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Post by ricflair4ever on Feb 27, 2014 23:08:16 GMT -5
Rick Rude vs. JYD JYD was always crazy over with the fans. I always loved Rude. Great heel. Love the Pearl Harbor job to start off. Sad both of these guys are no longer with us. JYD on his crotch is disturbing. Love the way JYD sells the double axehandle. Notice these days how wrestling finally abandoned the "all black people have hard heads" gimmick. All Superstar does is agree with everything Gorilla says and repeat it. Ha. I forgot about the tights with Roberts wife on them. Crowd popped like crazy with the Jake run in. Man Honkey Tonk Man was so dialed in as a heel. That gimmick should never have worked. Love the overconfidence in the interview. You know, I've never really thought about it before, but could the Honky Tonk Man actually be the 2nd greatest gimmick guy behind the Undertaker? Seriously, as TRW pointed out, that gimmick really never should have worked on any level. I pretty much had Matt Bornes Doink as the 2nd best gimmick .....in my opinion of course.......but realistically HTM had the bigger impact and longevity. And morseo than Doink (and maybe even Taker himself) there just shouldn't have been any legs to this. It shouldn't have been a success. Let alone one the size of which he became.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2014 23:24:39 GMT -5
Rick Rude vs. JYD JYD was always crazy over with the fans. I always loved Rude. Great heel. Love the Pearl Harbor job to start off. Sad both of these guys are no longer with us. JYD on his crotch is disturbing. Love the way JYD sells the double axehandle. Notice these days how wrestling finally abandoned the "all black people have hard heads" gimmick. All Superstar does is agree with everything Gorilla says and repeat it. Ha. I forgot about the tights with Roberts wife on them. Crowd popped like crazy with the Jake run in. Man Honkey Tonk Man was so dialed in as a heel. That gimmick should never have worked. Love the overconfidence in the interview. You know, I've never really thought about it before, but could the Honky Tonk Man actually be the 2nd greatest gimmick guy behind the Undertaker? Seriously, as TRW pointed out, that gimmick really never should have worked on any level. I pretty much had Matt Bornes Doink as the 2nd best gimmick .....in my opinion of course.......but realistically HTM had the bigger impact and longevity. And morseo than Doink (and maybe even Taker himself) there just shouldn't have been any legs to this. It shouldn't have been a success. Let alone one the size of which he became. I'd put Goldust and IRS up there, too. These gimmicks are truly awful and would've failed within a month if it weren't for the guys who took them on. But, to me, Goldust is the best example of it. Undertaker, HTM, and IRS were well done outside if the ring and with a certain bravado in ring that made it work. Goldust and Doink, though, had entire movesets specifically catered to the characters, especially Goldust. 'Taker, HTM, IRS, these characters could have possibly worked with other guys, though it's a 1/1,000,000 chance. Goldust and Doink literally could not be played by anyone else, and we saw that proved with Doink.
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Post by koreygunz on Feb 28, 2014 9:33:36 GMT -5
Goldust and Doink (evil version) could NOT have been played by just anyone. Rhodes and matt Bourne really brought those characters to life. They weren't just "wrestlers with face paint"
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 11:02:27 GMT -5
Goldust and Doink (evil version) could NOT have been played by just anyone. Rhodes and matt Bourne really brought those characters to life. They weren't just "wrestlers with face paint" I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or if you misread what I wrote.
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Post by koreygunz on Feb 28, 2014 11:20:37 GMT -5
Sorry, I did mis read what u said. But yes we are in agreement! I would add undertaker as a gimmick that couldn't be done by anyone else though
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 11:39:33 GMT -5
Sorry, I did mis read what u said. But yes we are in agreement! I would add undertaker as a gimmick that couldn't be done by anyone else though I'm on the fence with 'Taker. I don't think his gimmick really has anything to do with his popularity (outside of possibly children, who don't really read too much into a gimmick, anyway), it's all about his ability. That being said, there are very few wrestlers throughout the history of wrestling that command the same respect that Undertaker does, so you'd be hard pressed to find another guy that'd get everyone to look past the fact that they're supposedly watching a zombie wrestle. That's why I said it's a one-in-a-million chance, while Doink and Goldust could only be played by Bourne and Rhodes.
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Feb 28, 2014 12:50:42 GMT -5
If Ric Flair had jumped to the WWE during that time frame to be in SummerSlam to wrestle Savage, how does everyone think SummerSlam would have looked for matches??
Would Hogan vs. Andre have happened yet again?? Or would it have been Hogan vs. DiBiase??
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2014 12:56:21 GMT -5
Now this is a discussion I can get into, I doubt I'll steamroll over the whole show in one sitting, so I suppose we'll just start with the opener and go from there.
This is a first time for me, as I was born a few years earlier and by the time I was old enough to truly get into wrestling and understand it, these years were long gone. Intro gives me chills, I love it just as much as I love today's WWE intro, this global entity and this massive fandom that spans generations, basically I love pro wrestling.
