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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Mar 28, 2014 23:22:26 GMT -5
Part time is part time. He bitched about The Rock working a couple days a year and getting a big WM match. Yet....didnt with UT, Batista, Brock or Jericho. No difference. I think he is wrong. I wish that each superstar can negotiate the very best deal for himself or herself. Dont be a hater. Punk WISHES he had that schedule. I think I realize EXACTLY what kind of pain these guys are in, better than most. I got friends who have ravaged their bodies for this business. And yes...pain killers are a staple in pro wrestling. If Punk chooses not to take them....thats his choice. But he knows what this business requires and he knows what kind of performance he wants to put on. If your convictions/beliefs/religion....whatever, doesnt allow you....then this business is not for you. I wanted to be a pro wrestler since I was young. But with 2 herniated discs and doctors recommending back surgery.....I knew that was not a realistic option for me. Punk chooses not to take pain killers. Perhaps he needs to reconsider his line of work or that choice. The message he is conveying has NOTHING to do with mental and physical well being. This is not a guy that is injured. This is a guy who is hurt. Hurt like everyone else on the road. What he is conveying is a message of selfishness. If he was so badly beaten, he could have gone to Vince and gotten time off. Vince has been VERY good with that in recent years. Get through Mania, take a month or 2 off and let your body heal. He didnt. He walked the out. The man is a fantastic performer. But being a fantastic performer does NOT excuse being a pompous, selfish jerk. He screwed over his company, his fans and himself. None of the the names mentioned were main eventing the biggest PPV of the year. Taker literally can't go much more than what he is doing and has put in almost 30 years. Jericho and Batista, while wrestling lighter schedules, are still at the least putting 1/2 of the time the full-timers are. Brock simply stated his actual reasons for being here. Rock said he would never leave again, yet here we are almost a year after his last appearance. Yes the others do also live in pain, but the others are usually taking pain relievers and which will take stress off of them. Being straight edge prevents Punk from doing that. While Punk might not be physically injured but hurt is hurt. He has been lackluster in ring and on the mic since the Ryback feud. Remember that Knee injury from about a year ago that he only took about a month away from competition for? How do you know that didn't catch up to him? You want to know what is really selfish? Placing your entertainment wants over someone else's physical and mental well being. If this were something he does all the time, I might be inclined to agree, but this is, what, the second time he has actually taken time off since he signed with WWE? If you noticed, a side from RVD, every wrestler to talk about this has said Punk should do what is best for Punk. For all we know Punk is on the edge over going batsh*t crazy or even had a mental breakdown. You should be happy he gave you something to enjoy instead sitting there criticizing him because you don't like that he has problems like everyone else. UT/Punk was one of the main events last year. People who crap on The Rock not being there.....just dont get it and seemingly never will. Let me state it again.....Rock is an actor. Rock is not a full time WWE performer. He did that. When Rock was gone for all those years....he was gone, gone. He was not under the WWE umbrella. Rock is now back with WWE, but not a full time performer. He is there as part time performer. Its an opportunity for him to give back to Vince, to WWE and to the fans. Its gives him an opportunity to market his movies, which mostly are geared towards a good portion of the wrestling crowd, and it gives him a chance to come back to be an ambassador to WWE....the company that he recognizes launched The Rock brand. I am horrified that people believed he was gonna be on Raw each week after he gave that speech. How one could not recognize what he meant is beyond conception? He is a full time actor, who in 2013 was the highest grossing actor in all of Hollywood. Why would he leave that to come back a pittance in WWE? To be ruled under the WWE thumb? Its quite possible that Rock's base salary for his 2013 movies was larger than the base salary of the entire WWE roster combined. Dont quote me on it....but I wouldnt be shocked. Being straight edge prevents him from taking pain killers? No problem. Like I said...perhaps he needs to reconsider his straight edge lifestyle.....OR reconsider his line of work. He knew the dangers and rigors of the road. He also knew he didnt take pain killers. If the guy cant do it anymore, I completely and 100% understand. Thank you putting on 5 star matches for the time you were there. Tell Vince you cant do it anymore and retire. Or finish out your contract and walk away. Whatever. But thats not what he did. As far as not knowing the extent of his pain.....ask yourself honestly......if Punk won the RR and was main eventing WM against Orton for the Title, would he have walked out of WWE? You cannot honestly answer that he would. You KNOW he would suck it up and goto WM. And THATS how I know he isnt injured. THATS how I know he made the selfish choice and walked out on WWE. This isnt about his physical and metal well being. That is an excuse you are trying to sell. This is about his unhappiness with the direction of the company. And I am with him 100%. I am damn unhappy too. I dont blame him for wanting to leave. Key word is WANTING. His contract expires soon. Finish your dates....walk away. No problem. It was good enough for you to sign.....you shouldnt have signed such a long term deal. There is a risk in that. Just as there is a risk for WWE to sign you to a long term deal. I am only being critical for how he handled this and not for his feelings, his pain or his desire to get away. But there is a right way to handle it and a wrong way to handle it. He chose the wrong way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 23:32:06 GMT -5
King Bálor (CM)™ honestly he woul take stupid unnecessary bumps from Ryback when it was reported he as wrestling injured since his return at payback! CM Pibk puts his body on the line in every match and it's catching up with him. You want him to just go out there and further injur himself?
