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Post by Justin on Jan 11, 2014 11:23:09 GMT -5
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 11, 2014 11:27:55 GMT -5
My fault, I didn't see that. Fair enough. I've said it before, if TNA loses that deal with Spike then they lose everything. Scary time to be a TNA fan, or employee. Especially, if Spike thinks it can make a run at Smackdown.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Jan 11, 2014 12:28:14 GMT -5
"smaller/mid-level names like AJ Styles"... You haven't tuned into the show lately, have you.. Why, is AJ back now? I didn't think he was. Lol. Yeah right. Not because the company is bleeding money and desperately needs to cut costs to survive. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... Oh man, I need to catch my breath. Okay, I'm good again. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! That is priceless. TNA the number 1 company in the rest of the world. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! They've been doing lots of Three Quarters Empty Arena matches lately. Is that part of creating your "next generation" if you will? There's no reason Bateman can't be the future. But he, Spud and Magnus are the present... Because TNA couldn't afford to renew the contracts on the big names, or even the smaller/mid-level names like AJ Styles.
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Post by ICW on Jan 11, 2014 13:07:41 GMT -5
If you're the WWE/a WWE fan: TNA is irrelevant, who really cares what they do?
If you're a wrestling fan, enjoy ALL the wrestling we're about to get.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2014 13:14:10 GMT -5
If you're a wrestling, enjoy ALL the wrestling we're about to get. Exactly. Well said man.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jan 11, 2014 16:32:10 GMT -5
Pretty funny move by WWE. They've done well to survive this long. But now they can't afford to keep their big names (or even smaller/mid-level names like AJ Styles) around, and they're losing $600,000 on taping the shows in arenas with no fans... It's only a matter of time unless they can turn things around. I like Derrick Bateman, but when you're a national/international promotion and he's one of your top stars, you're in trouble. -- "smaller/mid-level names like AJ Styles"... You haven't tuned into the show lately, have you.. These big names, TNA are letting go of, is for a reason: TNA is in the midst of creating the "next generation" if you will. TNA did fine before the big stars came in, and being the #1 company throughout the rest of the world (in the U.S., they're obviously #2.. since American fans here tend to be morons, but that's neither here nor there) - add to the fact that The Carters are multi-BILLIONaires... TNA's in pretty safe hands. "arenas with no fans"... So every taping of IMPACT consists of Empty Arena Matches..? Interesting. And if you will, explain to me why Derrick "EC3" Bateman, can't be the future of the company. Hmm? Bound For Glory, their biggest PPV of the year, didn't even fill 1/4 of the building's capacity. It wasn't even a big venue, it was the Viejas Arena, which holds 12,000 people. They tried going off the road, but their form home said we aren't making space for you. I don't remember the last time I saw them fill an arena. While Derick Bateman could be a top star, EC III can't. They need to make him a character, not a spoiled brat version of Eugene. They are pushing a guy who has no real build and trying to make him a star right off the bat, it isn't happening. They aren't really pushing new guys at all, everyone they seem to be pushing is over 30 at this point. You also need to keep your established guys. Before Angle and Sting showed up in 2006, TNA wasn't even getting an average rating of a 1.00. TNA did very poorly in the beginning (averaging a .3 Rating) and wasn't even on TV when they caught a break with Spike after WWE switched back to the USA Network. 2006 was the first year they had Sting full time and Angle. The next year boosted the average rating to a 1.05 which only went up until 2010. They don't even have have a third of the ratings of RAW this year. TNA is the definition of "being in the sh*itter" right now.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 11, 2014 16:38:35 GMT -5
I like Derrick Bateman, but when you're a national/international promotion and he's one of your top stars, you're in trouble. Thats what Bishscoff said about Austin when he was in WWE.
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Post by Calcifer Boheme on Jan 11, 2014 16:52:10 GMT -5
The live NXT is a one time thing, but I am super excited for it. They've already announced the Zayn vs Cesaro rematch, which is be amazing, as well as Dallas vs Neville in a ladder match. If they're going to have Neville take the title, I think this will be the time to do it, when it's the biggest deal. I can't wait to watch it
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Jan 11, 2014 16:59:29 GMT -5
I like Derrick Bateman, but when you're a national/international promotion and he's one of your top stars, you're in trouble. Thats what Bishscoff said about Austin when he was in WWE. Eric Bischoff said that WWE was in trouble when Austin was on top? Source?
