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Post by Falconsinclair on Jan 29, 2014 23:36:32 GMT -5
So after watching StevieBreech's new video, this thought entered my mind. I have seen people saying that the WWE should go and give Punk whatever he wants and get him back. Steve made a big point. If WWE gives Punk what he wants, which is ultimately creative control, then WWE will be no better than WCW when Hogan and his cronies ran the company. It killed the company in the long run. I'm not saying that this will happen to WWE, but if they let Punk win, then who says someone else won't try to get past the system. If Punk wants to leave, fine, let him. WWE shouldn't have to kiss up to him or anyone else for that matter. What are your thoughts on this. I love Punk, but WWE shouldn't have to kiss up to get him back. the only difference is hogan and his cronies was worth the money. The only people who like Punk and Bryan are in there 20s and never really seen real good old school wrestling. And no attitude era is not old school HAHAHA, that's funny. I am 40 and Punk and Bryan are two of the best the company has to offer and WWE continues to misuse them. They are 2 of the few old school style wrestlers. I have been watching since WrestleMania 3. Punk and Bryan are the closest things we have now to Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels anymore!! Yet Vince keeps pushing Cena. I have been a fan of the WWE since before WrestleMania I, and other than being a die hard Hulkamaniac I have always enjoyed guys like Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, Jake the Snake other than the typical "Muscle Head" that Vince has forced down our throats since he took over from his Father. Look at the list of Champions before Vincent K McMahon took over the WWWF and compare it to the guys he has handed the belt to after taking over. If Vincent K McMahon has been running the WWWF back in the day the only man who would have been champion would have been "Superstar" Billy Graham. Graham is the only person from the era before Vincent K McMahon took over that fits the typical Vincent K McMahon "Championship Look" I can almost bet that if Triple H hadn't stepped in and said "We need longer title reigns" (something that many reports have attributed to him) then CM Punk would have never came close to 434 days. He would have dropped the belt during the Ryback feud at the latest. If Punk wants to take his ball and go home, then I have lost a lot respect for him. Same thing happened when Shawn Michaels & Steve Austin did the exact same thing. If a guy doesn't want to go out there night in and night out to entertain the fans that brought him to the dance, then I don't care about them. As much as I like Daniel Bryan's in ring work, if he pulled this stunt I would move on to supporting someone else who has proven to me that they care as much about the business as I do. It was one of the many reasons I loved Edge so much, and I legit cried when he was forced to retire.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2014 23:38:36 GMT -5
Oh come on as big is Punk is he doesn't have that pull to get them to finally give him that kind of creative control, at best they might meet in the middle and get him involved in the main storyline. Cena on the other hand probably could pull something like that off.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jan 30, 2014 0:17:27 GMT -5
The wwe isn't loosing a bead of sweat over this. Like hhh said punk is a b-plus star. As wwe champ he was always playing second fiddle to cena. He was basically one long transitional champ. They never pushed him as the man.
Hogan walking out and testifying against Vince was bad. The Monday night wars made Vince lose a lot of sleep as well. The Benoit incident put all negative eyes on the wwe. Punk leaving unfortunatly is nothing to them. They won't give in to his demands. They'll try to work something out like possibly fewer dates or more pay, but they won't do anything ridiculous to get him back.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Jan 30, 2014 0:37:46 GMT -5
I can almost bet that if Triple H hadn't stepped in and said "We need longer title reigns" (something that many reports have attributed to him) then CM Punk would have never came close to 434 days. He would have dropped the belt during the Ryback feud at the latest. Punk kept the title that long for two reasons: 1. Cena (and Rock, HHH and Brock) headlining shows meant that WWE could afford to have a long title reign on Punk without needing him to be a big money draw. If Rock and Brock hadn't come back during that year to help ppvs and ratings, the belt would've been put back on Cena to draw money. Punk was lucky in the sense that he didn't have the same pressures and expectations that WWE champs usually do. 2. For some reason, they were obsessed with the idea that The Rock's title win needed to end a long reign. That, plus the aforementioned heavy hitters carrying the ppv/TV load, meant Punk was allowed a record-breaking title run.
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Post by Chief on Jan 30, 2014 1:04:15 GMT -5
Give Punk whatever he wants to get him back on my TV. I have less of an interest in the product with him gone.
If he doesn't come back, this is a big blow to WWE. He is arguably the #2 babyface behind Cena.