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Mar 28, 2014 23:44:59 GMT -5
None of the the names mentioned were main eventing the biggest PPV of the year. Taker literally can't go much more than what he is doing and has put in almost 30 years. Jericho and Batista, while wrestling lighter schedules, are still at the least putting 1/2 of the time the full-timers are. Brock simply stated his actual reasons for being here. Rock said he would never leave again, yet here we are almost a year after his last appearance. Yes the others do also live in pain, but the others are usually taking pain relievers and which will take stress off of them. Being straight edge prevents Punk from doing that. While Punk might not be physically injured but hurt is hurt. He has been lackluster in ring and on the mic since the Ryback feud. Remember that Knee injury from about a year ago that he only took about a month away from competition for? How do you know that didn't catch up to him? You want to know what is really selfish? Placing your entertainment wants over someone else's physical and mental well being. If this were something he does all the time, I might be inclined to agree, but this is, what, the second time he has actually taken time off since he signed with WWE? If you noticed, a side from RVD, every wrestler to talk about this has said Punk should do what is best for Punk. For all we know Punk is on the edge over going batsh*t crazy or even had a mental breakdown. You should be happy he gave you something to enjoy instead sitting there criticizing him because you don't like that he has problems like everyone else. UT/Punk was one of the main events last year. People who crap on The Rock not being there.....just dont get it and seemingly never will. Let me state it again.....Rock is an actor. Rock is not a full time WWE performer. He did that. When Rock was gone for all those years....he was gone, gone. He was not under the WWE umbrella. Rock is now back with WWE, but not a full time performer. He is there as part time performer. Its an opportunity for him to give back to Vince, to WWE and to the fans. Its gives him an opportunity to market his movies, which mostly are geared towards a good portion of the wrestling crowd, and it gives him a chance to come back to be an ambassador to WWE....the company that he recognizes launched The Rock brand. I am horrified that people believed he was gonna be on Raw each week after he gave that speech. How one could not recognize what he meant is beyond conception? He is a full time actor, who in 2013 was the highest grossing actor in all of Hollywood. Why would he leave that to come back a pittance in WWE? To be ruled under the WWE thumb? Its quite possible that Rock's base salary for his 2013 movies was larger than the base salary of the entire WWE roster combined. Dont quote me on it....but I wouldnt be shocked. Being straight edge prevents him from taking pain killers? No problem. Like I said...perhaps he needs to reconsider his straight edge lifestyle.....OR reconsider his line of work. He knew the dangers and rigors of the road. He also knew he didnt take pain killers. If the guy cant do it anymore, I completely and 100% understand. Thank you putting on 5 star matches for the time you were there. Tell Vince you cant do it anymore and retire. Or finish out your contract and walk away. Whatever. But thats not what he did. As far as not knowing the extent of his pain.....ask yourself honestly......if Punk won the RR and was main eventing WM against Orton for the Title, would he have walked out of WWE? You cannot honestly answer that he would. You KNOW he would suck it up and goto WM. And THATS how I know he isnt injured. THATS how I know he made the selfish choice and walked out on WWE. This isnt about his physical and metal well being. That is an excuse you are trying to sell. This is about his unhappiness with the direction of the company. And I am with him 100%. I am damn unhappy too. I dont blame him for wanting to leave. Key word is WANTING. His contract expires soon. Finish your dates....walk away. No problem. It was good enough for you to sign.....you shouldnt have signed such a long term deal. There is a risk in that. Just as there is a risk for WWE to sign you to a long term deal. I am only being critical for how he handled this and not for his feelings, his pain or his desire to get away. But there is a right way to handle it and a wrong way to handle it. He chose the wrong way. Again, maybe if Rock didn't lie about never leaving again every time he shows up, maybe I wouldn't mind. While he could abandon his lifestyle, he could also receive enough time to heal from injuries. You don't know that at all. He came out on the Talking Dead a lot more lively than he has since the Summer of Punk. None of us know how he actually handled this. He started showing he was unhappy with his a performance and place in the company during the feud with the Shield. This could of been an on going thing where he wanted time off but wasn't being granted it and he finally had enough.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 23:48:48 GMT -5
CM Punk is gone he had to leave like a child im glad he is gone I hope he never steps foot in a WWE ring again.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 0:28:14 GMT -5
At this point I'm just like, who the hell am I to judge?