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jan 11, 2014 17:01:55 GMT -5
I like Derrick Bateman, but when you're a national/international promotion and he's one of your top stars, you're in trouble. Thats what Bishscoff said about Austin when he was in WWE. The difference is Austin was built up and wasn't just shoved down our throats.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Jan 11, 2014 17:39:07 GMT -5
Thats what Bishscoff said about Austin when he was in WWE. The difference is Austin was built up and wasn't just shoved down our throats. I dont find ECIII being "shoved" down my throat. Magnus has, but not ECIII. I never liked Derek Bateman, but I think he has a good gimmick and is excelling at it. Bateman is simply a character who is being provided added advantage for his relationship to Dixie. He hasnt really beaten anyone. He got a roll up win in a tag match, but everything else is garbage. He isnt a world title contender. He is simply a piece.
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Post by That 80s Guy on Jan 11, 2014 21:25:52 GMT -5
-- "smaller/mid-level names like AJ Styles"... You haven't tuned into the show lately, have you.. These big names, TNA are letting go of, is for a reason: TNA is in the midst of creating the "next generation" if you will. TNA did fine before the big stars came in, and being the #1 company throughout the rest of the world (in the U.S., they're obviously #2.. since American fans here tend to be morons, but that's neither here nor there) - add to the fact that The Carters are multi-BILLIONaires... TNA's in pretty safe hands. "arenas with no fans"... So every taping of IMPACT consists of Empty Arena Matches..? Interesting. And if you will, explain to me why Derrick "EC3" Bateman, can't be the future of the company. Hmm? Bound For Glory, their biggest PPV of the year, didn't even fill 1/4 of the building's capacity. It wasn't even a big venue, it was the Viejas Arena, which holds 12,000 people. They tried going off the road, but their form home said we aren't making space for you. I don't remember the last time I saw them fill an arena. While Derick Bateman could be a top star, EC III can't. They need to make him a character, not a spoiled brat version of Eugene. They are pushing a guy who has no real build and trying to make him a star right off the bat, it isn't happening. They aren't really pushing new guys at all, everyone they seem to be pushing is over 30 at this point. You also need to keep your established guys. Before Angle and Sting showed up in 2006, TNA wasn't even getting an average rating of a 1.00. TNA did very poorly in the beginning (averaging a .3 Rating) and wasn't even on TV when they caught a break with Spike after WWE switched back to the USA Network. 2006 was the first year they had Sting full time and Angle. The next year boosted the average rating to a 1.05 which only went up until 2010. They don't even have have a third of the ratings of RAW this year. TNA is the definition of "being in the sh*itter" right now. -- You're telling me information I'm already well aware of. It doesn't change the fact that TNA's still on ACTUAL television. Here in the States, who knows for how long?! But overseas, they're garnering so much business - I seriously wouldn't be shocked if they up and relocated to the UK, because right now, UK fans are head-over-heels for the TNA product. I don't get how EC3 is like Eugene, as you used in your analogy. "They need to make him a character, not a spoiled brat" - contradiction, buddy: He IS a character, and he's getting heat from the crowds, which tells me and any other sensible wrestling fan, his character is working. He may not have the credibility to carry the company right now, but nothing happens overnight - that's where precision and the right timing comes in. And they're pushing the new guys: Magnus (their new #1 guy) ~ EC3/Spud (getting the rub from Dixie herself) ~ The BroMans (top tag team in the division) ~ and the moment Lady Tap'a turns on Gail Kim and takes her KO's title, will solidify that!
