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Post by SodaGuy on Mar 9, 2014 17:15:47 GMT -5
Last Year: "This points system is stupid, it takes away the purpose of racing hard for the lead." This Year: "This points system is stupid, it takes away the purpose of racing hard when its not for the lead." Explain why Kyle Busch and Matt Kenseth are going to race each other hard for a Top 10. They aren't fighting for valuable points because points don't matter unless you don't win. Chances of Matt and Kyle not winning? Slim. So, they aren't going to race each other hard for that spot because it doesn't mean anything. Every position on track should be something. Harvick finished 41st and gosh.. that doesn't mean anything. The Chase is flawed. |
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Mar 9, 2014 17:17:37 GMT -5
If you're not racing for the lead, racing to win, what are you on the track for? It's like if you're not in wrestling to be a champion, what are you there for? The point of racing is to win.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 17:19:55 GMT -5
Jeff Gordon should be a six time champion, Carl Edwards should be a two time champion, Kyle Busch might have had one as well. Matt Kenseths 2003 title win was great. Consistency is key to winning. Drivers should be happy with a top five, but they are not.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 17:21:49 GMT -5
Chances of there being more than 16 winners making points matter? Chances of there being less than 16 winners making points matter? More than the chances of there being exactly 16 winners making points not matter.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 17:22:01 GMT -5
If you're not racing for the lead, racing to win, what are you on the track for? It's like if you're not in wrestling to be a champion, what are you there for? The point of racing is to win. The point of racing is to win titles. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Mar 9, 2014 17:31:20 GMT -5
Chances of there being more than 16 winners making points matter? Chances of there being less than 16 winners making points matter? More than the chances of there being exactly 16 winners making points not matter. None of that matters with a victory though unless you utterly s*** the bed until Richmond. There is very slim chances of seeing more than sixteen winners. Points won't matter for those with a victory in the case of less than sixteen winners.. because they have the victory. Points aren't going to matter for drivers like Jimmie/Kyle/Matt/etc. who always manage to score 'least one victory. So..surprise.. this new system doesn't make those drivers race each other harder or different.
It changes people's strategy but other than that.. it doesn't change the RACING. |
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Post by "The Visionary" Eldniw on Mar 9, 2014 17:34:22 GMT -5
If you're not racing for the lead, racing to win, what are you on the track for? It's like if you're not in wrestling to be a champion, what are you there for? The point of racing is to win. The point of racing is to win titles. And how, do tell, do you win titles? Oh hey, winning races and earning points. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 9, 2014 17:35:09 GMT -5
Cmon guys, Junior just won 2 weeks ago. You really didnt expect him to win again did you? He's got at least another year & half before he gets his next win.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 17:37:24 GMT -5
The point of racing is to win titles. And how, do tell, do you win titles? Oh hey, winning races and earning points. By being consistent. In 1996 Gordon won 10 races and did not win the title. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 17:49:54 GMT -5
Chances of there being more than 16 winners making points matter? Chances of there being less than 16 winners making points matter? More than the chances of there being exactly 16 winners making points not matter. None of that matters with a victory though unless you utterly s*** the bed until Richmond. There is very slim chances of seeing more than sixteen winners. Points won't matter for those with a victory in the case of less than sixteen winners.. because they have the victory. Points aren't going to matter for drivers like Jimmie/Kyle/Matt/etc. who always manage to score 'least one victory. So..surprise.. this new system doesn't make those drivers race each other harder or different.
It changes people's strategy but other than that.. it doesn't change the RACING. You mean changes to the points systems won't effect drivers that win a **** ton or how they race?! Bah gawd Sherlock, you've cracked the code!!! TIL there's 31 other drivers who won't win in the field who are effected. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Mar 9, 2014 17:52:00 GMT -5
None of that matters with a victory though unless you utterly s*** the bed until Richmond. There is very slim chances of seeing more than sixteen winners. Points won't matter for those with a victory in the case of less than sixteen winners.. because they have the victory. Points aren't going to matter for drivers like Jimmie/Kyle/Matt/etc. who always manage to score 'least one victory. So..surprise.. this new system doesn't make those drivers race each other harder or different.
It changes people's strategy but other than that.. it doesn't change the RACING. TIL there's 31 other drivers who won't win in the field who are effected. That's been my entire point because that's what NASCAR has been selling. No reason for the smartass response. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 18:15:40 GMT -5
And you've decided the new Chase is stupid even though we're nowhere close to it because people that win a ****ton will continue to be as they were? Of course NASCAR is gonna sell it as a game changer. What are they supposed to say? "Hey, this new Chase doesn't matter to people that win a lot, but it's cool right?!"
