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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 12:59:50 GMT -5
I will never watch another Ryback match. He is as dead to me as Chris Benoit Wow. Chill dude, that's a little extreme.. Extreme is one of MANY words I have for this comment.
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Post by Chip on Jan 9, 2014 17:31:36 GMT -5
Ziggler should take a month off. Concussions are not to be messed around, and too many guys get them and come back way too soon.
Give Ziggler a month to get himself in shape, let him return after the Rumble with a little tweak to his character & attitude. He needs a serious overhaul. Stop shaking and grinding your ASS on national television. Stop wearing ridiculous shirts. His gimmick is tired, and played out. They've gone absolutely NOWHERE with him in a long time.
Ryback should be punished for this. He should be sent back to NXT to learn how to protect his opponents. Give him some training with Regal, or DeMott....hell bring Hardcore Holly back. Ryback is sloppy too often and he needs to develop his in-ring stuff.
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Post by el torro on Jan 9, 2014 17:43:03 GMT -5
In all seriousness, Ryback's commentary on Raw this week was not only better than anything Ziggler has ever done, it was better than anything else that Ryback has ever done. Anybody ever think that Ziggler concussed himself with the surely over-dramatic bump he took? Ziggler taking reckless overblown bumps? That would never happen! That's about as likely as xxr23 making bad posts crying about how much he hates WWE/TNA/living in this world.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jan 9, 2014 20:30:01 GMT -5
Ziggler should take a month off. Concussions are not to be messed around, and too many guys get them and come back way too soon. Give Ziggler a month to get himself in shape, let him return after the Rumble with a little tweak to his character & attitude. He needs a serious overhaul. Stop shaking and grinding your ASS on national television. Stop wearing ridiculous shirts. His gimmick is tired, and played out. They've gone absolutely NOWHERE with him in a long time. Ryback should be punished for this. He should be sent back to NXT to learn how to protect his opponents. Give him some training with Regal, or DeMott....hell bring Hardcore Holly back. Ryback is sloppy too often and he needs to develop his in-ring stuff.If he really is that dangerous, honestly at this point they might be better off just cutting their losses. I love how on commentary he said that he has only been around 21 months when in reality he has been with the WWE for almost 10 years. He is 32 years old, this the point where guys are reaching their popularity with the only exception I can think of being DDP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 22:06:39 GMT -5
Poor dolph
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2014 22:59:47 GMT -5
I'm thinking a triple threat for the IC title at RR or EC.
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Post by Thunder Chunky on Jan 9, 2014 23:26:10 GMT -5
Im not a fan of Ryback. That being said, I dont think he should be fired. Have him sent down to NXT or something. Accidents happen. Its professional wrestling, people are getting slammed around every time they wrestle. You cant go your whole career and not expect to get injured at some point. However, this is the 2nd or 3rd person Ryback has injured. He needs to try and protect his opponents more.
If it was Daniel Bryan or CM Punk that caused the injury, you guys wouldnt want them fired
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jan 10, 2014 0:28:24 GMT -5
Im not a fan of Ryback. That being said, I dont think he should be fired. Have him sent down to NXT or something. Accidents happen. Its professional wrestling, people are getting slammed around every time they wrestle. You cant go your whole career and not expect to get injured at some point. However, this is the 2nd or 3rd person Ryback has injured. He needs to try and protect his opponents more. If it was Daniel Bryan or CM Punk that caused the injury, you guys wouldnt want them fired The problem there is that they don't have a reputation for being stiff or unsafe in the ring. IMO Ryback should still get another chance, but he HAS to improve.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 1:21:33 GMT -5