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Mar 29, 2014 0:36:59 GMT -5
King Bálor (CM)™ honestly he woul take stupid unnecessary bumps from Ryback when it was reported he as wrestling injured since his return at payback! CM Pibk puts his body on the line in every match and it's catching up with him. You want him to just go out there and further injur himself? You need to understand the difference between injured and hurt. They are ALL hurt. UT/Punk was one of the main events last year. People who crap on The Rock not being there.....just dont get it and seemingly never will. Let me state it again.....Rock is an actor. Rock is not a full time WWE performer. He did that. When Rock was gone for all those years....he was gone, gone. He was not under the WWE umbrella. Rock is now back with WWE, but not a full time performer. He is there as part time performer. Its an opportunity for him to give back to Vince, to WWE and to the fans. Its gives him an opportunity to market his movies, which mostly are geared towards a good portion of the wrestling crowd, and it gives him a chance to come back to be an ambassador to WWE....the company that he recognizes launched The Rock brand. I am horrified that people believed he was gonna be on Raw each week after he gave that speech. How one could not recognize what he meant is beyond conception? He is a full time actor, who in 2013 was the highest grossing actor in all of Hollywood. Why would he leave that to come back a pittance in WWE? To be ruled under the WWE thumb? Its quite possible that Rock's base salary for his 2013 movies was larger than the base salary of the entire WWE roster combined. Dont quote me on it....but I wouldnt be shocked. Being straight edge prevents him from taking pain killers? No problem. Like I said...perhaps he needs to reconsider his straight edge lifestyle.....OR reconsider his line of work. He knew the dangers and rigors of the road. He also knew he didnt take pain killers. If the guy cant do it anymore, I completely and 100% understand. Thank you putting on 5 star matches for the time you were there. Tell Vince you cant do it anymore and retire. Or finish out your contract and walk away. Whatever. But thats not what he did. As far as not knowing the extent of his pain.....ask yourself honestly......if Punk won the RR and was main eventing WM against Orton for the Title, would he have walked out of WWE? You cannot honestly answer that he would. You KNOW he would suck it up and goto WM. And THATS how I know he isnt injured. THATS how I know he made the selfish choice and walked out on WWE. This isnt about his physical and metal well being. That is an excuse you are trying to sell. This is about his unhappiness with the direction of the company. And I am with him 100%. I am damn unhappy too. I dont blame him for wanting to leave. Key word is WANTING. His contract expires soon. Finish your dates....walk away. No problem. It was good enough for you to sign.....you shouldnt have signed such a long term deal. There is a risk in that. Just as there is a risk for WWE to sign you to a long term deal. I am only being critical for how he handled this and not for his feelings, his pain or his desire to get away. But there is a right way to handle it and a wrong way to handle it. He chose the wrong way. Again, maybe if Rock didn't lie about never leaving again every time he shows up, maybe I wouldn't mind. While he could abandon his lifestyle, he could also receive enough time to heal from injuries. You don't know that at all. He came out on the Talking Dead a lot more lively than he has since the Summer of Punk. None of us know how he actually handled this. He started showing he was unhappy with his a performance and place in the company during the feud with the Shield. This could of been an on going thing where he wanted time off but wasn't being granted it and he finally had enough. I am done discussing Rock/leaving. I am stunned you thought he was gonna be on Raw every week. If everyone was taking time off cuz they were hurt, there would be no show. I dont know what? We know he violated his contract. I asked you to ask yourself a question and answer honestly. Where is your reply to that?
