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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jan 16, 2014 10:49:04 GMT -5
Yeah because Daniel Bryan is SUCH a heavyweight... And Bray Wyatt is SO good looking right? Do you TNA boys ever actually READ the stuff you write? you mean the guy they have tryed their hardest to kill his over ness since Augest you mean the guy they blamed for the summer slam buy rate. Eve though during the build to the match all they did was have Vince McMahon himself tell us how he too small to be a wwe champion.and Also told us he was a little guy that couldn't carry the ball for your company.then you have every raw and SmackDown for the fowlling two months end with him getting his asskicked. Thats why he is the wwe champion oh wait a minute that is Randy two strikes orton. Thats why he is compeating for the title at the Royal Rumble. oh wait a minute thats John Cena.Also the same person who's heel turn they had to abort after two weeks because the fans were not Buying into it. You make a great point in saying that WWE's not pushing Daniel Bryan the way he should because right now he is the most over guy in WWE, but the way you made the post that was first quoted sound like all WWE likes to sign are these body builder type or people who have an Orton or Cena look, cause if you look at NXT, only half the people there have that l;ook, and most of them aren't getting pushed. When you look at the people on NXT that are pushed, like Bo Dallas, Sami Zayn, Adrian Neville, etc., two of them came from the indies and the other one though he is Mike Rotunda's son, he doesn't have that look IMO. Honestly, both companies have things that is great about them and that is horrible about them. Like TNA, what's horrible is that way to do business and the person is runs the company mostly listens to marks and the internet than people who knows the wrestling business more than she does, based on what I've heard from many shoot interviews where people mention her. WWE's problems is that they depend on the same people on top instead of trying and get people like Ziggler, Sandow, Cesaro over who should be over but aren't given a chance. Daniel Bryan, he was given chances to get over and he got over, but WWE (mostly Vince) doesn't want Bryan over. And I've said this many times before. There is nothing impressive about the American Wolves that they deserve a WWE contract. Like other people have said, they have no personalities and what's great about them, they already got guys on NXT who can do what they can do. So for people to criticize WWE and Triple H, calling him a moron because he didn't sign one of your indy favorites just makes people sound like absolute marks IMO. I hope they succeed in TNA, cause I know they won't have restrictions on what they can do, which baffles why people are so pissed off that they weren't signed to WWE because they were gonna change their names, restrict what they could do, slow down their styles, do everything that gonna piss off you guys anyway. I'm glad that they went to TNA, because it's fresh talent, a new tag team which I've been begging TNA do to sign more tag teams because their tag team division has been looking like the way WWE's tag division looked like in 2008-2011 before Triple H wanted more tag teams. I'm enjoying both RAW and TNA Impact, as it's the only two shows I watch live instead of watching it on the DVR. |
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on Jan 16, 2014 10:56:57 GMT -5
Those are just to guys on the roster, I know that we have our CM Punks and Daniel Bryan's but at the end of the day WWE will give a push to the guys that look like Ryback, Big E Langston, Cena, Orton, Regins, Big Show Yup, Randy Orton and Big Show look exactly alike. That's why Big Show wears a singlet, so people can tell him and Orton apart. What makes those guys all "deserve it"? And "deserve" what, exactly? The only guy from that list who DESERVES a bigger push than he's given is Daniel Bryan because he's over. Ziggler, he's not as over as people make him out to be (and this is coming from a huge Ziggler supporter). Ambrose, I can say he deserves some kind of push, but most of the time he's not as over as people make him out to be. Rollins, awesome wrestler, improved a little on the mic to me, but I would wait a while for him to be really pushed. Kofi, he's a great wrestler, but I don't think he should get pushed. Ryder, was over in 2011-2012, he should be on TV, but I don't think be pushed higher than US Title. Hawkins, unless he's in a tag team, I don't see him more than a jobber, and I loved the Hawkins/Tyler Reks tag team before Reks quit to be with his family. Sandow, he's not that over yet, but he should be given a chance to try and get more over. Now out of everyone on that list, Daniel Bryan is the only guy who is constantly over, not over every once and a while like Ziggler, Kofi, Ambrose, etc., who fans/marks make out to be more over than they are. |
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Post by Epic Z on Jan 16, 2014 11:14:33 GMT -5
Those are just to guys on the roster, I know that we have our CM Punks and Daniel Bryan's but at the end of the day WWE will give a push to the guys that look like Ryback, Big E Langston, Cena, Orton, Regins, Big Show Yup, Randy Orton and Big Show look exactly alike. That's why Big Show wears a singlet, so people can tell him and Orton apart. What makes those guys all "deserve it"? And "deserve" what, exactly? Come on, man you know what I mean. They both have a great look, Show looks like he can kill a man, and Orton is a pretty boy with a chiseled body. They all deserve push's because they are great wrestlers. Ziggler, Ambrose, Rollins, Bryan and Kofi can all put on 5 star matches imo. Sandow, Ryder and Hawkins are also pretty damn good wrestlers too. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 16, 2014 11:23:35 GMT -5