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Post by That 80s Guy on Jan 11, 2014 21:51:07 GMT -5
"smaller/mid-level names like AJ Styles"... You haven't tuned into the show lately, have you.. Why, is AJ back now? I didn't think he was. Lol. Yeah right. Not because the company is bleeding money and desperately needs to cut costs to survive. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.... Oh man, I need to catch my breath. Okay, I'm good again. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! That is priceless. TNA the number 1 company in the rest of the world. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! They've been doing lots of Three Quarters Empty Arena matches lately. Is that part of creating your "next generation" if you will? There's no reason Bateman can't be the future. But he, Spud and Magnus are the present... Because TNA couldn't afford to renew the contracts on the big names, or even the smaller/mid-level names like AJ Styles. -- Wow, quotes so nicely arranged. Outta change your name to The Quote Guy! Granted the company is rebuilding itself, after the debacle left behind thanks to Hogan & Bischoff. But TNA didn't die. TNA IS surviving, whether you like it or not! Every company goes through up's and down's, though I don't expect you to comprehend the realism of corporate safe levels. I guess only a WWE-brainclogged fan, would find it funny that the fact is indeed: TNA is doing better business overseas, than the WWE is currently. Could that change? Absolutely, especially with the E's new network just around the corner. But for quite sometime, TNA's been the top dog in other markets around the World. Laugh all you want, it's a human mechanism showing denial when you have an inkling that I just might be right. 1/4 of a full arena doesn't constitute as an "empty arena", as you put it. And again, as you also admitted you haven't watched the show lately, so your attempt at an argument concerning the attendance numbers, are indeed invalid. And there you go again, "smaller/mid level names like AJ Styles" - That's like saying Bryan Danielson is small/mid level. Of course I'm not the one trying to act like a 4yr old, so I'm going to refrain from that. Back to the topic at hand, wasn't CM Punk "the present" in 2007-2008, and inevitably the future as well?? I don't see why Magnus, Spud, nor EC3 can't be the present as well as representing the true future of the company. You have to remember (if you're mentally capable of it), that the present also consists of The BroMans, Storm, Joe, Angle, Roode, Gunner, Gail, Madison, Bad Influence................... but anybody who's paid attention to professional wrestling, knows: talent gets phased out, for new guys to continue building the ever-proverbial NEXT GENERATION.
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Jan 11, 2014 21:55:34 GMT -5
Bound For Glory, their biggest PPV of the year, didn't even fill 1/4 of the building's capacity. It wasn't even a big venue, it was the Viejas Arena, which holds 12,000 people. They tried going off the road, but their form home said we aren't making space for you. I don't remember the last time I saw them fill an arena. While Derick Bateman could be a top star, EC III can't. They need to make him a character, not a spoiled brat version of Eugene. They are pushing a guy who has no real build and trying to make him a star right off the bat, it isn't happening. They aren't really pushing new guys at all, everyone they seem to be pushing is over 30 at this point. You also need to keep your established guys. Before Angle and Sting showed up in 2006, TNA wasn't even getting an average rating of a 1.00. TNA did very poorly in the beginning (averaging a .3 Rating) and wasn't even on TV when they caught a break with Spike after WWE switched back to the USA Network. 2006 was the first year they had Sting full time and Angle. The next year boosted the average rating to a 1.05 which only went up until 2010. They don't even have have a third of the ratings of RAW this year. TNA is the definition of "being in the sh*itter" right now. -- You're telling me information I'm already well aware of. It doesn't change the fact that TNA's still on ACTUAL television. Here in the States, who knows for how long?! But overseas, they're garnering so much business - I seriously wouldn't be shocked if they up and relocated to the UK, because right now, UK fans are head-over-heels for the TNA product. I don't get how EC3 is like Eugene, as you used in your analogy. "They need to make him a character, not a spoiled brat" - contradiction, buddy: He IS a character, and he's getting heat from the crowds, which tells me and any other sensible wrestling fan, his character is working. He may not have the credibility to carry the company right now, but nothing happens overnight - that's where precision and the right timing comes in. And they're pushing the new guys: Magnus (their new #1 guy) ~ EC3/Spud (getting the rub from Dixie herself) ~ The BroMans (top tag team in the division) ~ and the moment Lady Tap'a turns on Gail Kim and takes her KO's title, will solidify that! Magnus is boring and the BroMans and Spud are all trash. The EC III character is entirely based off of the Eugene with the role of the mentally challenged member being switched. And the ratings show that the character is getting the heat as opposed to the angle. Again, TNA is in the sh*tter. Hell they even rehired Pacman, the guy who made them no money.