Opening match, Rougeau Brothers vs The British Bulldogs. Despite my age, I am aware of the Bulldogs and how awesome they are, thank you youtube for that. So this outta be a treat. Always great to see a show start off pretty hot and heavy, they know they have to get the fans into things and quick, so no time for any lengthy technical wrestling and that's fine by me. Bulldogs hot outta the gate and they continue onward, beautiful cartwheel to avoid a monkey flip by Davey Boy, showcasing some nice agility. Lots of tag teams during this era of pro wrestling, going back to Survivor Series from in the same time frame, they had two massive 20 man tag team elimination matches, which showcased a strong tag division with Powers of Pain, Demolition, Hart Foundation, and many more teams.
Surprisingly, lots of heelish stuff from both teams, lots of just switching in and out without tags, Bulldogs do some heelish tactics, as if both teams were towing the line of good and bad. Though it quickly goes out the window as we get a clear cut heel vs face dynamic and they work towards the hot tag. Lots of entertaining double team offense from the Rougeau bothers and some solid technical stuff from both sides as the match slows down. As mentioned earlier, we get the time limit draw to close this out and it's a pretty solid opening match. Both teams looked great, entertaining action, couldn't really find many flaws with it.
Then we get the Bass/Beefcake angle and I gotta say, that's pretty hardcore for 88 WWF. He not only attacks Beefcake after he's had a match, but he chokes him and then cuts him open, and maybe I'm just not watching enough from that era, but that seems like something you didn't see all that much in WWF, let alone much of wrestling period in 1988. Crazy stuff.
Strong opening match, I'll pick this up a bit later and post some more thoughts later on.
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Post by T R W on Feb 28, 2014 13:14:14 GMT -5
Powers of Pain vs. The Bolsheviks
Sick is probably the best and worst manager gimmick of all-time.
Even when Nikolai was younger, he always looked like a grandpa.
The 80s were just so great because if anyone wanted to be heel, all they had to do is be Russian.
I kind of liked the Powers of Pain, but they even down to the red print on the side of the pants, they were Road Warriors light.
I totally forgot that Baron Von Raschke was their manager for this match. How random.
Russians were so sloppy in this match. Not that Warlord was much better.
Crowd doesn't care about P.O.P. just the cheap heat of the Russians.
Pretty much a plodding big guy match like you would expect.
Nikolai has the highest tights of all time.
Hahaha. Worst roundhouse kick I have ever seen by Nikolai.
Warlord was a stiff but I think Barbarian was under appreciated.
The Powers of Pain win. And their theme sounds like NES music.
YAY Brother Love.
Christ I hated this and it lasted waaaayyy too long. The first tiem was funny, making fun of all the crazy televangelists at the time but ugh. Man Hacksaw Jim Duggan was so over. I like watching his career and watching him gradually become more and more intellectually- disabled and barely able to form sentences. Him licking his lips while describing where he is going to show his 2x4 is kiiiind of creepy.
I love they kept the Leonard/Lalonde PPV ad in it.
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Post by mikey1974 on Feb 28, 2014 17:36:23 GMT -5
was FINALLY able to watch this as the Network is working for me now!
this was a great card,a real cracker for its time with all the top guys involved!
I can distinctly remember watching this live when it first aired. it had that "special event" feel, like a special card had to be created just to handle the hugeness of it's main event. it was like the first WrestleMania in that respect,as well as all of us not knowing it would also becoming a yearly,ongoing event. it could just as easily been a one-time special event.
top to bottom,mostly great matches, great feuds being started or ended, the surprise of the IC Match, and the greatness of it's main event. if you weren't around back then - this thing was FRIGGING HUGE! the culmination of Savage vs Dibiase,with hulk and Andre thrown in! LOL, should be noted, though, that in the weeks leading up to announcement of the ME, Savage was teasing who his partner would be, but there was no surprise to it - we ALL knew it would be Hogan. and of course the first subtle hint of the Mega-Powers exploding was planted here as well.
another LOL! my best friend Corey was a HUGE Hart foundation fan,even back to their heel days. I loved Demolition with all my soul. needless to say,one of us was ecstatic and one of us was pissed before the show was over! I can still hear him in my head : "That wasn't right! They had to cheat to win!".... I didn't care, my beloved Ax and Smash still had the Straps,that's all that mattered!
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Mar 2, 2014 13:10:25 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I think this event almost as much as WM (but not quite) convinced Vince about the value of PPV. It seems to have been such a success, and proved that this kind of supercard event could happen more regularly than once a year.
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Post by mikey1974 on Mar 2, 2014 13:15:52 GMT -5
The more I think about it, the more I think this event almost as much as WM (but not quite) convinced Vince about the value of PPV. It seems to have been such a success, and proved that this kind of supercard event could happen more regularly than once a year. might be! I know,at least in my inner circle and the people I knew, that it was one of those "must see" events,and had that "big fight" feel to it at the time. and everyone was discussing it at school the next day. if you were a wrestling fan,it was made to feel you HAD to get this,or be out of the loop.
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