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Post by el torro on Mar 29, 2014 0:58:02 GMT -5
None of the the names mentioned were main eventing the biggest PPV of the year. Taker literally can't go much more than what he is doing and has put in almost 30 years. Jericho and Batista, while wrestling lighter schedules, are still at the least putting 1/2 of the time the full-timers are. Brock simply stated his actual reasons for being here. Rock said he would never leave again, yet here we are almost a year after his last appearance. Yes the others do also live in pain, but the others are usually taking pain relievers and which will take stress off of them. Being straight edge prevents Punk from doing that. While Punk might not be physically injured but hurt is hurt. He has been lackluster in ring and on the mic since the Ryback feud. Remember that Knee injury from about a year ago that he only took about a month away from competition for? How do you know that didn't catch up to him? You want to know what is really selfish? Placing your entertainment wants over someone else's physical and mental well being. If this were something he does all the time, I might be inclined to agree, but this is, what, the second time he has actually taken time off since he signed with WWE? If you noticed, a side from RVD, every wrestler to talk about this has said Punk should do what is best for Punk. For all we know Punk is on the edge over going batsh*t crazy or even had a mental breakdown. You should be happy he gave you something to enjoy instead sitting there criticizing him because you don't like that he has problems like everyone else. UT/Punk was one of the main events last year. People who crap on The Rock not being there.....just dont get it and seemingly never will. Let me state it again.....Rock is an actor. Rock is not a full time WWE performer. He did that. When Rock was gone for all those years....he was gone, gone. He was not under the WWE umbrella. Rock is now back with WWE, but not a full time performer. He is there as part time performer. Its an opportunity for him to give back to Vince, to WWE and to the fans. Its gives him an opportunity to market his movies, which mostly are geared towards a good portion of the wrestling crowd, and it gives him a chance to come back to be an ambassador to WWE....the company that he recognizes launched The Rock brand. I am horrified that people believed he was gonna be on Raw each week after he gave that speech. How one could not recognize what he meant is beyond conception? He is a full time actor, who in 2013 was the highest grossing actor in all of Hollywood. Why would he leave that to come back a pittance in WWE? To be ruled under the WWE thumb? Its quite possible that Rock's base salary for his 2013 movies was larger than the base salary of the entire WWE roster combined. Dont quote me on it....but I wouldnt be shocked. Being straight edge prevents him from taking pain killers? No problem. Like I said...perhaps he needs to reconsider his straight edge lifestyle.....OR reconsider his line of work. He knew the dangers and rigors of the road. He also knew he didnt take pain killers. If the guy cant do it anymore, I completely and 100% understand. Thank you putting on 5 star matches for the time you were there. Tell Vince you cant do it anymore and retire. Or finish out your contract and walk away. Whatever. But thats not what he did. As far as not knowing the extent of his pain.....ask yourself honestly......if Punk won the RR and was main eventing WM against Orton for the Title, would he have walked out of WWE? You cannot honestly answer that he would. You KNOW he would suck it up and goto WM. And THATS how I know he isnt injured. THATS how I know he made the selfish choice and walked out on WWE. This isnt about his physical and metal well being. That is an excuse you are trying to sell. This is about his unhappiness with the direction of the company. And I am with him 100%. I am damn unhappy too. I dont blame him for wanting to leave. Key word is WANTING. His contract expires soon. Finish your dates....walk away. No problem. It was good enough for you to sign.....you shouldnt have signed such a long term deal. There is a risk in that. Just as there is a risk for WWE to sign you to a long term deal. I am only being critical for how he handled this and not for his feelings, his pain or his desire to get away. But there is a right way to handle it and a wrong way to handle it. He chose the wrong way. I didn't know you spoke for the man. Or that you clearly know the 'reason'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 1:09:06 GMT -5
King Bálor (CM)™ honestly he woul take stupid unnecessary bumps from Ryback when it was reported he as wrestling injured since his return at payback! CM Pibk puts his body on the line in every match and it's catching up with him. You want him to just go out there and further injur himself? You need to understand the difference between injured and hurt. They are ALL hurt. Again, maybe if Rock didn't lie about never leaving again every time he shows up, maybe I wouldn't mind. While he could abandon his lifestyle, he could also receive enough time to heal from injuries. You don't know that at all. He came out on the Talking Dead a lot more lively than he has since the Summer of Punk. None of us know how he actually handled this. He started showing he was unhappy with his a performance and place in the company during the feud with the Shield. This could of been an on going thing where he wanted time off but wasn't being granted it and he finally had enough. I am done discussing Rock/leaving. I am stunned you thought he was gonna be on Raw every week. If everyone was taking time off cuz they were hurt, there would be no show. I dont know what? We know he violated his contract. I asked you to ask yourself a question and answer honestly. Where is your reply to that? CM Punk does crazy moves man and takes spots needed idk he's just old school
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Post by marino13 on Mar 29, 2014 8:04:31 GMT -5
So if Punk doesn't feel he can go, maybe this whole thing has just been blown out of proportion? Maybe he was granted his time away? Would love to have seen Triple H vs Punk though. There ya go. I always kind of liked that match. Problem was the booking was all off cause of Nash not passing the physical. I would still have enjoyed this WM match with a proper build up, and a little less interference.