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Post by Next Man’s Yeeter on Jan 11, 2014 22:43:48 GMT -5
I guess only a WWE-brainclogged fan, would find it funny that the fact is indeed: TNA is doing better business overseas, than the WWE is currently. Could that change? Absolutely, especially with the E's new network just around the corner. But for quite sometime, TNA's been the top dog in other markets around the World. Laugh all you want, it's a human mechanism showing denial when you have an inkling that I just might be right. I'm laughing at your silly fanboyism. TNA is most certainly not the top dog overseas - TNA's biggest market is the UK, where I live. And their TV show just about beats Raw in the ratings, but not by much - which is appallingly bad considering their show is on free TV in every home, and WWE's is on pay cable. Not to mention that TNA got that TV deal by accepting a very low rate, far less than what WWE makes for their UK TV rights. WWE runs two tours over here every year, both of which are longer than TNA's one tour, and both of which draw far bigger attendances than TNA's one tour. WWE merchandise is sold in droves in the UK. TNA merchandise isn't. WWE makes over thirty million dollars from the UK each year. Are you suggesting that TNA makes more? You've been a very silly boy and bought into Dixie's lie about TNA's popularity overseas - a lie concocted to divert attention away from their abject failure in the States. Your naive fantasy about them moving to the UK permanently is very sweet, though, so kudos. The UK is good for decent, but not great (and getting worse since the stars aren't coming over anymore), ticket sales. For about four shows a year. Now I know TNA has recently been squeezing lots into a taping recently (and then editing it together nonsensically with hilarious continuity errors), but they're never going to be able to tape 52 episodes of Impact in four nights. Booking UK arenas twenty-five nights a year, and flying all of the talent over regularly, would be an even bigger disaster than trying to run US arenas has been. The UK TV deal on Challenge wouldn't keep the company afloat for even a month - do you know what else Challenge broadcasts besides TNA? Reruns of game shows from twenty and thirty years ago. That's the kind of programming budget they have. So no, TNA will not be relocating to the UK. But it's cute that you think it's a possibility. Very silly comparison. Daniel Bryan is a legitimate star, watched by four million people in the US alone every Monday night, with current action figures in thousands of stores worldwide, and who makes at least five figures a year on merchandise sales alone. He's headlined PPVs bought by over a hundred thousand people. He has held World titles on PPVs that were bought by a million people. He has launched catchphrases that people chanted during AJ Styles' sad "pipe-bomb" imitation. He wrestles in high-level matches in front of thousands of people four nights a week. He's beaten John Cena cleanly in a PPV main event. Who else has done that in the last five years? Triple H. The Rock. That's rarified air. Nobody in TNA is a star unless they became one in WWE or WCW. TNA doesn't have the audience or sense to even use stars effectively (as seen in the crapty business they did even with Hogan, Hardy, Sting and Angle on the roster), let alone make them. AJ Styles had a cup of coffee in WCW and is seen as worth nothing more than a low-end developmental contract to WWE. He's not a big name, son. Maybe after a year or two in NXT, he could become a star on Raw. But right now? Nah. He's a TNA-level guy, not a star. And TNA can't even afford him anymore. The life of the company depends entirely on cutting costs and keeping the Spike TV contract - and the reality is that Spike would drop TNA in a heartbeat to land a B- or C-level WWE show, and may drop them even for a Jeff Jarrett/Toby Keith start-up promotion if that turns out to be real. So much for "corporate safe levels." Panda will not bail TNA out to the tune of millions and millions of dollars a year forever - if they were willing to, TNA would never have lost Hogan or scurried back to the first Orlando soundstage that would have them. The cutbacks send a very, very clear message: Panda (and more specifically, Dixie's mom) is sick of losing so much money on Dixie's going-nowhere vanity project.
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Post by King Silva on Jan 12, 2014 10:10:21 GMT -5
That will be an interesting night.
I really like NXT so depending on the matches TNA has that night I'll most likely try to be watching the live NXT episode.
I'm expecting a good show to with some title changes (World + Women's) so that should be nice.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jan 12, 2014 10:23:34 GMT -5
I guess only a WWE-brainclogged fan, would find it funny that the fact is indeed: TNA is doing better business overseas, than the WWE is currently. Could that change? Absolutely, especially with the E's new network just around the corner. But for quite sometime, TNA's been the top dog in other markets around the World. Laugh all you want, it's a human mechanism showing denial when you have an inkling that I just might be right. I'm laughing at your silly fanboyism. TNA is most certainly not the top dog overseas - TNA's biggest market is the UK, where I live. And their TV show just about beats Raw in the ratings, but not by much - which is appallingly bad considering their show is on free TV in every home, and WWE's is on pay cable. Not to mention that TNA got that TV deal by accepting a very low rate, far less than what WWE makes for their UK TV rights. WWE runs two tours over here every year, both of which are longer