Barney Stinson
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Post by Barney Stinson on Dec 20, 2013 15:46:12 GMT -5
If Kennedy would have had his match with Flair as planned and Edge faced Orton, who do you think would have won MITB. Jeff Hardy maybe?
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Post by Barney Stinson on Dec 20, 2013 15:47:56 GMT -5
WM 23 is one of my least favorite WMs in the last 10 years. WM generally isn't even that great of a PPV in my opinion. Of course each PPV has good matches but for the most part I don't think they end up as good as they could have been. The changes that WM 23 could have had would have been overall for the better imo but Cena/HHH < Cena/HBK so weakening the main event is not a smart thing to do.. I agree, but the rest of the card is better and they could have swapped Cena/HHH to the middle of the show considering it Main Evented 22 and put Undertaker v. Batista on last.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 20, 2013 16:59:19 GMT -5
Taker/Batista should have gone on last whether it was Cena/HBK or Cena/HHH. Taker won the rumble. Batista had also been pushed as an equal to Cena. There was no reason why they should have went on third in the night. The WHC desperately needed the boost after the terrible run Rey had the year before and because of the very weak SD roster.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2013 17:47:11 GMT -5
If Kennedy would have had his match with Flair as planned and Edge faced Orton, who do you think would have won MITB. Jeff Hardy maybe? I've heard Jeff was scheduled to win it. But then he ducked up and failed a wellness test
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Post by 0,Y on Dec 21, 2013 4:02:07 GMT -5
Taker/Batista should have gone on last whether it was Cena/HBK or Cena/HHH. Taker won the rumble. Batista had also been pushed as an equal to Cena. There was no reason why they should have went on third in the night. The WHC desperately needed the boost after the terrible run Rey had the year before and because of the very weak SD roster. agreed and they only got like 15 minutes while HBK/Cena had like 30+ ... what a shame.
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Post by Self-Savior on Dec 21, 2013 4:12:09 GMT -5
If Kennedy would have had his match with Flair as planned and Edge faced Orton, who do you think would have won MITB. Jeff Hardy maybe? I've heard Jeff was scheduled to win it. But then he ducked up and failed a wellness test Apparently Jeff was supposed to win the MitB at WrestleMania XXIV and cash it in that night according to Michael Hayes on one of the Jeff Hardy DVDs. But he ed it all up by failing the Wellness Test like 3 weeks before WM, which is why he wound up dropping the IC belt to Y2J. So, I'm not too sure who else was rumored to win in 2007.
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Post by Darkhawk on Dec 21, 2013 4:57:32 GMT -5
I'm not a big fan of Wrestlemania rematches. Triple vs. John Cena for the main event at WM AGAIN?? No thanks, John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels was better and I honestly must say Wrestlemania 23 is one of the many best Wrestlemanias, people are just blind when it comes to entertainment and great matches.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 6:15:27 GMT -5
I wish Hogan/Show would have happened.
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Post by mikey1974 on Dec 21, 2013 7:02:26 GMT -5
HBK vs Cena definitely ended up being the best choice,as it was a great match. only downside was HBK should have won.yeah,I know it was to put Cena over more,but HBK deserved on last WWE Championship run,he could still go in the ring,and with Cena winning 3 Championship matches at Wrestlemania going into this show (US at 20, WWE at 21 and 22),it would've been a nice surprise to have him drop it,then win it back a little while later.
that said,Taker-Batista should've been on last in the main event,pretty much for all the reasons everyone listed above me.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Dec 21, 2013 7:05:43 GMT -5
Thank Christ HBK took HHH's place. HHH-Cena at 22 wasn't half the match HBK-Cena was at 23, and HBK-Cena went on to have even better matches later on. I think WM23 actually turned out quite well ('Taker-Batista in particular) but its always interesting to talk about what could've been. Taker/Batista should have gone on last whether it was Cena/HBK or Cena/HHH. Taker won the rumble. Batista had also been pushed as an equal to Cena. There was no reason why they should have went on third in the night. The WHC desperately needed the boost after the terrible run Rey had the year before and because of the very weak SD roster. This. HBK-Cena was great but Batista-'Taker deserved to go on last. I remember hearing they thought so too and said this very vocally backstage, but Vince ignored them. They then went out and put on a great match (arguably the best of the night, which is impressive considering HBK was the best performer in the company at the time and Cena was obviously the big star) and supposedly walked into the back and shouted "FOLLOW THAT!" to general applause from the boys. It must've had an effect on Vince because he put 'Taker and the WHC on last at 24, even though that year Cena had won the Rumble and actually had a good claim to the ME! That worked out well though because Orton winning was a great shock and Edge-'Taker was an amazing ME.