Yup, Randy Orton and Big Show look exactly alike. That's why Big Show wears a singlet, so people can tell him and Orton apart. What makes those guys all "deserve it"? And "deserve" what, exactly? Come on, man you know what I mean. They both have a great look, Show looks like he can kill a man, and Orton is a pretty boy with a chiseled body. No, I don't know what you mean. Randy Orton and Big Show look completely different. Are you saying that any kind of decent look in a TV-driven industry is a bad thing? What does a "push" consist of? Winning every match? Being world champion all the time? Because you've listed five guys there -- and it's not possible for all five to win every PPV main event, unless every PPV main event is a ten-man tag team match. It's not possible for all five to be World champion all the time. Daniel Bryan wrestled more PPV main events this year than anyone in the company besides Randy Orton. Rollins and Ambrose have wrestled in TV main events all year, too. Do you really think Damien Sandow, Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins are more suited to main events than John Cena and Randy Orton? Is your point that they should have Cena and Orton's spots on the card? |
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Post by Epic Z on Jan 16, 2014 11:33:30 GMT -5
Come on, man you know what I mean. They both have a great look, Show looks like he can kill a man, and Orton is a pretty boy with a chiseled body. No, I don't know what you mean. Randy Orton and Big Show look completely different. Are you saying that any kind of decent look in a TV-driven industry is a bad thing? What does a "push" consist of? Winning every match? Being world champion all the time? Because you've listed five guys there -- and it's not possible for all five to win every PPV main event, unless every PPV main event is a ten-man tag team match. It's not possible for all five to be World champion all the time. Daniel Bryan wrestled more PPV main events this year than anyone in the company besides Randy Orton. Rollins and Ambrose have wrestled in TV main events all year, too. Do you really think Damien Sandow, Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins are more suited to main events than John Cena and Randy Orton? Is your point that they should have Cena and Orton's spots on the card? Daniel Bryan has also lost a ton of those matches, Rollins and Ambrose will most likely be like Ted Dibiase and Rhodes after the Legacy ended while Regins will be pushed to the moon. I'm not saying they should be in the spots that Orton and Cena are in yet, what I mean is they should be given opportunities to be in those spots some day. I'm not going to get into a fight about WWE on the TNA board, so this is my last post about it in this thread. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2014 11:58:50 GMT -5
Lol at the guy saying major loss for the WWE. This will totally drive them out of business and propel TNA to the top of the wrestling world. Yeah, because I said them signing in TNA will run WWE out of business. You must read at a 3rd grade level if you're going to make irrelevant shots at people. Just saying it's 2 more great talents WWE dropped the ball. How exactly did they drop the ball? |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 16, 2014 12:11:15 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan has also lost a ton of those matches Win-loss records are a very silly thing to cry about when you're also crying that Ryback gets special treatment and "pushed." Ryback -- despite committing that cardinal sin of having muscles -- went an entire year without winning a PPV match. After Money in the Bank 2012, his next PPV win was Money in the Bank 2013. Ziggler, Rollins, Ambrose, Bryan, Kofi and Sandow all had PPV wins in that same period. If wins and losses are what constitutes a "push" then I guess Ryback wasn't "pushed" after all? At least not as much as Ziggler, Rollins, Ambrose, Bryan, Kofi and Sandow. Big Show -- despite looking like Randy Orton -- lost every PPV match he had in 2013. I guess he wasn't "pushed" after all, either? Oh, and Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins had various PPV wins over John Cena, Randy Orton, Ryback and Big Show in 2013. I don't think that Cena, Orton, Ryback or Show had any PPV wins over Ambrose or Rollins in 2013. I guess Rollins and Ambrose have been "pushed" pretty strongly. I'm not fighting with anyone, I'm pointing out the silliness of certain opinions. But yes, I think it's good that you bow out now, because really you're just showing how biased you are -- and I'm sure that would apply to TNA results as well as WWE. If your favourites don't win world titles all the time, they're being buried. If guys with muscles even get a match on a PPV, they're being overpushed. It's fine to be biased towards your favourites, we're all fans and we all have favourites, just don't confuse it with being a sensible or salient point. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 16, 2014 12:22:26 GMT -5
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Post by Darkhawk on Jan 16, 2014 15:20:34 GMT -5
How exactly did they drop the ball? Because now WWE doesn't have any guys who do moves and used to work on the indies. I said WWE lost two MORE great talents. Not that they don't have any guys who use to work on the indies. Apparently everybody is reading at a third grade level these days. -.- |
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Post by Darkhawk on Jan 16, 2014 15:21:34 GMT -5
Why are all these TNA haters on a TNA thread it's pretty illogical.