Ziggler should take a month off. Concussions are not to be messed around, and too many guys get them and come back way too soon. Give Ziggler a month to get himself in shape, let him return after the Rumble with a little tweak to his character & attitude. He needs a serious overhaul. Stop shaking and grinding your ASS on national television. Stop wearing ridiculous shirts. His gimmick is tired, and played out. They've gone absolutely NOWHERE with him in a long time. This is such BS, garbage man. He was booked terribly. You can't overcome that. When he won the title and cashed in, popped like crazy. People were marking out for him long before that like almost no one else on the programming. It's easy to say this crap now - but what can you do when they bury the crapout of him. They've done this to him. Shawn Michaels only difference was just better booking and pushes. They could have made Ziggler into a star. It appeared that way, and then all the sudden they took it away to go with REALLY stale guys who are truly going absolutely NOWHERE (Del Rio, Orton, Big Show, PUKE).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 1:24:00 GMT -5
Ziggler should take a month off. Concussions are not to be messed around, and too many guys get them and come back way too soon. Give Ziggler a month to get himself in shape, let him return after the Rumble with a little tweak to his character & attitude. He needs a serious overhaul. Stop shaking and grinding your ASS on national television. Stop wearing ridiculous shirts. His gimmick is tired, and played out. They've gone absolutely NOWHERE with him in a long time. This is such BS, garbage man. He was booked terribly. You can't overcome that. When he won the title and cashed in, popped like crazy. People were marking out for him long before that like almost no one else on the programming. It's easy to say this crap now - but what can you do when they bury the crap out of him. They've done this to him. Shawn Michaels only difference was just better booking and pushes. They could have made Ziggler into a star. It appeared that way, and then all the sudden they took it away to go with REALLY stale guys who are truly going absolutely NOWHERE (Del Rio, Orton, Big Show, PUKE). They brought that gimmick back?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2014 1:26:21 GMT -5
I really don't get where it all went wrong for Ziggler. I am not a teenager. I am a 31 year old guy who has watched since WM4. All the guys I watch PPV with and text about RAW don't get it either. We were all so excited for Ziggler and saw him as a Bret Hart, Michaels type of guy who rose up the card the organic way. They really just hold some guys back. I feel bad for him.
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Post by Jack on Jan 10, 2014 2:51:00 GMT -5
Ziggler really cannot catch a break. Nothing seems to go his way.
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Post by ryan93 on Jan 10, 2014 3:38:10 GMT -5
My biggest concern is that we are seeing the end of Ziggler's career. You can't keep having concussions every few months. If this one is serious like the one that ended his title reign this will deal another blow to his career. WWE can't trust him with a title if he is prone to get another concussion in the future. Injuries happen I know that but once you keep getting these concussions the easier and more prone you are to suffer this injury again.
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Post by China Claus on Jan 10, 2014 3:52:50 GMT -5
I'm agreeing with Chip on this one. Yeah, maybe Ziggler did have the ball rolling in his favor, but what did he do to keep it rolling? And yea, his last concussion may have halted a lot of his momentum, but really, what has he done since coming back from that concussion? The fact is, Dolph's pretty much had the same schtick since his days of shaking hands and introducing himself. I love Ziggler as much as the next guy, but something has to change. And seeing that he comes back from this within the next few months, Wrestlemania season is the best time to make an big impact.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jan 10, 2014 13:49:31 GMT -5
I'm agreeing with Chip on this one. Yeah, maybe Ziggler did have the ball rolling in his favor, but what did he do to keep it rolling? And yea, his last concussion may have halted a lot of his momentum, but really, what has he done since coming back from that concussion? The fact is, Dolph's pretty much had the same schtick since his days of shaking hands and introducing himself. I love Ziggler as much as the next guy, but something has to change. And seeing that he comes back from this within the next few months, Wrestlemania season is the best time to make an big impact. I agree with you. Him and Sandow both seem to need the same thing, to become aggressive. They had the perfect chance with Sandow when he loss in his cash-in. They could have with Ziggler when he lost to ADR but instead they decided to break him and AJ up, to which they could have alongside the ADR feud. Instead we have Ziggler getting lost in the shuffle and ADR failing to get over with every demographic (aside from possibly the Hispanic) by defeating legends. I don't care if the WWE is trying to get the Hispanic demographic, just do it with someone who the rest of your demographics can stand or at least don't shove them down our throats.