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Post by dixol on Mar 29, 2014 9:15:08 GMT -5
Meanwhile, the bumps had caught up with him, he was said to be in great pain each time he used the Randy Savage elbow drop. Just imagine how Macho felt after doing it every night for 20+ years.
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Post by MattelsRule on Mar 29, 2014 11:13:12 GMT -5
Hey guys. I just want to throw my two cents in here.
I'm a Punk fan - I was there in Chicago when he won the title from Cena at MITB. I have supported Punk for years in the WWE and I find him to be one of the best characters the WWE has ever had from an in ring and promo perspective.
However, I'm past the point of really caring about what his reason is. One of the things that's really not touched on enough in this whole situation is the fact that he left the fans directly after a show that many fans were disgusted by. CM Punk knows the hardcore fans were pissed. He knows the hardcore fans love him. He leaves the company the very next day after WWE fans basically mourned the future of the company.
He left right before Wrestle fn Mania. I paid good money to go see all my favorite superstars - Punk being one of the biggest ones I couldn't wait to see on the grandest stage of them all. I understand he has his issues but he up and walked out during such a key time for him to be available. That is not just a slap in the face of the company he worked for like some of you think it is. He selfishly walked out on the fans. At this point, fuxk his explanation.
I'm always gonna love his work and I will be happy to see him back one day but if you aren't even slightly annoyed or bitter about when and how he left, you need to reconsider.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 11:38:27 GMT -5
just another in a long line of "reports"...but if this is true boy what an bunghole. he's hurting, and he doesn't feel like he is giving his best effort so he wants a break. man, real self centered douche there and you know....if the other half is true, put it this way....if you worked harder than you ever have in your life at your current job to try and achieve your goals, and you realized that the chances of you actually getting those goals are very slim, wouldn't YOU be frustrated too? So add that to him being hurt and feeling like his performances are suffering. oh but thats right, he left so him.
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Post by @Sweetbob on Mar 29, 2014 11:39:02 GMT -5
Punk has a Derek Jeter-like string of Divas under his belt...I would be tired after that streak too.
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Post by CMPUNKISGOOD on Mar 29, 2014 11:41:32 GMT -5
He will be back. He is burned out he needs time to rest then come back better than ever
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Mar 29, 2014 13:25:14 GMT -5
King Bálor (CM)™ honestly he woul take stupid unnecessary bumps from Ryback when it was reported he as wrestling injured since his return at payback! CM Pibk puts his body on the line in every match and it's catching up with him. You want him to just go out there and further injur himself? You need to understand the difference between injured and hurt. They are ALL hurt. Again, maybe if Rock didn't lie about never leaving again every time he shows up, maybe I wouldn't mind. While he could abandon his lifestyle, he could also receive enough time to heal from injuries. You don't know that at all. He came out on the Talking Dead a lot more lively than he has since the Summer of Punk. None of us know how he actually handled this. He started showing he was unhappy with his a performance and place in the company during the feud with the Shield. This could of been an on going thing where he wanted time off but wasn't being granted it and he finally had enough. I am done discussing Rock/leaving. I am stunned you thought he was gonna be on Raw every week. If everyone was taking time off cuz they were hurt, there would be no show. I dont know what? We know he violated his contract. I asked you to ask yourself a question and answer honestly. Where is your reply to that? I didn't expect Rock to be on every RAW, I didn't expect him to leave his full-time job in Hollywood, but I did expected to see him more than once every 6-12 months. That isn't never leaving again in the slightest. Aside from Rock, none of the part-time guys are headlining the two biggest PPV's of the year (Royal Rumble and WrestleMania), sorry for not clearing that up earlier. And either way, aside from Taker, every other part time guy made many more appearances and wrestled more than Rock since returning. No there wouldn't be a show, but if he is/was hurting bad enough that his performance was a shell of what it was a few months before, I would rather he take the time off. Punk obviously didn't take enough time off after WM 29 as was still staying out of competition for a week every month or two. In December he had torn his meniscus which required surgery, you are supposed to take at least 4-8 weeks of not putting any weight on your leg, he returned to action in 5 weeks. Since he was champ and Ryback was guaranteed a rematch, he had to come back early which would put more strain on his knee. He looked better when he returned at Payback, but he still didn't look healthy and he had shown that with him constantly wrapping his knees every 1-3 weeks. Constant pain with no relief will also damage you mentally and again, how do we know Punk didn't have some sort of nervous breakdown? You don't know how he was going to react to the getting a main event slot for WM XXX, but it also didn't look like that was going to happen either after the Royal Rumble. He was seemingly going to be pitted against Corporate Kane and if not, the spot he left is going to be used to make Daniel Bryan legitimately one of the top guys in the company and a star in his own right, to which if IRCC you thought they were already or were going to bury not too long ago. Punk has stated he wants to go down in the panels of history as the Best in the World so why leave right before the biggest show of the year if something isn't just eating away at him? If he is being so unprofessional about it, why hasn't he made a public statement? If he is being so unprofessional why have none of the superstars (a side from RVD) started bashing him? Guys burn out and this time Punk seemingly couldn't wait until after WrestleMania for a break this time.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Mar 29, 2014 13:33:28 GMT -5
They clearly called him back to action way too soon after mania last year. They brought him back simply because Payback was in Chicago and it showed from the second he came back. If he wasn't in there with Brock, Jericho, Shield, Wyatts his entire run from Payback-RR would be forgettable.
