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Post by HalfBlackRazorback on Jan 10, 2014 14:10:26 GMT -5
Here is a big what if. What if the1980's would of been like it is today were the Title changed hands frequently who is taking Hogan down for title runs? I'm saying Rick Rude, Dibiase Perfect and Savage.
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Post by bigraj on Jan 10, 2014 16:00:27 GMT -5
Here is a big what if. What if the1980's would of been like it is today were the Title changed hands frequently who is taking Hogan down for title runs? I'm saying Rick Rude, Dibiase Perfect and Savage. Piper would have probably gotten a run in that scenario. Possibly Orndorff, too.
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Post by HalfBlackRazorback on Jan 10, 2014 16:41:41 GMT -5
Here is a big what if. What if the1980's would of been like it is today were the Title changed hands frequently who is taking Hogan down for title runs? I'm saying Rick Rude, Dibiase Perfect and Savage. Piper would have probably gotten a run in that scenario. Possibly Orndorff, too. Very good choices
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Post by T R W on Jan 10, 2014 17:01:51 GMT -5
Did anyone say Magnum TA? Because if he hadn't had his career ended with that car accident, he was going to be HUGE! He was already pretty huge and was being primed as the top face of the NWA.
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Post by HalfBlackRazorback on Jan 10, 2014 17:37:28 GMT -5
Did anyone say Magnum TA? Because if he hadn't had his career ended with that car accident, he was going to be HUGE! He was already pretty huge and was being primed as the top face of the NWA. He was mentioned here a few times.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jan 10, 2014 20:12:30 GMT -5
The loose cannon Brian Pullman release angle... Id love to have seen that.
Beniot and Eddie not dying
Triple H not marrying into the McMahon family is #1 for me though
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Post by HalfBlackRazorback on Jan 11, 2014 17:30:37 GMT -5
The loose cannon Brian Pullman release angle... Id love to have seen that. Beniot and Eddie not dying Triple H not marrying into the McMahon family is #1 for me though Everyone likes to say the only reason HHH is where he is is because he married into the family. However, remember he was with Chyna during his first title run they didn't fall in love until during their angle together. So it wasn't like he wasn't a top guy before that. Now would he still be there if it wasn't for the fact he is in the family is debatable, but he got there on his own.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 6:27:29 GMT -5
The loose cannon Brian Pullman release angle... Id love to have seen that. Beniot and Eddie not dying Triple H not marrying into the McMahon family is #1 for me though Everyone likes to say the only reason HHH is where he is is because he married into the family. However, remember he was with Chyna during his first title run they didn't fall in love until during their angle together. So it wasn't like he wasn't a top guy before that. Now would he still be there if it wasn't for the fact he is in the family is debatable, but he got there on his own. exactly. 1)HHH got over in 1998 during his fabulous feud with The Rock over the IC champ.had it not been for the knee injury in fall 98 he would have a good showing in the Deadly Games tourney and was under early consideration to be Vinnies corperate champ.....(crowd reactions to Rocky in fall 98 changed that though) 2)when HHH turned on DX in one of THE best turns ever @ WM15 he had nuclear heat for terminating the beloved faction.his performances during Summer 99 cemented him as a top player. 3)some say his relationship with the vile Steph started earlier than announced(summer 2000)but even so it WASNT in 1999 when he got to the top. Even in 2000-thru his injury in 2001 I don't see that HHH benefited. he was in the natural place in the card that he earned himself. His win over Austin wasn't politicked....it was done to keep a possibility for the feud open and for HHH vs UT. now post 2002? hell yes it was a factor.....no two ways about it. he didn't sleep his way to the top.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jan 12, 2014 10:30:51 GMT -5
Everyone likes to say the only reason HHH is where he is is because he married into the family. However, remember he was with Chyna during his first title run they didn't fall in love until during their angle together. So it wasn't like he wasn't a top guy before that. Now would he still be there if it wasn't for the fact he is in the family is debatable, but he got there on his own. exactly. 1)HHH got over in 1998 during his fabulous feud with The Rock over the IC champ.had it not been for the knee injury in fall 98 he would have a good showing in the Deadly Games tourney and was under early consideration to be Vinnies corperate champ.....(crowd reactions to Rocky in fall 98 changed that though) 2)when HHH turned on DX in one of THE best turns ever @ WM15 he had nuclear heat for terminating the beloved faction.his performances during Summer 99 cemented him as a top player. 