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Post by Sleazyness on Mar 28, 2014 14:13:17 GMT -5
Oh joy another CM Punk thread.
Anyways, what I don't get is why people think him leaving is like the biggest deal. Hulk Hogan, Chris Jericho, HBK, Brett Hart, they all left before and guess what? They got replaced and the show went on without them. Thats just how the business works.
Now this thread is completely understandable to make because its not entirely based off of speculation. I think him leaving for the reasons stated is reasonable yet disappointing. I understand that he wasnt feeling like he was performing the best to his abilities but I dont think that he should have just left his fans in the dark doing what most people have been doing, speculating. If he is a good business man, he would have made some sort of statement and not mislead the bunch that was speculating.
In conclusion, do I understand why CM Punk left? Sure. Do I care that he left? Eh, good talent. Do I think he handled this situation entirely well? Not at all. Do I think that he will come back? I dont know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 14:14:57 GMT -5
I think Punk just learned how to play the game. He already built his star. He should take as much time off as he needs and come back on his terms. If you can't beat them, join them. I've said this before though, if HHH really is bitter about any of this stuff with Punk, then Punk needs to return relatively soon. Vince isn't going to let the ego element hang him up over making money, but Triple H is seemingly far more likely to take it personally. So I'm all for Punk taking time off to rest his mind and body, but if he ever wants to reach that mountain top then I think it needs to happen while Vince is still gripping the reins. He might not ever get to be the man, but I do think he can main event Mania with Cena over the next 2-3 years at some point and draw plenty of money. Which I would think that has to be something he wants to do, but who knows I guess. Your sig...
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 28, 2014 14:31:14 GMT -5
I think Punk just learned how to play the game. He already built his star. He should take as much time off as he needs and come back on his terms. If you can't beat them, join them. I've said this before though, if HHH really is bitter about any of this stuff with Punk, then Punk needs to return relatively soon. Vince isn't going to let the ego element hang him up over making money, but Triple H is seemingly far more likely to take it personally. So I'm all for Punk taking time off to rest his mind and body, but if he ever wants to reach that mountain top then I think it needs to happen while Vince is still gripping the reins. He might not ever get to be the man, but I do think he can main event Mania with Cena over the next 2-3 years at some point and draw plenty of money. Which I would think that has to be something he wants to do, but who knows I guess. Your sig... Thanks man. I met them last weekend in Orlando. They are my two favorite characters from Buffy so I was in heaven. They were both insanely nice. I was actually really surprised at how awesome Marsters is. Like I've heard he's cool, but the guy is just a rockstar and I get how he pulled off that Spike character so well. Megacon was kind of a horrible experience because of how crowded and disorganized the entire day was on Saturday, but getting that picture made up for it.
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Post by el torro on Mar 28, 2014 14:32:59 GMT -5
Oh joy another CM Punk thread. Anyways, what I don't get is why people think him leaving is like the biggest deal. Hulk Hogan, Chris Jericho, HBK, Brett Hart, they all left before and guess what? They got replaced and the show went on without them. Thats just how the business works. Now this thread is completely understandable to make because its not entirely based off of speculation. I think him leaving for the reasons stated is reasonable yet disappointing. I understand that he wasnt feeling like he was performing the best to his abilities but I dont think that he should have just left his fans in the dark doing what most people have been doing, speculating. If he is a good business man, he would have made some sort of statement and not mislead the bunch that was speculating.In conclusion, do I understand why CM Punk left? Sure. Do I care that he left? Eh, good talent. Do I think he handled this situation entirely well? Not at all. Do I think that he will come back? I dont know. Does he really HAVE to? Everyone blew it out of proportions themselves so why does he or even WWE owe us/them an answer?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 14:33:38 GMT -5
Your sig... Thanks man. I met them last weekend in Orlando. They are my two favorite characters from Buffy so I was in heaven. They were both insanely nice. I was actually really surprised at how awesome Marsters is. Like I've heard he's cool, but the guy is just a rockstar and I get how he pulled off that Spike character so well. Megacon was kind of a horrible experience because of how crowded and disorganized the entire day was on Saturday, but getting that picture made up for it. Yeah I can imagine. They both still look great too. You wouldn't believe that Marsters is 51 from that pic. Faith's very possibly my fav Buffy character (the only one who I possibly prefer is Buffy herself). That's so cool that you got to meet them both.
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Post by sean™ on Mar 28, 2014 14:39:02 GMT -5
Punk peaked last year at Wrestlemania. Hasn't been the same since, and certainly never had a match as good outside of his return match with Jericho.
At this point, I really don't care. He's gone, and not coming back anytime soon. The only people that are still making this any kind of a big deal is the fans.
Move on.
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Post by Sleazyness on Mar 28, 2014 14:40:27 GMT -5
Oh joy another CM Punk thread. Anyways, what I don't get is why people think him leaving is like the biggest deal. Hulk Hogan, Chris Jericho, HBK, Brett Hart, they all left before and guess what? They got replaced and the show went on without them. Thats just how the business works. Now this thread is completely understandable to make because its not entirely based off of speculation. I think him leaving for the reasons stated is reasonable yet disappointing. I understand that he wasnt feeling like he was performing the best to his abilities but I dont think that he should have just left his fans in the dark doing what most people have been doing, speculating. If he is a good business man, he would have made some sort of statement and not mislead the bunch that was speculating.In conclusion, do I understand why CM Punk left? Sure. Do I care that he left? Eh, good talent. Do I think he handled this situation entirely well? Not at all. Do I think that he will come back? I dont know. Does he really HAVE to? Everyone blew it out of proportions themselves so why does he or even WWE owe us/them an answer? He walked out on his fans, a big part of why he got to where he was, am I right? He does in my opinion owe them some sort of explanation. That's exactly why I dont like 'CM Punk' threads. They all lead to arguments and such. I will agree that everyone blew it out of proportion, but I still believe that he should have made some sort of statement. If people continued to make speculation after he gave everyone his statement, then they would be the dumb people and that's that. Just my opinion. I completely see where you are coming from man!