Let him stay home and come back next year or even 2016. Punk is worth money and he knows it. This time off weather it is justified or not will only help him and his name value. He's not Batista when (not if, it is when) he comes back everyone will go nuts. He could easily pull an HBK and be better then ever thanks to some time away.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Mar 29, 2014 14:55:03 GMT -5
You need to understand the difference between injured and hurt. They are ALL hurt. I am done discussing Rock/leaving. I am stunned you thought he was gonna be on Raw every week. If everyone was taking time off cuz they were hurt, there would be no show. I dont know what? We know he violated his contract. I asked you to ask yourself a question and answer honestly. Where is your reply to that? I didn't expect Rock to be on every RAW, I didn't expect him to leave his full-time job in Hollywood, but I did expected to see him more than once every 6-12 months. That isn't never leaving again in the slightest. Aside from Rock, none of the part-time guys are headlining the two biggest PPV's of the year (Royal Rumble and WrestleMania), sorry for not clearing that up earlier. And either way, aside from Taker, every other part time guy made many more appearances and wrestled more than Rock since returning. No there wouldn't be a show, but if he is/was hurting bad enough that his performance was a shell of what it was a few months before, I would rather he take the time off. Punk obviously didn't take enough time off after WM 29 as was still staying out of competition for a week every month or two. In December he had torn his meniscus which required surgery, you are supposed to take at least 4-8 weeks of not putting any weight on your leg, he returned to action in 5 weeks. Since he was champ and Ryback was guaranteed a rematch, he had to come back early which would put more strain on his knee. He looked better when he returned at Payback, but he still didn't look healthy and he had shown that with him constantly wrapping his knees every 1-3 weeks. Constant pain with no relief will also damage you mentally and again, how do we know Punk didn't have some sort of nervous breakdown? You don't know how he was going to react to the getting a main event slot for WM XXX, but it also didn't look like that was going to happen either after the Royal Rumble. He was seemingly going to be pitted against Corporate Kane and if not, the spot he left is going to be used to make Daniel Bryan legitimately one of the top guys in the company and a star in his own right, to which if IRCC you thought they were already or were going to bury not too long ago. Punk has stated he wants to go down in the panels of history as the Best in the World so why leave right before the biggest show of the year if something isn't just eating away at him? If he is being so unprofessional about it, why hasn't he made a public statement? If he is being so unprofessional why have none of the superstars (a side from RVD) started bashing him? Guys burn out and this time Punk seemingly couldn't wait until after WrestleMania for a break this time. Do you not understand how much time and preparation goes into a movie? Some of Rock's films are like 3 months of prep and 4-5 months of filming. Thats 7-8 months and then you have promotional work. Rock is putting out how many movies a year? Not to mention reshoots. How exactly is he gonna be showing up more often? I dont care how many part time guys have wrestled more or made more appearances than Rock. Each person negotiated their own deal. If they want a Rock schedule then negotiate that. If you want a longer schedule....then do so. But dont hate cuz Rock was a better negotiator. In addition, Rock is a MUCH bigger draw than ANY of those part time names combined. Every Raw and Smackdown Rock appeared on last year was SOLD OUT. All this talk about pain and injury is nothing more than a bunch of ing excuses. WWE doesnt allowed injured wrestlers to compete. Christian wasnt allowed on Main Event this past week cuz of a concussion. If Punk was that bad....he wouldnt need to take time off, WWE would send him home. I find it quite sad how people are grasping at any straw they can to try and cast some of this deserved resentment towards Punk. You can love him as performer and respect his work, without having to have delusions of grandeur concerning why he left. Maybe the next dirsheet report will report a close family member died and you will cling to that as an excuse. You still refuse to answer my question honestly. And thats fine. Your refusal tells all. You know as well as I do, if he had won the RR and was main eventing WM for the World Title.....he would be there today. And THAT debunks the injury/pain story you have clinged too. Punk can want to go down as the best all he wants.....but he isnt going be. A lot of it isnt even his fault. He is just in the wrong era. Being the biggest star of this era is like being the smartest intellectually- disabled kid in room full of intellectually- disabled kids. He left before WM to take a harder line and send a stronger message. No bigger and better time. While many people are burying grudges at WM time....Punk is pushing his hard. The WM bonus is a sizable portion of the money he will make for the