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Post by Brunt's Left Foot on Jan 10, 2014 14:14:18 GMT -5
I'm agreeing with Chip on this one. Yeah, maybe Ziggler did have the ball rolling in his favor, but what did he do to keep it rolling? And yea, his last concussion may have halted a lot of his momentum, but really, what has he done since coming back from that concussion? The fact is, Dolph's pretty much had the same schtick since his days of shaking hands and introducing himself. I love Ziggler as much as the next guy, but something has to change. And seeing that he comes back from this within the next few months, Wrestlemania season is the best time to make an big impact. I agree with you. Him and Sandow both seem to need the same thing, to become aggressive. They had the perfect chance with Sandow when he loss in his cash-in. They could have with Ziggler when he lost to ADR but instead they decided to break him and AJ up, to which they could have alongside the ADR feud. Instead we have Ziggler getting lost in the shuffle and ADR failing to get over with every demographic (aside from possibly the Hispanic) by defeating legends. I don't care if the WWE is trying to get the Hispanic demographic, just do it with someone who the rest of your demographics can stand or at least don't shove them down our throats. Ahahahahahahahaha. Someone's been listening to JR too much. Being "aggressive" means jack shit. Sandow has become bland as hell since they've decided to push him as being "more aggressive" than ever. Del Rio being "aggressive" hasn't gotten him over at all. Lemme guess, Ziggler and Sandow should also "maximise their minutes"? Look, WWE is the problem. They take people who are over, and if they're not what WWE wants, they waste them. It happened to Ryback, it happened to Ziggler and it's happening to Sandow. STOP BLAMING THE WRESTLERS WHO ARE OVER. BLAME WWE'S STUPID BOOKING.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jan 10, 2014 15:41:35 GMT -5
I agree with you. Him and Sandow both seem to need the same thing, to become aggressive. They had the perfect chance with Sandow when he loss in his cash-in. They could have with Ziggler when he lost to ADR but instead they decided to break him and AJ up, to which they could have alongside the ADR feud. Instead we have Ziggler getting lost in the shuffle and ADR failing to get over with every demographic (aside from possibly the Hispanic) by defeating legends. I don't care if the WWE is trying to get the Hispanic demographic, just do it with someone who the rest of your demographics can stand or at least don't shove them down our throats. Ahahahahahahahaha. Someone's been listening to JR too much. Being "aggressive" means jack crap. Sandow has become bland as hell since they've decided to push him as being "more aggressive" than ever. Del Rio being "aggressive" hasn't gotten him over at all. Lemme guess, Ziggler and Sandow should also "maximise their minutes"? Look, WWE is the problem. They take people who are over, and if they're not what WWE wants, they waste them. It happened to Ryback, it happened to Ziggler and it's happening to Sandow. STOP BLAMING THE WRESTLERS WHO ARE OVER. BLAME WWE'S STUPID BOOKING. I am not blaming either Sandow or Ziggler for their fall. If you kept reading you would've realized that I meant the characters needed . I am saying that Ziggler needs to change his character up a bit, now thinking about he shouldn't be more aggressive as opposed to portraying a more serious character. And I even said that the direction they put him in after the AJ break up was mostly to blame. Sandow hasn't gone anywhere because they haven't given him any real mic time and they haven't changed his character much after the cash-in. ADR isn't over because he has the moveset of a babyface, the image and finesse of a heel, and is just flat out boring. Ryback killed himself with being stiff/unsafe in the ring and for going on TV and saying something to the camera along the lines of "Push me already."
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jan 10, 2014 17:43:22 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if zigglers selling is the reason behind all of his concussions I know we all love ziggler for his selling but I do think sometimes over selling can lead to injuries I mean he totally ragdolls sometimes which I think could be a contributing factor to the past 3 concussions he's had...
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jan 10, 2014 19:47:54 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if zigglers selling is the reason behind all of his concussions I know we all love ziggler for his selling but I do think sometimes over selling can lead to injuries I mean he totally ragdolls sometimes which I think could be a contributing factor to the past 3 concussions he's had... I thought he only had 2. I am not sure about the Ryback or the one I don't know about, but the concussion in May was definitely on Swagger and possibly ADR.
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Post by ~ Cymru ~ on Jan 10, 2014 20:09:32 GMT -5
I'm starting to wonder if zigglers selling is the reason behind all of his concussions I know we all love ziggler for his selling but I do think sometimes over selling can lead to injuries I mean he totally ragdolls sometimes which I think could be a contributing factor to the past 3 concussions he's had... I thought he only had 2. I am not sure about the Ryback or the one I don't know about, but the concussion in May was definitely on Swagger and possibly ADR. Didn't he have one around the time he won the belt from edge then again during his second whc run and now this one I think I may be wrong about the first...
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