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Post by punksnotdead on Mar 28, 2014 14:42:41 GMT -5
Punk peaked last year at Wrestlemania. Hasn't been the same since, and certainly never had a match as good outside of his return match with Jericho. At this point, I really don't care. He's gone, and not coming back anytime soon. The only people that are still making this any kind of a big deal is the fans. Move on. Plenty of people thought his match vs Brock from SummerSlam was match of the year. Not sure how you can think that. I'd agree the rest of his year was abysmal but he was feuding with RybAxel.
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Post by Chief on Mar 28, 2014 14:46:51 GMT -5
Wrestling is a selfish business. You have to protect and preserve your body and your name.
There are so many scummy and shady people involved in wrestling and if the worst thing Punk has done is walk out then he is head and shoulders above 75% of the business.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Mar 28, 2014 14:51:56 GMT -5
Does he really HAVE to? Everyone blew it out of proportions themselves so why does he or even WWE owe us/them an answer? He walked out on his fans, a big part of why he got to where he was, am I right? He does in my opinion owe them some sort of explanation. CM Punk's fans paid to see him perform or to own his merchandise. I don't believe he ever sold subscriptions to constant updates and explanations about his life, so he doesn't owe fans anything.
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Post by JC Motors on Mar 28, 2014 14:51:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't take this dirtsheet rumor seriously
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 15:02:12 GMT -5
They actually referred to him as Phil Brooks on the show.. But he does looks healthy though
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Post by Chief on Mar 28, 2014 15:09:01 GMT -5
He walked out on his fans, a big part of why he got to where he was, am I right? He does in my opinion owe them some sort of explanation. CM Punk's fans paid to see him perform or to own his merchandise. I don't believe he ever sold subscriptions to constant updates and explanations about his life, so he doesn't owe fans anything. So if he doesn't resign, is he quitting on the fans? It's a stupid arguement. Wrestlers wrestle to entertain us but they don't owe their lives to us.
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Mar 28, 2014 15:10:49 GMT -5
Wrestlers wrestle to entertain us but they don't owe their lives to us. Bingo.
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Post by sean™ on Mar 28, 2014 15:37:20 GMT -5
Punk peaked last year at Wrestlemania. Hasn't been the same since, and certainly never had a match as good outside of his return match with Jericho. At this point, I really don't care. He's gone, and not coming back anytime soon. The only people that are still making this any kind of a big deal is the fans. Move on. Plenty of people thought his match vs Brock from SummerSlam was match of the year. Not sure how you can think that. I'd agree the rest of his year was abysmal but he was feuding with RybAxel. I thought his match with Lesnar was match of the night, by far. But, in my opinion, Lesnar was the star and driving force of that match. Punk deserves credit, but I personally thought his matches with Jericho and Undertaker were better. Just my opinion, that's all.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Mar 28, 2014 15:37:45 GMT -5
Punk peaked last year at Wrestlemania. Hasn't been the same since, and certainly never had a match as good outside of his return match with Jericho. At this point, I really don't care. He's gone, and not coming back anytime soon. The only people that are still making this any kind of a big deal is the fans. Move on. Plenty of people thought his match vs Brock from SummerSlam was match of the year. Not sure how you can think that. I'd agree the rest of his year was abysmal but he was feuding with RybAxel. It was a great match, I'd put Daniel Bryan vs. John Cena ahead of it though. He wasn't on his game in 2013 as his return at Payback was completely rushed. He should've taken more time off and not been wasted on matches with Ryback and Curtis Axel.
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Post by sean™ on Mar 28, 2014 15:51:51 GMT -5
My only beef with Punk, is the same beef I had with Austin back in 2003. Walking out. Not "leaving money on the table" or "being ungrateful for his push the last 2 years" or "doing a dis-service to his fans" or any of that. The way I was raised, when you give your word on something, you hold yourself to that word. People bring up Bret and Hogan and Jericho, but the difference between them and Punk is that they all finished out their contracts.
There are a lot of moving factors to all of this, and quite frankly, probably a lot of things that either will never get cleared up or never get put out in the open because it's none of anyone else's business. But a contract is a contract, and I don't think it's right to negate on one.
If he comes back one day, great. If he doesn't, the world keeps turning. And if something true eventually comes out that changes the current story regarding him walking out without attempting to talk things out or come up with a plan to finish out his current contract, then I'd be glad to change my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2014 16:15:36 GMT -5
Can we just give this a rest already? If he wants to be gone let him be gone. If he's happy and feels better there's no reason to cry about his return, especially if he has some kind of part time return, which would not only be hypocritical of him but hypocritical of most of his fans to cheer for it.
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Post by PJ on Mar 28, 2014 16:20:37 GMT -5
All that and it still said nothing. Love these so called internet reporters. They didn't speak to Punk directly so everything reported is still speculation. Until they actually hear it from Punk's mouth it isn't fact.
As far as his value goes if he's back at WM or the Raw after great...if not it's no big deal as the WWE has been running just fine without him.
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Post by Chief on Mar 28, 2014 16:21:24 GMT -5
Here's the disconnect for me: why do you care that he walked out? Why does it upset you He didn't walk out on you, He walked out on the company. And unless you're an employee or stock holder, it doesn't effect you. If any of you guys walked out on Your job tomorrow I wouldn't give a .
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