year. He is leaving a lot of money on the table by taking this stance right now. To answer your questions.....he isnt making public statements because of 2 reasons. One, Punk is naturally introverted. Interviews, going on twitter, etc. are just not the way he is going to handle his personal affairs cuz he doesnt believe its any of our business. Second, for legal reasons. Punk is already in a lot of hot water with his breach of contract. What happens to him legally is in the hands of WWE. You dont want to antagonize Vince. Doing shoot interviews, ranting on twitter, etc. is only gonna do just that. Why would none of the other superstars bashed him? Really?! First they are his co workers and they know, like we know....they will be working with him again someday. Second, I am sure WWE has told everyone to not speak any details concerning the situation and that its internal matter. Meet every single media question with general answers and reveal nothing. Third, there are a lot of guys who agree with his frustration and feel it the same. While, they would never be so unprofessional....they hope that perhaps that Punk's tirade might make some changes in the structure and they can benefit from it. And lastly, I am sure Punk has made quite a few friends there. Even if they dont agree with his tactics, they arent gonna bash their friend. Friends dont do that to one another. You dont bury your friend, no matter how selfish and unprofessional their actions are. You support them the best you can.
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Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD
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Post by Dr. Mantis Toboggan MD on Mar 29, 2014 15:44:15 GMT -5
I didn't expect Rock to be on every RAW, I didn't expect him to leave his full-time job in Hollywood, but I did expected to see him more than once every 6-12 months. That isn't never leaving again in the slightest. Aside from Rock, none of the part-time guys are headlining the two biggest PPV's of the year (Royal Rumble and WrestleMania), sorry for not clearing that up earlier. And either way, aside from Taker, every other part time guy made many more appearances and wrestled more than Rock since returning. No there wouldn't be a show, but if he is/was hurting bad enough that his performance was a shell of what it was a few months before, I would rather he take the time off. Punk obviously didn't take enough time off after WM 29 as was still staying out of competition for a week every month or two. In December he had torn his meniscus which required surgery, you are supposed to take at least 4-8 weeks of not putting any weight on your leg, he returned to action in 5 weeks. Since he was champ and Ryback was guaranteed a rematch, he had to come back early which would put more strain on his knee. He looked better when he returned at Payback, but he still didn't look healthy and he had shown that with him constantly wrapping his knees every 1-3 weeks. Constant pain with no relief will also damage you mentally and again, how do we know Punk didn't have some sort of nervous breakdown? You don't know how he was going to react to the getting a main event slot for WM XXX, but it also didn't look like that was going to happen either after the Royal Rumble. He was seemingly going to be pitted against Corporate Kane and if not, the spot he left is going to be used to make Daniel Bryan legitimately one of the top guys in the company and a star in his own right, to which if IRCC you thought they were already or were going to bury not too long ago. Punk has stated he wants to go down in the panels of history as the Best in the World so why leave right before the biggest show of the year if something isn't just eating away at him? If he is being so unprofessional about it, why hasn't he made a public statement? If he is being so unprofessional why have none of the superstars (a side from RVD) started bashing him? Guys burn out and this time Punk seemingly couldn't wait until after WrestleMania for a break this time. Do you not understand how much time and preparation goes into a movie? Some of Rock's films are like 3 months of prep and 4-5 months of filming. Thats 7-8 months and then you have promotional work. Rock is putting out how many movies a year? Not to mention reshoots. How exactly is he gonna be showing up more often? I dont care how many part time guys have wrestled more or made more appearances than Rock. Each person negotiated their own deal. If they want a Rock schedule then negotiate that. If you want a longer schedule....then do so. But dont hate cuz Rock was a better negotiator. In addition, Rock is a MUCH bigger draw than ANY of those part time names combined. Every Raw and Smackdown Rock appeared on last year was SOLD OUT. All this talk about pain and injury is nothing more than a bunch of ing excuses. WWE doesnt allowed injured wrestlers to compete. Christian wasnt allowed on Main Event this past week cuz of a concussion. If Punk was that bad....he wouldnt need to take time off, WWE would send him home. I find it quite sad how people are grasping at any straw they can to try and cast some of this deserved resentment towards Punk. You can love him as performer and respect his work, without having to have delusions of grandeur concerning