than TNA's one tour, and both of which draw far bigger attendances than TNA's one tour. WWE merchandise is sold in droves in the UK. TNA merchandise isn't. WWE makes over thirty million dollars from the UK each year. Are you suggesting that TNA makes more? You've been a very silly boy and bought into Dixie's lie about TNA's popularity overseas - a lie concocted to divert attention away from their abject failure in the States. Your naive fantasy about them moving to the UK permanently is very sweet, though, so kudos. The UK is good for decent, but not great (and getting worse since the stars aren't coming over anymore), ticket sales. For about four shows a year. Now I know TNA has recently been squeezing lots into a taping recently (and then editing it together nonsensically with hilarious continuity errors), but they're never going to be able to tape 52 episodes of Impact in four nights. Booking UK arenas twenty-five nights a year, and flying all of the talent over regularly, would be an even bigger disaster than trying to run US arenas has been. The UK TV deal on Challenge wouldn't keep the company afloat for even a month - do you know what else Challenge broadcasts besides TNA? Reruns of game shows from twenty and thirty years ago. That's the kind of programming budget they have. So no, TNA will not be relocating to the UK. But it's cute that you think it's a possibility. Very silly comparison. Daniel Bryan is a legitimate star, watched by four million people in the US alone every Monday night, with current action figures in thousands of stores worldwide, and who makes at least five figures a year on merchandise sales alone. He's headlined PPVs bought by over a hundred thousand people. He has held World titles on PPVs that were bought by a million people. He has launched catchphrases that people chanted during AJ Styles' sad "pipe-bomb" imitation. He wrestles in high-level matches in front of thousands of people four nights a week. He's beaten John Cena cleanly in a PPV main event. Who else has done that in the last five years? Triple H. The Rock. That's rarified air. Nobody in TNA is a star unless they became one in WWE or WCW. TNA doesn't have the audience or sense to even use stars effectively (as seen in the crapty business they did even with Hogan, Hardy, Sting and Angle on the roster), let alone make them. AJ Styles had a cup of coffee in WCW and is seen as worth nothing more than a low-end developmental contract to WWE. He's not a big name, son. Maybe after a year or two in NXT, he could become a star on Raw. But right now? Nah. He's a TNA-level guy, not a star. And TNA can't even afford him anymore. The life of the company depends entirely on cutting costs and keeping the Spike TV contract - and the reality is that Spike would drop TNA in a heartbeat to land a B- or C-level WWE show, and may drop them even for a Jeff Jarrett/Toby Keith start-up promotion if that turns out to be real. So much for "corporate safe levels." Panda will not bail TNA out to the tune of millions and millions of dollars a year forever - if they were willing to, TNA would never have lost Hogan or scurried back to the first Orlando soundstage that would have them. The cutbacks send a very, very clear message: Panda (and more specifically, Dixie's mom) is sick of losing so much money on Dixie's going-nowhere vanity project. If I may, I'd like to add to your point about really how popular AJ Styles is, cause I can't disagree with you about TNA and the UK cause I don't live there, so the only ones who can argue with your statement are people who also live in the UK. I remember hearing stories, I think RVD even said one time in an interview, where people would come up to RVD and ask him if he's still in wrestling, while he was contracted with TNA. So yeah TNA is not even as popular as some people like to make them out to be. To say TNA is even close to being competitor for WWE is laughable as well, cause TNA right now isn't even an annoying pimple on WWE's ass. The only time TNA was even close to being competitor for WWE was around 2005-2006 when guys like Christian Cage, Kurt Angle, Scott Steiner, etc. went to TNA. Other than that, TNA wasn't even close and they are the number two promotion by default because they are on a higher level than Ring of Honor, but not by much. I mean they barely even sell out in their house shows. BTW, this is coming from someone who wants TNA to succeed, not fail. If they make it to the year 2015 on the level where they are at, I applaud them.
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Post by Joe/Smurf on Jan 12, 2014 14:25:46 GMT -5
Hilarious. One is on REAL tv. The other couldnt get a tv deal and is stuck as a stream only. One is full of good young stars and great action. The other is Impact Wrestling.
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Post by xxr23 on Jan 12, 2014 15:43:03 GMT -5
Hilarious. One is on REAL tv. The other couldnt get a tv deal and is stuck as a stream only. One is full of good young stars and great action. The other is Impact Wrestling. right because BO Dallas, Aiden English, CJ Paker, COLIN Cassdy, Enzo Amore, Leo Kruger, Mayson Ryan, MOJO Rawley, Tyler Breeze, Alexander Rusev. and The Ascension are talented.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 15:44:01 GMT -5
Hilarious. One is on REAL tv. The other couldnt get a tv deal and is stuck as a stream only. and yet NXT will probably get more viewers, and be a better show lol. I like TNA, but that main event last week really summed up TNA as a whole right now. Like 7 or 8 run-ins, two ref bumps, and it took like 9 people to beat one guy down for 3 seconds, and the other 8 to keep an old man out of the ring.
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