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Post by Zeke on Dec 19, 2013 3:36:43 GMT -5
Stone Cold Steve Austin.
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Post by BØRNS on Dec 19, 2013 4:06:31 GMT -5
I've got to go with Yokozuna.
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Post by greenjack1992 on Dec 19, 2013 4:19:43 GMT -5
Why is this not in the classics board?
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 19, 2013 6:41:07 GMT -5
Overrated. I gotta say hogan. Almost all of his wins ended by a body slam then a leg drop. Name four Hogan matches from the 90s where the ending was a bodyslam then a legdrop.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 6:44:39 GMT -5
Overrated. I gotta say hogan. Almost all of his wins ended by a body slam then a leg drop. Name four Hogan matches from the 90s where the ending was a bodyslam then a legdrop. Hogan tended to use the big boot/leg drop combo. I can't think of many matches where the bodyslam was used as a set up. In fact, besides the Andre match, none come to mind. I can easily name more matches that Hogan used the Ax Bomber as his finisher than I could a bodyslam/leg drop combo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 6:45:36 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels. His 2002-2010 stuff was so much better. Also, I can't believe so many people are saying Bret Hart. That is just shocking to me. If anything, Bret hart saved wrestling in the 90s in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 6:46:28 GMT -5
Yeah. pretty much keeping a company from going under is overated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 6:49:21 GMT -5
Yeah. pretty much keeping a company from going under is overated. I think Austin is underrated. His work rate in the ring is often overlooked. Before his neck injury, he was easily one of the best technicians in wrestling.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 19, 2013 6:49:36 GMT -5
Name four Hogan matches from the 90s where the ending was a bodyslam then a legdrop. Hogan tended to use the big boot/leg drop combo. I can't think of many matches where the bodyslam was used as a set up. In fact, besides the Andre match, none come to mind. I can easily name more matches that Hogan used the Ax Bomber as his finisher than I could a bodyslam/leg drop combo. Yeah, same. I think someone was criticising Hogan without actually having watched any of his matches.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 6:55:53 GMT -5
Yeah. pretty much keeping a company from going under is overated. I think Austin is underrated. His work rate in the ring is often overlooked. Before his neck injury, he was easily one of the best technicians in wrestling. agreed!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 6:56:38 GMT -5
Hogan tended to use the big boot/leg drop combo. I can't think of many matches where the bodyslam was used as a set up. In fact, besides the Andre match, none come to mind. I can easily name more matches that Hogan used the Ax Bomber as his finisher than I could a bodyslam/leg drop combo. Yeah, same. I think someone was criticising Hogan without actually having watched any of his matches. Im inclined to agree.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 8:13:35 GMT -5
Yeah, same. I think someone was criticising Hogan without actually having watched any of his matches. Im inclined to agree. ok, I have watched countless hogan matches. I dont know why but I felt he used the bodyslam a lot. I do remember him using the big boot a lot. Still, hogan IMO, is very stale in the ring. In most hogan matches he would take a few shots then act like they affected him none. He would then send them off the ropes and then hit a big boot/ leg drop for the win. I was wrong about the bodyslam though. That one memory tainted my knowledge.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 8:51:02 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels. His 2002-2010 stuff was so much better. Also, I can't believe so many people are saying Bret Hart. That is just shocking to me. If anything, Bret hart saved wrestling in the 90s in my opinion. Bret Hart is far from overrated. He has very few peers in the ring. And to find anyone better than Hart, you'd have to go back to Backlund or Lou Thesz (Angle would be on the list, but his time was after Bret's). In ring, Bret is one of the greatest of all time.
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Post by marino13 on Dec 19, 2013 10:30:08 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels. His 2002-2010 stuff was so much better. I was coming back to say the exact same thing.
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Post by ICW on Dec 19, 2013 10:36:36 GMT -5
Buff freakin' Bagwell. Overrated is an understatement.
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 19, 2013 11:55:58 GMT -5
It's funny to me that people think just because HBK was good when he returned in 02, that he wasn't amazing in the 90s.
Some of the best matches of his entire career came in the 90's. Maybe it's been long enough that you forgot, or you weren't watching at the time but Shawn was absolutely incredible in the ring by the mid 90s imo. His ladder matches with Razor, his matches with Owen, vs Diesel, vs Mankind (which Foley says is the best match of his entire career), his feud with Bulldog, he got the best matches out of Sid ever, his KOTR match with Austin, and let's not forget his trio of matches with Undertaker (including BB which is the best HIAC ever imo). Just because he was a giant assh*le doesn't mean he wasn't still spectacular. Even his early heel stuff as IC champ was good. The guy didn't show up in 2002 and just miraculously become one of the best ever, he was that good when he left in 98.
People just liked him when he came back in 2002 and he stopped being an assh*le. That's not to say he didn't have amazing matches upon his return to regain his fan base, because he obviously did, but that doesn't take away what he'd already done. He went from being the top babyface in the company in 1996 to the top heel in the company by fall of 1997. Shawn was the man in the 90s, love him or hate him. I wish he would have been active through the Attitude Era because there were feuds a plenty to be had with him.
Also, anyone saying Owen Hart is crazy imo. Guy is at the top of my most under rated wrestlers of the 90s list. His persona was awesome and he was the top heel in the company in 94. Why he wasn't made Champion instead of Bob Backlund is mind boggling to me to this day. I have no problem if Diesel jackknifes him in 13 seconds at Royal Rumble 95 and ends his reign, but he should have been WWF Champion from SvS 94 to RR95.
I don't think the 90s were loaded with an abundant amount of "over rated" talent. I think most of the guys who were supposed to get there got there, and the guys who were "over rated" were guys who earned their spot a long time ago. I'd say Lex Luger in WWF, but Vince never pulled the trigger, I'd say the same for Vader in WWF. I always see those guy on the list of guys who should have been WWF Champion, and I disagree. I know they were great in WCW, but neither of them were really anything special in WWF imo, at least not at the time when Vince could have gone with them as champ. I think one could make the argument that all of the top WCW talent got really lazy by 1999, and I would agree with that. Guys like DDP, Booker T, Scott Steiner, and Raven should have all become the focal point of the main event scene by 99 imo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 12:06:15 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels is the correct answer here. Shawn wasn't necessarily bad in the 90s, in fact he was far from it. But, he didn't draw and his work rate suffered because of his attitude and the bad booking decisions he made. His match quality was generally much better in both the 80s and 00s.
Anyone saying Bret Hart is wrong, and I have to question why they even watch wrestling. Or in fact if they do actually watch wrestling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 12:35:54 GMT -5
Owens both under and overrated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2013 13:13:32 GMT -5
Shawn was overrated to me because of two reasons:
1. His constant unprofessionalism INSIDE of the ring. (Temper tantrums, pouting, etc.)
2. His overselling was comical at many times.
Both of these issues were fixed when he returned in 2002. Except for that match with Hogan...
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Post by Road Warriors on Dec 19, 2013 13:21:23 GMT -5
BINGO... We have a Winner..
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