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Post by WMDman on Dec 21, 2013 7:26:28 GMT -5
Hogan/ show would have been great
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Post by TheXtremisT on Dec 21, 2013 8:48:36 GMT -5
If Kennedy would have had his match with Flair as planned and Edge faced Orton, who do you think would have won MITB. Jeff Hardy maybe? I've heard Jeff was scheduled to win it. But then he ducked up and failed a wellness test That was Wrestlemania 24. He dropped the Intercontinental title too. He was suspended in 2007, but in the summer. I remember him coming back with shorter hair attacking Umaga. Doubt they would have waited from March-June to suspend him. Unless it's Orton or Swagger... I'd have liked HBK to have won the WWE championship that night too. Had him win it in my fed then to make up for it. Reckon he'd have looked good with the WWE title. Also loved his red/white attire. It seems HBK didn't ever want to win the title again after 2002 because of the workload. He didn't enjoy the champion's duties. Shame because he deserved it so much.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2013 10:19:37 GMT -5
I presume HHH would have went over then?makes sense since he did the job via tapout the year before. I assume as well. otherwise,to have the same match headline the PPV twice in a row is kinda pointless. true.....but a lot of Vinces decisions regarding Cena have been pointless!!LOL
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Dec 21, 2013 10:37:15 GMT -5
That definitely wasn't the intended card. There are twelve matches there, most of them main event level, which usually means that they'd be pretty long -- one of them could've had a quick Sheamus-Bryan type finish, but not two or more on the same card... Thus, the show just didn't have the PPV time to do that card.
WrestleMania 23 had eight matches, only half of which were over ten minutes long. And I know for sure that Lashley vs Umaga in the Vince/Trump match was only decided very close to when it was announced on TV. There were other wrestlers who thought they were getting one of those spots, or at least that they were in the running.
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Post by Barney Stinson on Dec 21, 2013 11:17:53 GMT -5
That definitely wasn't the intended card. There are twelve matches there, most of them main event level, which usually means that they'd be pretty long -- one of them could've had a quick Sheamus-Bryan type finish, but not two or more on the same card... Thus, the show just didn't have the PPV time to do that card. WrestleMania 23 had eight matches, only half of which were over ten minutes long. And I know for sure that Lashley vs Umaga in the Vince/Trump match was only decided very close to when it was announced on TV. There were other wrestlers who thought they were getting one of those spots, or at least that they were in the running. I only named 7 Matches. I never said it was the intended card. I went by what people said in shoots or on WWE DVD's and put them all together. The others I said ended up on the real WM card and potentially could have been on there, as a what if everything they tossed around came to be, how would the card end up? For all we know if that card happened, with Kennedy, Orton, Edge & Booker all out of MITB, Kane, MVP, Benoit & RVD could have been in MITB, and the ECW 8 man, Kane v. Khali & the US Title match would have been scrapped, leaving it at most a 9 match card which is very plausible.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Dec 21, 2013 22:22:47 GMT -5
I honestly must say Wrestlemania 23 is one of the many best Wrestlemanias, people are just blind when it comes to entertainment and great matches. You and I are thinking the same. WrestleMania 23 is one of the more underrated 'Mania's in history. From looking at the card, I would have done this: - Swap the Money In The Bank as the opener and placed Chris Benoit vs. MVP - Swap the Bobby Lashley/Umaga match with The Undertaker vs. Batista Taker/Batista didn't need to close out the show. I know the World Heavyweight Championship could have used the boost it needed but honestly, the WHC match didn't need to close out the show. All Taker/Batista needed was more time. At 15:48, they could have been given an extra 5-10 minutes. While John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels was given 28:22, the amount of time given was enough. The match Cena/Michaels had in London was the better match of the two. I had revisited WrestleMania 23 prior to WrestleMania XXVI, and I found it enjoyable not only as an 18 year old but also as a 21 year old. For the time and given the card, it made sense. You didn't need to have Triple H/John Cena and Big Show/Hulk Hogan on this card.