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Post by Scotty on Jan 16, 2014 15:29:47 GMT -5
Why are all these TNA haters on a TNA thread it's pretty illogical. It doesn't even bother me anymore, its always the same group of people. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 16, 2014 16:49:01 GMT -5
Because now WWE doesn't have any guys who do moves and used to work on the indies. I said WWE lost two MORE great talents. Not that they don't have any guys who use to work on the indies. Apparently everybody is reading at a third grade level these days. -.- Lol ok. What do David Richards and Eddie Edward offer that WWE don't already have? |
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Post by Darkhawk on Jan 16, 2014 16:57:58 GMT -5
I said WWE lost two MORE great talents. Not that they don't have any guys who use to work on the indies. Apparently everybody is reading at a third grade level these days. -.- Lol ok. What do David Richards and Eddie Edward offer that WWE don't already have? A great already perfectly established Tag Team. Plus not all indy wrestlers have the same style of wrestling you guys need to stop assuming that. For example: Antonio Cesaro has a totally different wrestling style than Daniel Bryan. Even CM Punk is different than Daniel Bryan. |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 16, 2014 17:10:06 GMT -5
Lol ok. What do David Richards and Eddie Edward offer that WWE don't already have? A great already perfectly established Tag Team. I don't think you know what "established" means -- one bad loss on NXT does not establish a team, neither does wrestling in high school gyms or Japan. None of that makes a team established in WWE. They are unknowns -- by definition, that means they are not established. Furthermore, WWE is not short on tag teams. So to clarify your other "point": what unique style of wrestling do they do that nobody else in WWE does? What is so different about them that would make anyone other than a dim child scream that WWE/McMahon/Triple H is a moron for not hiring them? |
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Jan 16, 2014 17:26:38 GMT -5
Still baffled as to why WWE didn't sign them. Because WWE has a ton of little workrate guys already on the roster (many of whom also have other skills), and those two don't have any personality. WWE doesn't just placate the kids on the Internet who want a wrestling show to be 100% little workrate guys -- a wrestling show should be way more than that. Ultimately, the American Pitbulls didn't offer anything that WWE doesn't already have on the roster. Nail on the head. I still don't understand the Davey and Eddie hype. |
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Post by Darkhawk on Jan 16, 2014 17:30:54 GMT -5
A great already perfectly established Tag Team. I don't think you know what "established" means -- one bad loss on NXT does not establish a team, neither does wrestling in high school gyms or Japan. None of that makes a team established in WWE. They are unknowns -- by definition, that means they are not established. Furthermore, WWE is not short on tag teams. So to clarify your other "point": what unique style of wrestling do they do that nobody else in WWE does? What is so different about them that would make anyone other than a dim child scream that WWE/McMahon/Triple H is a moron for not hiring them? I get what you're trying to say in them being an unknown established team, because they aren't in WWE. But they already are an established team by definition, because they've been together for years as The American Wolves in ROH. WWE has about 4 tag teams right now having only one heel team, they could of easily debuted The American Wolves as a dominate heel team, because we all know The Real Americans aren't really a threat. And your other argument isn't worth arguing, because that's like saying why do we need Kurt Angle when we have Jack Swagger or why do we need Kane when we have Undertaker or why do we need Batista when we have Ryback, Brock Lesnar and Big E Langston. See how dumb that sounds, just saying The American Wolves could of been great talent to have in WWE. I mean have you see the NXT roster? Makes me wonder why the hell WWE signed most of the guys in the first place. Why the f**k did they signed JoJo is one I will never understand. |
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Post by Justin on Jan 16, 2014 17:41:10 GMT -5
I don't think you know what "established" means -- one bad loss on NXT does not establish a team, neither does wrestling in high school gyms or Japan. None of that makes a team established in WWE. They are unknowns -- by definition, that means they are not established. Furthermore, WWE is not short on tag teams. So to clarify your other "point": what unique style of wrestling do they do that nobody else in WWE does? What is so different about them that would make anyone other than a dim child scream that WWE/McMahon/Triple H is a moron for not hiring them? I get what you're trying to say in them being an unknown established team, because they aren't in WWE. But they already are an established team by definition, because they've been together for years as The American Wolves in ROH. WWE has about 4 tag teams right now having only one heel team, they could of easily debuted The American Wolves as a dominate heel team, because we all know The Real Americans aren't really a threat. And your other argument isn't worth arguing, because that's like saying why do we need Kurt Angle when we have Jack Swagger or why do we need Kane when we have Undertaker or why do we need Batista when we have Ryback, Brock Lesnar and Big E Langston. See how dumb that sounds, just saying The American Wolves could of been great talent to have in WWE. I mean have you see the NXT roster? Makes me wonder why the hell WWE signed most of the guys in the first place. Why the f**k did they signed JoJo is one I will never understand. Wyatt family are heel. Rybaxel are also heel.I love the wolves but The wwe has PTP's- Face Uso's- Face Los Matadores- Face Rybaxel- Heel Henry and Big E- Face Real Americans- Heel Wyatt's- Heel Goldust and Rhodes- Face Mysterio and Show were just teaming |