3)some say his relationship with the vile Steph started earlier than announced(summer 2000)but even so it WASNT in 1999 when he got to the top. Even in 2000-thru his injury in 2001 I don't see that HHH benefited. he was in the natural place in the card that he earned himself. His win over Austin wasn't politicked....it was done to keep a possibility for the feud open and for HHH vs UT. now post 2002? hell yes it was a factor.....no two ways about it. he didn't sleep his way to the top. I'm not saying in ring wise because I'm a big fan of Trips, and I agree with what you both said. But I mean how would the company fare with Steph and Shane in the spot that Triple H is in now. I think if he wasn't connected to the family he'd be retired now or just working the WM season
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 12, 2014 10:46:38 GMT -5
Nobody is saying that hhh became a big star by marrying steph. The would be wrong. However hhh became the almighty god of all things wrestling related by marrying steph.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 10:50:03 GMT -5
exactly. 1)HHH got over in 1998 during his fabulous feud with The Rock over the IC champ.had it not been for the knee injury in fall 98 he would have a good showing in the Deadly Games tourney and was under early consideration to be Vinnies corperate champ.....(crowd reactions to Rocky in fall 98 changed that though) 2)when HHH turned on DX in one of THE best turns ever @ WM15 he had nuclear heat for terminating the beloved faction.his performances during Summer 99 cemented him as a top player. 3)some say his relationship with the vile Steph started earlier than announced(summer 2000)but even so it WASNT in 1999 when he got to the top. Even in 2000-thru his injury in 2001 I don't see that HHH benefited. he was in the natural place in the card that he earned himself. His win over Austin wasn't politicked....it was done to keep a possibility for the feud open and for HHH vs UT. now post 2002? hell yes it was a factor.....no two ways about it. he didn't sleep his way to the top. I'm not saying in ring wise because I'm a big fan of Trips, and I agree with what you both said. But I mean how would the company fare with Steph and Shane in the spot that Triple H is in now. I think if he wasn't connected to the family he'd be retired now or just working the WM season yeah I see what you mean......what would the rest of his career post injury have been like etc etc. good point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 11:17:06 GMT -5
HHH would have been a Jericho-level guy if he hadn't married Steph. He's only ever been someone who works with the main guy. It's only in WWE's biased lists that he ranks anywhere near the top superstars of all time (like Hogan-Austin-Rock-Bret-Cena).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 11:21:43 GMT -5
Orndorf was his own worst enemy. There could have been more success for him but his attitude would have gotten in the way before he reached large levels of success.
Triple H has never been "the man" or the main marquee guy. His in ring work is very good (not great) and his best matches were always against guys who were bringing out the best in everybody else also. I don't think Triple H was one of those guys who carried "fill in the blank" to a great match. I think Triple H could pull out decent to good matches on his own but only had great matches with a select few guys. His mic work was bland as well as I honestly can't recall one memorable Triple H line or promo in 15 years.
People crap on Warror and Bret for their promo work but I can at least remember some of their lines and promos. I literally can't remember one Triple H promo that made me think or was really memorable.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 11:31:22 GMT -5
Triple H's work is bog standard and predictable. I couldn't name a single time where he's ever done any moves from the top rope, or really done a memorable spot himself (his memorable spots are always his opponent doing them like Foley). His matches range from being ok to pretty good, but the pretty good ones are the ones he's had with guys like Undertaker, Rock, Austin, Cena, Brock and Shawn. He's never done anything that's truly memorable inside the ring.
And Triple H promo's are like watching paint dry. He had a great look in the AE and he knew how to manipulate people around him to get himself in a top spot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 11:34:39 GMT -5
Triple H's work is bog standard and predictable. I couldn't name a single time where he's ever done any moves from the top rope, or really done a memorable spot himself (his memorable spots are always his opponent doing them like Foley). His matches range from being ok to pretty good, but the pretty good ones are the ones he's had with guys like Undertaker, Rock, Austin, Cena, Brock and Shawn. He's never done anything that's truly memorable inside the ring. And Triple H promo's are like watching paint dry. He had a great look in the AE and he knew how to manipulate people around him to get himself in a top spot. Agreed. Triple H is good but he's certainly not great.