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Post by Darkhawk on Dec 21, 2013 23:46:06 GMT -5
I honestly must say Wrestlemania 23 is one of the many best Wrestlemanias, people are just blind when it comes to entertainment and great matches. You and I are thinking the same. WrestleMania 23 is one of the more underrated 'Mania's in history. From looking at the card, I would have done this: - Swap the Money In The Bank as the opener and placed Chris Benoit vs. MVP - Swap the Bobby Lashley/Umaga match with The Undertaker vs. Batista Taker/Batista didn't need to close out the show. I know the World Heavyweight Championship could have used the boost it needed but honestly, the WHC match didn't need to close out the show. All Taker/Batista needed was more time. At 15:48, they could have been given an extra 5-10 minutes. While John Cena vs. Shawn Michaels was given 28:22, the amount of time given was enough. The match Cena/Michaels had in London was the better match of the two. I had revisited WrestleMania 23 prior to WrestleMania XXVI, and I found it enjoyable not only as an 18 year old but also as a 21 year old. For the time and given the card, it made sense. You didn't need to have Triple H/John Cena and Big Show/Hulk Hogan on this card. I defiantly agree 100% especially when 23 had many memorable moments. It also had the best pyros of all Wrestlemania's I mean this video speaks for itself.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Dec 21, 2013 23:59:22 GMT -5
Darkhawk, I forgot to mention how awesome John Cena's entrance was. Easily one of my favorite Cena 'Mania entrances. Another favorite was his 'Mania 22 entrance which included CM Punk. I loved the All Grown Up concept when promoting the event. I hope it gets revisited in the future. Historically speaking, two things occurred: - The last WrestleMania exclusively aired in standard definition - Created the long, continuous string of stadium shows I will go as far as saying that WrestleMania 23 is one of the most underrated 'Mania's in history. No one can doubt the success this show did when you look at the buyrate and gate figures.
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Post by Darkhawk on Dec 22, 2013 0:07:52 GMT -5
Darkhawk, I forgot to mention how awesome John Cena's entrance was. Easily one of my favorite Cena 'Mania entrances. Another favorite was his 'Mania 22 entrance which included CM Punk. I loved the All Grown Up concept when promoting the event. I hope it gets revisited in the future. Historically speaking, two things occurred: - The last WrestleMania exclusively aired in standard definition - Created the long, continuous string of stadium shows I will go as far as saying that WrestleMania 23 is one of the most underrated 'Mania's in history. No one can doubt the success this show did when you look at the buyrate and gate figures. There's nothing but positive things to say about Wrestlemania 23. It defiantly had that "Big PPV" feeling to it and it was entertaining throughout the whole PPV. My family and friends came to watch it and even though they weren't really wrestling fans they were highly entertained.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Dec 22, 2013 0:20:50 GMT -5
Darkhawk, I forgot to mention how awesome John Cena's entrance was. Easily one of my favorite Cena 'Mania entrances. Another favorite was his 'Mania 22 entrance which included CM Punk. I loved the All Grown Up concept when promoting the event. I hope it gets revisited in the future. Historically speaking, two things occurred: - The last WrestleMania exclusively aired in standard definition - Created the long, continuous string of stadium shows I will go as far as saying that WrestleMania 23 is one of the most underrated 'Mania's in history. No one can doubt the success this show did when you look at the buyrate and gate figures. There's nothing but positive things to say about Wrestlemania 23. It defiantly had that "Big PPV" feeling to it and it was entertaining throughout the whole PPV. My family and friends came to watch it and even though they weren't really wrestling fans they were highly entertained. The build for WrestleMania 23 was done extremely well. A lot of my high school mates who were wrestling fans were just as invested as I was. On a personal level, I was just eight weeks away from graduating from high school. Fast forward to now, the WWE should take notes on how to properly build for a big event. What astonishes me is the WWE was able to get a high buyrate without having to use social media. One reason for the high amount of buys is because of Donald Trump. About two months before the show, I met Shane McMahon by a bar/café in my area. He told my brother and I to watch WrestleMania 23 because it was going to be good. Till this day, I still have the photo of myself and Shane McMahon on my hard drive. As well as getting a ticket stub signed by Shane McMahon.
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