Pondering mindlessness. The "point" of wrestling.

How many times do I have to tell you & everyone else that I never said the medium or any medium is inherently refined or low brow? That's a non-sequitur. An illogical statement.

The scientific style of wrestling is irrefutably thoughtful, but that doesn't make stories designed to achieve universality the same. I never denied that, but you're obsession with acting as though it cannot be what it was to start with shows you don't know your history.

Secondly, where do you get off with this close-minded view that history doesn't matter?

You wouldn't have any of this or us to mock, if it weren't for Lewis being an ingenius business man. Wrestling was left for dead in the second decade of the 20th century, & only saved by the efforts of Lewis' promotional group. Among whom was Tootz Mondt who helped a certain Jess McMahon begin working wrestling events as a certain Garden on Madison Square.

My knowledge of it's history does make my observation mean something of value. And yes. It is considered that to an overwhelming majority, but can you tell me why this is so & recognize that this was not always the case?

Here's the thing that makes no sense.
We both know any creative outlet can be used to convey stories of varying complexities, but this doesn't explain why you act as if it's ridiculous to think such storylines couldn't be such things or that it's wrong to find deeper meaning in the passion portrayed in the simple stories.

That's what it boils down to. A passion play that embodies the mindset forged in Greek Mythology.
The paradox that drives us to risk it all for immortality.

I don't care if it's John Cena vs Michaels or Lewis vs Sonnenberg. That concept reigns true as an overtone for even the most cut & dry main events.

Here's our problem. I speak poetically out of my appreciation. This is easily mistaken for an attempt to justify the business' stupid antics, which was never the case. My advocacy of Wrestling's capacity to tell beautiful stories is based on it's roots in Greek Mythology.

Pro Wrestling comes from Catch as Catch Can, CACC is derived from Pankration & the ancestor of modern Greco-Roman. The first Olympic Games were inspired by the legend of Heracles. A literal attempt to be God-Like.
To be immortal. No matter how much dumb tv trash Vince MchMahon throws at the uneducated bystanders, he'll never sever Pro Wrestling from it's ancient roots.

I will never think you are wrong to acknowledge the less than respectable sides of sports entertainment. However, your attempts to demonize me for recognizing the value of history & appreciate the men who give their all to preserve wrestling are pointless.

There is no sense in demonizing someone who wants to see wrestling create beautiful things. That spectrum spans from making Children laugh & full of hope to bringing out the child in us all with great clashes between two men who wage war for solely for sport's sake with a great show of respect as the closer.

You act as though I'm trying to limit Wrestling's capacity to tell stories, when you're the pot calling the silverware black.

And just to clarify. My opinion means nothing for it DOES NOT EXIST. I don't want a biased viewpoint.
I want logical observations regardless of my desired outcome. No opinions matter. There's a difference between opinions of logical/factual observations.

The second is the one that should be respected.
I don't have an opinion of anything outside of things where pure preference is sensible like food or the music I use to help me sleep. Trying to figure out a cultural phenomenon like Pro Wrestling requires various methods of logical deduction.

You're acting like a Christian to a certain extent.
You've based your opinions solely on personal experience with no desire to even consider that your perspective is near-sighted.

You have no reason to think I'm bad or a troll for trying to add more to these foresaken boards than dirtsheet rumors & petty arguments where everyone goes in KNOWING you can't determine a superior opinion among biased perspectives.

You want to make a point, compare facts & viable evidence. I don't care what you think of wrestling, only why you think it. Are you defining the entire 130 year history of Pro Wrestling dating back to Farmer Burns without understanding every significant person, match, moment, & movement in it's entirety?

If so, then your perspective will only be viable in spite of your basis. Like a math problem where you find the right answer by accident.

We've already established that simple stories aren't necessarily stupid, & that complicated can be a negative, but what's the point of this unless we arrive at the conclusion by accident?

I don't have a crusade of one answer being all there is.
I have an obsession with exploring this ritual that millions of people declare love for due to an near equal number of reasons. This infatuates me to the point that I forget to proof read. I apologize for that.

I won't apologize however, for pondering these questions.

First off, the foundation of pro wrestling changed in the 90s when Vince revealed that "wrestling is fake". He abandoned the "matches that are undistinguishable from the real thing" because the fans were getting smarter thanks to the insider info in magazines and on the internet. He changed the WWE (and therefore the entire industry) from "pro wrestling" to "sports entertainment" and thus changed part of the criteria you established in going back to a time before that statement was made by Vince. It is now a soap opera for men.

Fans who want to see real competition should be watching MMA or boxing.

Pro wrestling is entertainment only. That means the stories have to be better written and better acted than before. The matches have to include more entertaining elements like the high flying, off the top rope moves and hardcore tables/ladders/chairs elements. Its only as good as the talent who are acting it out. That talent both on screen (wrestlers) and behind the scenes (writers/bookers) varies over the years which leads to good times and bad times. I watch because even in so called bad times there are still stars who shine. I can always switch the channel, take a bathroom break, or read a book if whats on doesn't interest me. I also watch to keep an eye on the up and comers who may lead the next big upward swing in wrestling's popularity.

We're welcome.

We're welcomed for being ing doomed because some dude with an internet thesaurus thinks he's some neat originator?!

I bet his keyboard is a typewriter and he thinks he's just the ****. Or as he would say it:

"I myself lay a wager that thy typeset subsists in the way of a classical yet operative typewriter, thou consequently thou reflects onto thouself as emphatically thy fecal excrement."

It'd be nice if there were more opinions on the J.R. quote and not people bashing the OP. Seriously, I'd actually like to know what a couple more people think of this

I'd love to comment on whatever we're supposed to be commenting on, but I legitimately have no friggin idea what anything meant in his post nor got what I was supposed to form an opinion about.

Maybe if OP could speak like a normal human being for 5 seconds more people would be able to form an opinion and not stare dumbfounded at the screen.

I haven't originated anything. I just want the men whose shoulders we stand on to be respected.

My "keyboard" is actually a hand me down mobile device.
I do own an 80s plug-in typewriter. I like the look of the 19th century ones, but there's a reason we don't use them anymore.

You must not read my posts, because I think Shakespeare is over rated. My favorite writers are Friedrich Nietszche, Allen Gibsberg, The author of BABAR, Walt Whitman, Charles Bukowski, Sylvia Plath & Shane Koyzcan to summarize.

Dude I actually understood that. We're getting somewhere!

Plus you said crotch in an earlier post and I can respect that.