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Post by SodaGuy on Mar 9, 2014 18:33:44 GMT -5
And you've decided the new Chase is stupid even though we're nowhere close to it because people that win a ****ton will continue to be as they were? Of course NASCAR is gonna sell it as a game changer. What are they supposed to say? "Hey, this new Chase doesn't matter to people that win a lot, but it's cool right?!" How about you send a list of everything that I am allowed to form and share an opinion on? That would make this so much easier since everything is always this big freaking deal whenever my opinion comes into play. It's always something and it's completely ridiculous. Geez. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 18:39:28 GMT -5
And you've decided the new Chase is stupid even though we're nowhere close to it because people that win a ****ton will continue to be as they were? Of course NASCAR is gonna sell it as a game changer. What are they supposed to say? "Hey, this new Chase doesn't matter to people that win a lot, but it's cool right?!" How about you send a list of everything that I am allowed to form and share an opinion on? That would make this so much easier since everything is always this big freaking deal whenever my opinion comes into play. It's always something and it's completely ridiculous. Geez. How about you send a list of everything that you are allowed to defend your opinion on? That would make this so much easier since everything is always this big freaking deal whenever defending your opinion comes into play. BetterThanYou might be a boogerface most the time but atleast he tries to defend his stance on what he thinks instead of crying that he can't have an opinion. |
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Post by SodaGuy on Mar 9, 2014 18:44:53 GMT -5
How about you send a list of everything that I am allowed to form and share an opinion on? That would make this so much easier since everything is always this big freaking deal whenever my opinion comes into play. It's always something and it's completely ridiculous. Geez. How about you send a list of everything that you are allowed to defend your opinion on? That would make this so much easier since everything is always this big freaking deal whenever defending your opinion comes into play. BetterThanYou might be a boogerface most the time but atleast he tries to defend his stance on what he thinks instead of crying that he can't have an opinion. You should open your eyes because I did defend my opinion. You're just too busy being a smartass to realize that. I haven't liked the new format and from what I am seeing three races in.. I still don't like the format. I explained why I don't like the format and how it takes away the point of racing for higher positions (more points) because it doesn't matter in the bigger picture. Kevin Harvick didn't care about finishing 41st. Why? Because once you win.. you can have mulligans because you are locked into the chase without an act of God stopping you. There is zero reason to even try to defend an opinion in a discussion with you. Whatever. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 19:38:28 GMT -5
How about you send a list of everything that you are allowed to defend your opinion on? That would make this so much easier since everything is always this big freaking deal whenever defending your opinion comes into play. BetterThanYou might be a boogerface most the time but atleast he tries to defend his stance on what he thinks instead of crying that he can't have an opinion. You should open your eyes because I did defend my opinion. You're just too busy being a smartass to realize that. I haven't liked the new format and from what I am seeing three races in.. I still don't like the format. I explained why I don't like the format and how it takes away the point of racing for higher positions (more points) because it doesn't matter in the bigger picture. Kevin Harvick didn't care about finishing 41st. Why? Because once you win.. you can have mulligans because you are locked into the chase without an act of God stopping you. There is zero reason to even try to defend an opinion in a discussion with you. Whatever. And then I believe I replied with how short sided it is to judge NASCAR for selling it as the next big race changing thing (Big thing or not) and the entire Chase system as stupid because we're only three races in and god knows what could happen between now and Richmond. The 'bigger picture' might not effect guys that are obviously going to get multiple wins and be in the Chase no matter what (which is what everyone wanted, for wins to mean more), but it effects the possibly more than 31 one guys on the track, so focusing your views solely on the select few instead of the greater majority is ignoring the real bigger picture which is all of the guys scrabbling to get into the Chase and the excitement that will bring, and the racing for higher positions that will bring, and that last part has been that way since the Chase started, not with this new version. I don't think anybody would care at this point even if the points were the same, because it's 3 races in and it really doesn't matter at this point anyway, especially when you have a win and are Kevin Harvick to begin with, and even later in the year, like Jimmie last year when he sucked for like 2 months leading into the Chase. If you're that good you're pretty much locked in, no matter what Chase system we're under. Sorry if talking sarcasticly was mean or hurt your poor feelings or whatever, but if you'd read what I'm saying instead of getting your panties in a bunch because AHH HE'S BEING SARCASTIC, HE'S A JACKASS it wouldn't matter in what tone I said it, especially since I'm constantly sarcastic about everything, you'd figure by now everyone would learn to read through that, but apparently it's harder than one would assume. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 9, 2014 19:47:55 GMT -5