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Post by Jack on Jan 30, 2014 2:48:45 GMT -5
I agree with a earlier comment, I just think Punk was burned out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 5:47:59 GMT -5
So after watching StevieBreech's new video, this thought entered my mind. I have seen people saying that the WWE should go and give Punk whatever he wants and get him back. Steve made a big point. If WWE gives Punk what he wants, which is ultimately creative control, then WWE will be no better than WCW when Hogan and his cronies ran the company. It killed the company in the long run. I'm not saying that this will happen to WWE, but if they let Punk win, then who says someone else won't try to get past the system. If Punk wants to leave, fine, let him. WWE shouldn't have to kiss up to him or anyone else for that matter. What are your thoughts on this. I love Punk, but WWE shouldn't have to kiss up to get him back. You also watch Steviebreech? As long as you don't touch my drums
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 5:54:00 GMT -5
NOBODY should have creative control over their own character. It never works out well. Austin became just as much of a primadonna as Punk towards the end of his career. He was known to walk out if he didn't get his way as well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 5:57:38 GMT -5
So after watching StevieBreech's new video, this thought entered my mind. I have seen people saying that the WWE should go and give Punk whatever he wants and get him back. Steve made a big point. If WWE gives Punk what he wants, which is ultimately creative control, then WWE will be no better than WCW when Hogan and his cronies ran the company. It killed the company in the long run. I'm not saying that this will happen to WWE, but if they let Punk win, then who says someone else won't try to get past the system. If Punk wants to leave, fine, let him. WWE shouldn't have to kiss up to him or anyone else for that matter. What are your thoughts on this. I love Punk, but WWE shouldn't have to kiss up to get him back. the only difference is hogan and his cronies was worth the money. The only people who like Punk and Bryan are in there 20s and never really seen real good old school wrestling. And no attitude era is not old school
You young 'ens can get as mad as you want about this statement, but it's true.
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Post by dgnr8 on Jan 30, 2014 6:03:41 GMT -5
Austin became just as much of a primadonna as Punk towards the end of his career. He was known to walk out if he didn't get his way as well. Fair enough. I was simply making the point that MUCH good has come from giving talents individual creative control. Whether Austin ultimately walked out or not, control made a HUGE difference in both his career and the course of professional wrestling history. Steve was a merchandising GIANT. And that's the bottom line, cause Stone Cold said so... Him. Austin 3:16? Him. SCU? Him. DTA? Him. Same with Taker, but here you have a company guy who never left, never really made waves and became a leader in the locker room. His creative control over his character was unprecedented and remains fully intact today. It depends heavily on the talent, but in the right hands, personal creative control can be a blessing for the entire wrestling business.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 6:07:14 GMT -5
the only difference is hogan and his cronies was worth the money. The only people who like Punk and Bryan are in there 20s and never really seen real good old school wrestling. And no attitude era is not old school
You young 'ens can get as mad as you want about this statement, but it's true. I like Punk & Bryan and am in my 30's and have been watching since the 1980s.....so that statement is so full of sh*t it should be sponsored by Pampers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 6:11:06 GMT -5
You young 'ens can get as mad as you want about this statement, but it's true. I like Punk & Bryan and am in my 30's and have been watching since the 1980s.....so that statement is so full of sh*t it should be sponsored by Pampers. Yeah, same here. I like Bryan (not the biggest Punk fan). I was referring to the statement about the Attitude Era not being old school.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 6:16:39 GMT -5
I like Punk & Bryan and am in my 30's and have been watching since the 1980s.....so that statement is so full of sh*t it should be sponsored by Pampers. Yeah, same here. I like Bryan (not the biggest Punk fan). I was referring to the statement about the Attitude Era not being old school. yeah I knew that man,I was refrencing the ludicrous Punk/Bryan statement. I also don't consider the AE old School.....IMO its anything but....it was the abolishment of Old School.for me Old School is 92 and back.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 7:05:00 GMT -5
As much as I like Punk he shouldn't be treated any more specially than anyone else on the roster.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 7:07:59 GMT -5
Yeah, same here. I like Bryan (not the biggest Punk fan). I was referring to the statement about the Attitude Era not being old school. yeah I knew that man,I was refrencing the ludicrous Punk/Bryan statement. I also don't consider the AE old School.....IMO its anything but....it was the abolishment of Old School.for me Old School is 92 and back..... I like both Punk and Bryan too. Punk is actually the guy who made me stay around and continue watching when I started rewatching 'cause of The Rock. I don't think he's on the levels of Bret-Hennig-Owen-Dynamite in terms of in ring talent but I think he's among the best going today.
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Post by ThugSuperstar on Jan 30, 2014 8:37:41 GMT -5
I have no going whatsoever that Punk could pull a storyline out of his ass in a split second and it would be better than anything we've seen in the last decade. Could things possibly get any worse if they did indeed give him creative control?