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Post by Darkhawk on Jan 16, 2014 17:49:34 GMT -5
I get what you're trying to say in them being an unknown established team, because they aren't in WWE. But they already are an established team by definition, because they've been together for years as The American Wolves in ROH. WWE has about 4 tag teams right now having only one heel team, they could of easily debuted The American Wolves as a dominate heel team, because we all know The Real Americans aren't really a threat. And your other argument isn't worth arguing, because that's like saying why do we need Kurt Angle when we have Jack Swagger or why do we need Kane when we have Undertaker or why do we need Batista when we have Ryback, Brock Lesnar and Big E Langston. See how dumb that sounds, just saying The American Wolves could of been great talent to have in WWE. I mean have you see the NXT roster? Makes me wonder why the hell WWE signed most of the guys in the first place. Why the f**k did they signed JoJo is one I will never understand. Wyatt family are heel. Rybaxel are also heel.I love the wolves but The wwe has PTP's- Face Uso's- Face Los Matadores- Face Rybaxel- Heel Henry and Big E- Face Real Americans- Heel Wyatt's- Heel Goldust and Rhodes- Face Mysterio and Show were just teaming I'm pretty sure Rybaxel disbanded and so did Big Show and Rey Mysterio since Big Show is in a feud with Brock Lesnar. Henry and Big E weren't a tag team either. I forgot about the Wyatt's but they're not really going for the Tag Team titles since they're in a feud with Daniel Bryan right now. Leaving The Real Americans as the only heel team going after the gold and getting squashed by every face team the face. What ever happen to Los Matadores anyways? |
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 16, 2014 18:20:14 GMT -5
I get what you're trying to say in them being an unknown established team, because they aren't in WWE. But they already are an established team by definition, because they've been together for years as The American Wolves in ROH. Once again -- it is impossible for them to be established when they are unknowns. You are using a word without understanding what it means. They are not an established anything.WWE tag teams: Cody Rhodes and Goldust The Usos The Wyatt Family The Shield 3MB Prime Time Players R-Truth and Xavier Woods Los Matadores Real Americans I might even be forgetting one or two there. I'm assuming you mean dominant heel team, and no, they couldn't. Those guys are about five feet tall. They're not going to be a dominant team when a lot of the time, they're wrestling opponents twice their size. It would be stupidly unrealistic for a couple of charismaless, roided-up Hornswoggles to be dominating Titus O'Neil. Even without picking apart the silliness of the comparisons, I'll try to examine your logic: If WWE hadn't signed Big E Langston and Ryback, they'd have "dropped the ball" and been "morons" there too? Because the WWE roster, and this goes for TNA too, needs more variety than just little workrate guys. WWE can't afford to be as myopic as kids on the Internet who think the be-all and end-all of wrestling is little workrate guys. Triple H gave these two a tryout to see if they had anything more to offer than that, and evidently, they didn't. TNA, on the other hand, is in desperate need of new, cheap talent and thinks they are worth a shot -- and hopefully it works out well and they become a good part of TNA's roster. Because she impressed them the most out of everyone (besides Eva Marie) at the Total Divas casting boot camp. Not every new signing works out in the end, regardless of how many Internet points they have. JoJo had no wrestling background and hasn't worked out. Kassius Ohno wrestled for years in little podunk shows before he got signed, and he didn't work out either -- hell, he didn't work out in more ways than one.  |
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Post by Justin on Jan 16, 2014 18:24:52 GMT -5
Wyatt family are heel. Rybaxel are also heel.I love the wolves but The wwe has PTP's- Face Uso's- Face Los Matadores- Face Rybaxel- Heel Henry and Big E- Face Real Americans- Heel Wyatt's- Heel Goldust and Rhodes- Face Mysterio and Show were just teaming I'm pretty sure Rybaxel disbanded and so did Big Show and Rey Mysterio since Big Show is in a feud with Brock Lesnar. Henry and Big E weren't a tag team either. I forgot about the Wyatt's but they're not really going for the Tag Team titles since they're in a feud with Daniel Bryan right now. Leaving The Real Americans as the only heel team going after the gold and getting squashed by every face team the face. What ever happen to Los Matadores anyways? Rybaxel just teamed on Raw |
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