All chases are/were stupid. While I hate the current system they could easily fix their "chase" by changing up tracks. You get into "The NASCAR Playoffs" and essentially half or more of the races are the same  ing cookie cutter style. They need to change it up for the last 10 races where you're racing on different types of tracks. Race 1- Bristol Race 2- Sonoma Race 3- Homestead Race 4- Talladega Race 5- Dover Race 6- Pocono Race 7- Martinsville Race 8- Richmond Race 9- Atlanta (Backwards)....yes thats right, cars making a RIGHT turn...if you're truly the best of the best, you should be able to do this Race 10- Charlotte (Finale @ the home of NASCAR) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 20:52:41 GMT -5
All chases are/were stupid. While I hate the current system they could easily fix their "chase" by changing up tracks. You get into "The NASCAR Playoffs" and essentially half or more of the races are the same ing cookie cutter style. They need to change it up for the last 10 races where you're racing on different types of tracks. Race 1- Bristol Race 2- Sonoma Race 3- Homestead Race 4- Talladega Race 5- Dover Race 6- Pocono Race 7- Martinsville Race 8- Richmond Race 9- Atlanta (Backwards)....yes thats right, cars making a RIGHT turn...if you're truly the best of the best, you should be able to do this Race 10- Charlotte (Finale @ the home of NASCAR) I'm all for changing the tracks up a bit. 3 1.5-, 3 1.5, 3 1.5+, 1 road course. I think that's the best way to even it up. I'd be hesitant on changing Homestead as the season finale. It's just such a tradition now and gives what is a pretty alright/good track a bump to being good/pretty good, though I do like Sodie Pop Guy's idea (I think this was your idea, correct me if I'm wrong) of making it Atlanta again, not backwards though, that's pretty silly. I wouldn't add Pocono though, that track sucks pretty hard. I'd also keep Richmond as the Regular Season Finale, always a fun race. |
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Post by Nivro™ on Mar 9, 2014 20:56:17 GMT -5
All chases are/were stupid. While I hate the current system they could easily fix their "chase" by changing up tracks. You get into "The NASCAR Playoffs" and essentially half or more of the races are the same ing cookie cutter style. They need to change it up for the last 10 races where you're racing on different types of tracks. Race 1- Bristol Race 2- Sonoma Race 3- Homestead Race 4- Talladega Race 5- Dover Race 6- Pocono Race 7- Martinsville Race 8- Richmond Race 9- Atlanta (Backwards)....yes thats right, cars making a RIGHT turn...if you're truly the best of the best, you should be able to do this Race 10- Charlotte (Finale @ the home of NASCAR) I'm all for changing the tracks up a bit. 3 1.5-, 3 1.5, 3 1.5+, 1 road course. I think that's the best way to even it up. I'd be hesitant on changing Homestead as the season finale. It's just such a tradition now and gives what is a pretty alright/good track a bump to being good/pretty good, though I do like Sodie Pop Guy's idea (I think this was your idea, correct me if I'm wrong) of making it Atlanta again, not backwards though, that's pretty silly. I wouldn't add Pocono though, that track sucks pretty hard. I'd also keep Richmond as the Regular Season Finale, always a fun race. I hate Pocono as well but its "different" come setup and race wise. Running backwards would be different but ya gotta think, making a right turn would be fun to watch |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 21:00:46 GMT -5
I'm all for changing the tracks up a bit. 3 1.5-, 3 1.5, 3 1.5+, 1 road course. I think that's the best way to even it up. I'd be hesitant on changing Homestead as the season finale. It's just such a tradition now and gives what is a pretty alright/good track a bump to being good/pretty good, though I do like Sodie Pop Guy's idea (I think this was your idea, correct me if I'm wrong) of making it Atlanta again, not backwards though, that's pretty silly. I wouldn't add Pocono though, that track sucks pretty hard. I'd also keep Richmond as the Regular Season Finale, always a fun race. I hate Pocono as well but its "different" come setup and race wise. Running backwards would be different but ya gotta think, making a right turn would be fun to watch Oh yeah, it would be entertaining as , but the Chase is a big enough gimmick as it is, no need to add even more gimmicks on top of it, you know what I mean. I hope someday Bill France does a lot of blow and has an exhibition race going the wrong way. I bet that would pop a good rating and would explode Twitter's traditionalists. I get you on Pocono, but I'd still be hesitant on putting such a sucky track in the Chase. Maybe the Chase environment would do it some favors but idk. |
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