only hardcore collectors that pretend there is business sense in one. In reality, that line failed twice. Once at retail, and once as Internet-only after retail didn't want it anymore. Pretending that WWE should try pressuring Mattel into failing with it yet again does nothing but upset yourself, because the reality is so different from the fantasy world where Legends figures = success. Never. I've been walking into scenes like this all year: Most those figures were some of the biggest shelf warmers of the year. Only figure that sold well was Jericho. Even the PTP battlepack warmed badly, and not until they turned face did they start to fly off shelves. Maybe in your area. Cause in my area the only figures pictured that warmed any shelves are the Orton/Sheamus Battle pack. Everything else flew off the shelves here.
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Post by Stewie on Dec 20, 2013 14:19:44 GMT -5
I remember that it was a 5 year deal, so it would probably expire on December 31, 2014. However I do believe they signed an extension.
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Post by foleyera89 on Dec 22, 2013 12:50:42 GMT -5
Hopefully its Mattel 4Life
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