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Post by HalfBlackRazorback on Jan 12, 2014 11:37:41 GMT -5
HHH would have been a Jericho-level guy if he hadn't married Steph. He's only ever been someone who works with the main guy. It's only in WWE's biased lists that he ranks anywhere near the top superstars of all time (like Hogan-Austin-Rock-Bret-Cena). How do you figure He won his first belt in 1999 before the angle with Steph Started. Remember before the Curtain Call He was supposed to be pushed in 1996 and win that years KOTR. Even when he first started the angle with Stpeh he was boning Chyna that alone should give you some sort of title LOL. Him and steph weren't an Item till right before he blew his quad in 2001 and by then he had multiple runs. Im not a fan either but facts are facts. He was a solid main evener before he dipped the pin in company ink.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 11:40:59 GMT -5
HHH would have been a Jericho-level guy if he hadn't married Steph. He's only ever been someone who works with the main guy. It's only in WWE's biased lists that he ranks anywhere near the top superstars of all time (like Hogan-Austin-Rock-Bret-Cena). How do you figure He won his first belt in 1999 before the angle with Steph Started. Remember before the Curtain Call He was supposed to be pushed in 1996 and win that years KOTR. Even when he first started the angle with Stpeh he was boning Chyna that alone should give you some sort of title LOL. Him and steph weren't an Item till right before he blew his quad in 2001 and by then he had multiple runs. Im not a fan either but facts are facts. He was a solid main evener before he dipped the pin in company ink. He was only going to get the KOTR in 96 because of his affiliation with Shawn and Nash. The kliq were in business for themselves and it's well established that Shawn had planned to work with only the kliq after WM when he got the title. Triple H used Nash and Shawn to get noticed, then in DX he was Shawn's right hand man, by the time Shawn left he used the Outlaws popularity to keep himself relevant (DX) and after that he married Steph.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 11:41:18 GMT -5
HHH would have been a Jericho-level guy if he hadn't married Steph. He's only ever been someone who works with the main guy. It's only in WWE's biased lists that he ranks anywhere near the top superstars of all time (like Hogan-Austin-Rock-Bret-Cena). How do you figure He won his first belt in 1999 before the angle with Steph Started. Remember before the Curtain Call He was supposed to be pushed in 1996 and win that years KOTR. Even when he first started the angle with Stpeh he was boning Chyna that alone should give you some sort of title LOL. Him and steph weren't an Item till right before he blew his quad in 2001 and by then he had multiple runs. Im not a fan either but facts are facts. He was a solid main evener before he dipped the pin in company ink. I understand where you are coming from but when your competition is Austin, Rock, Foley, Undertaker, etc. what does Triple H bring to the table that those guys don't? I guess my question is this... What is ONE thing Triple H does better than anybody else? Is there anything? Are his promos better than any of the guys listed above? Is his ring work better? What does he really do that is special, unique or innovative?
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Post by T R W on Jan 12, 2014 11:50:18 GMT -5
How do you figure He won his first belt in 1999 before the angle with Steph Started. Remember before the Curtain Call He was supposed to be pushed in 1996 and win that years KOTR. Even when he first started the angle with Stpeh he was boning Chyna that alone should give you some sort of title LOL. Him and steph weren't an Item till right before he blew his quad in 2001 and by then he had multiple runs. Im not a fan either but facts are facts. He was a solid main evener before he dipped the pin in company ink. I understand where you are coming from but when your competition is Austin, Rock, Foley, Undertaker, etc. what does Triple H bring to the table that those guys don't? I guess my question is this... What is ONE thing Triple H does better than anybody else? Is there anything? Are his promos better than any of the guys listed above? Is his ring work better? What does he really do that is special, unique or innovative? To me HHH is a guy who ends up being great because he is extremely well rounded. By that I mean, he isn't the best at anything. BUT he is good at everything, and was versatile and could work well with most guys. And honestly that is a pretty rare trait.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 11:55:18 GMT -5
I understand where you are coming from but when your competition is Austin, Rock, Foley, Undertaker, etc. what does Triple H bring to the table that those guys don't? I guess my question is this... What is ONE thing Triple H does better than anybody else? Is there anything? Are his promos better than any of the guys listed above? Is his ring work better? What does he really do that is special, unique or innovative? To me HHH is a guy who ends up being great because he is extremely well rounded. By that I mean, he isn't the best at anything. BUT he is good at everything, and was versatile and could work well with most guys. And honestly that is a pretty rare trait. Fair point and I totally understand. I guess my feeling is simiar but I just look at it in a different way. I just view it as Triple H being good but not great. For him to have been "on top" for so long and had so many title runs and main event matches you would really think he would have brought something GREAT to the table. In my opinion...he just never did.
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