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Post by marino13 on Jan 30, 2014 9:10:38 GMT -5
NOBODY should have creative control over their own character. It never works out well. To be honest, I'm not 100% sure how much creative control Austin had. Because it's safe to assume he didn't have it when he inadvertently created Austin 3:16. Since he was originally wasn't even suppose to win the KOTR. And if you recall years later he was not happy when they booked him to face Hall at WM. And towards the end he walked out of WWE because they had him booked to lose to Lesnar. If he had creative control he could have just vetoed it instead of walking. Taker may have creative control now. But at this point there isn't much harm he could do with it. We all know he isn't going to book himself into a WWE championship match. And for awhile now it's been reported that he was more than willing to lose at Mania but Vince liked the idea of the streak continuing. So maybe Taker does not have 100% creative Control? My point was Hogan, Nash, & a few others in wCw had creative Control. And unfortunately for them (and us) it made for some god awful TV. And it eventually ran them out of business.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 9:52:57 GMT -5
Just get rid of Punk. Never speak of him again. Ta-ta.
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Post by punksnotdead on Jan 30, 2014 10:38:09 GMT -5
If Punk wants to take his ball and go home, then I have lost a lot respect for him. Same thing happened when Shawn Michaels & Steve Austin did the exact same thing. If a guy doesn't want to go out there night in and night out to entertain the fans that brought him to the dance, then I don't care about them. As much as I like Daniel Bryan's in ring work, if he pulled this stunt I would move on to supporting someone else who has proven to me that they care as much about the business as I do. It was one of the many reasons I loved Edge so much, and I legit cried when he was forced to retire. You seem to think these guys owe you anything, and they don't. They wrestle 300 days a year and beat the sh*t out of themselves for our entertainment. If they get pissed over corporate politics every once in awhile, which happens in every single workplace in America, then so be it. The fact you claim to be a fan of a guy but can't support him through a difficult crossroads in his career is kind of hilarious. You do realize that if Punk never got so disgruntled and lashed out, that he would never have been WWE Champion to begin with? Period. They were never putting the title on him until he cut that promo. Every person on this site is an armchair quarterback. "I'd do this, I'd write that, this guy is a b*tch, he sucks!" I do it too, all day long, but let's not forget to be human either. If Punk thinks he is the most talented guy on the roster, which plenty of people seem to agree with, then he's allowed to be upset when he's not given an opportunity to challenge himself and grow. This isn't just pro wrestling, this is every single job in our country. If Punk has afforded himself the right to walk out the door at any given time and go do something else, then all the power to him. Pro wrestling is a job for these guys. Yes, we all pay to see it, with time, money, or both, but these guys don't owe me anything if they decide they're done. Rock doesn't owe us anything, Brock didn't owe us anything, HBK, Austin, and certainly not Punk, we aren't entitled to anything. It was our job to appreciate them while they were here and if you truly are a fan then support them in whatever they do next. That's why I watched all of the Rock's sh*tty movies before he settled in as an actor, why I had a UFC 100 party, why I've seen a bunch Stone Cold's horrendous c-action movies, and why, for the first time in my life, I've ever seen a hunting show. Also, this line: proven to me that they care as much about the business as I do is a joke, of the highest caliber. Challenging a guy like Punk's passion, or even someone like Cena. Punk came from nothing, and wrestled in high school gyms for half of his career. Cena does more for wrestling on a daily basis than 85% of the current roster will do in their entire career, and he gets booed by all of us every week for his efforts, including by me. You've lost touch with reality if you think that your fandom some how parallels what these guys experience. Try having a family when you're out on the road for 90% of the calendar year. Try just going to the gym 4 times a week while holding a job, let alone driving or flying from place to place at every unGodly hour of the night. Try maintaining your diet at 2am when the only thing that's open is Taco Bell. We see the shiny happy side of pro wrestling in a 3 hour package every Monday night, but let's not, for one second, think that any of us are capable of doing what they do, because otherwise we would be doing it instead of watching it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2014 10:53:04 GMT -5
So after watching StevieBreech's new video, this thought entered my mind. I have seen people saying that the WWE should go and give Punk whatever he wants and get him back. Steve made a big point. If WWE gives Punk what he wants, which is ultimately creative control, then WWE will be no better than WCW when Hogan and his cronies ran the company. It killed the company in the long run. I'm not saying that this will happen to WWE, but if they let Punk win, then who says someone else won't try to get past the system. If Punk wants to leave, fine, let him. WWE shouldn't have to kiss up to him or anyone else for that matter. What are your thoughts on this. I love Punk, but WWE shouldn't have to kiss up to get him back. the only difference is hogan and his cronies was worth the money. The only people who like Punk and Bryan are in there 20s and never really seen real good old school wrestling. And no attitude era is not old school That's a pretty foul assumption. I'm in my 30's & enjoy Bryan because I enjoy his wrestling...reminds me of Backlund & Bret Hart. I hated the attitude era, but I definitely see Bryan being able to put on great matches in other eras of classic wrestling. Everyone's opinion is different, but that assumption of his fans is ignorant.
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