why he left. Maybe the next dirsheet report will report a close family member died and you will cling to that as an excuse. You still refuse to answer my question honestly. And thats fine. Your refusal tells all. You know as well as I do, if he had won the RR and was main eventing WM for the World Title.....he would be there today. And THAT debunks the injury/pain story you have clinged too. Punk can want to go down as the best all he wants.....but he isnt going be. A lot of it isnt even his fault. He is just in the wrong era. Being the biggest star of this era is like being the smartest intellectually- disabled kid in room full of intellectually- disabled kids. He left before WM to take a harder line and send a stronger message. No bigger and better time. While many people are burying grudges at WM time....Punk is pushing his hard. The WM bonus is a sizable portion of the money he will make for the year. He is leaving a lot of money on the table by taking this stance right now. To answer your questions.....he isnt making public statements because of 2 reasons. One, Punk is naturally introverted. Interviews, going on twitter, etc. are just not the way he is going to handle his personal affairs cuz he doesnt believe its any of our business. Second, for legal reasons. Punk is already in a lot of hot water with his breach of contract. What happens to him legally is in the hands of WWE. You dont want to antagonize Vince. Doing shoot interviews, ranting on twitter, etc. is only gonna do just that. Why would none of the other superstars bashed him? Really?! First they are his co workers and they know, like we know....they will be working with him again someday. Second, I am sure WWE has told everyone to not speak any details concerning the situation and that its internal matter. Meet every single media question with general answers and reveal nothing. Third, there are a lot of guys who agree with his frustration and feel it the same. While, they would never be so unprofessional....they hope that perhaps that Punk's tirade might make some changes in the structure and they can benefit from it. And lastly, I am sure Punk has made quite a few friends there. Even if they dont agree with his tactics, they arent gonna bash their friend. Friends dont do that to one another. You dont bury your friend, no matter how selfish and unprofessional their actions are. You support them the best you can. What question? It doesn't matter how long it takes for him to make a movie, he said he was never leaving again yet we haven't seen him in almost a year. Are you trying to tell me he is so busy that he can't even make a 2 minute clip? I get that he draws money for them but guess what? The buyrates for the WM's he appear at were almost equal to the buyrates 5 years earlier and (a side from 27) he wasn't even the only draw to them. Correction, WWE doesn't let those who are concussed or severely injured work. Punk worked without healing much from his meniscus tear. Cena was supposed to be out at least twice the amount of time he was actually out. Taker has an inoperable shoulder injury, which is partially why he is part time. Mark Henry and Big Show are known for getting injuries in the middle of storylines and cutting them short as a result. Again, how selfish and unprofessional must he be if he seemingly has been asking for an extended break for a while now only to get a week off from competing? He may have stayed if he was going into a main event storyline, but it seemed that he was being slated to fight Kane which to me is not worth staying as Kane is no threat at this point. Would you have honestly wanted Punk vs Corporate Kane? People have left for much less. People need a break from their job every once in a while especially when they don't feel that they have been preforming near their usual level and when they feel under-appreciated. He was burnt-out and tired of waiting for a break in both senses.
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Post by Chief on Mar 29, 2014 16:49:30 GMT -5
This thread and this topic is just people talking in circles.
Until Punk or WWE publically make a statement about the situation, further discussion is useless and irrelevant.
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Poochie
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Post by Poochie on Mar 29, 2014 16:55:07 GMT -5
2 things: First, by saying he was never "leaving" again The Rock meant he wasn't going to shy away from his WWE background. Remember, when he went to Hollywood he dropped everything WWE and never acknowledged what made him a star in the first place. All he was saying was before I was Dwayne Johnson, movie star I was The Rock, WWE Champion. I'm not going to forget where I came from again.
Second, regardless of Punk's reasons he should not have up and left. CM Showstopper isn't saying he wants him to perform irregardless of his health or anything, but he should have asked for the time off instead of just up and leaving. If he can't get medical leave either from Vince or from a doctor, then he can't be injured bad enough that he can't continue on. I was a big Punk fan, and like others have said he's been pretty forgetable since Summerslam, but you don't just leave like that.
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