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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 11:23:35 GMT -5
I am a big fan of Crush, and personally liked the Darsow/Adams duo more than I did the Eadie/Darsow duo. Ax's punches looked awful and he just seemed too cartoony. Crush was more menacing, better athlete than Eadie at that stage of his career, and was as physically strong as either of the Road Warriors. I would have loved to see Smash/Crush keep going for a couple more years.
Back to the subject, I'm definitely getting this figure. I don't have either Ax or Smash, but I could easily see using Crush as a hired mercenary type until I get my hands on a reasonably priced Smash.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 11:48:37 GMT -5
I am a big fan of Crush, and personally liked the Darsow/Adams duo more than I did the Eadie/Darsow duo. Ax's punches looked awful and he just seemed too cartoony. Crush was more menacing, better athlete than Eadie at that stage of his career, and was as physically strong as either of the Road Warriors. I would have loved to see Smash/Crush keep going for a couple more years. Back to the subject, I'm definitely getting this figure. I don't have either Ax or Smash, but I could easily see using Crush as a hired mercenary type until I get my hands on a reasonably priced Smash. I agree. I'm excited to finally get my hands on something demolition!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 12:43:53 GMT -5
I have it pre-ordered. It's disappointing imo. I'm sure it'll look great, but Ax and Smash were complete without Crush having to be in Demolition attire. We should have gotten a different Adams look, like Evil Crush. This was our one shot at Crush and Mattel wasted it on a look that would have been an extremely easy custom. This is Snuka with boots to me. To you (and a few others) perhaps, but did Evil Crush or Kona Crush ever hold a title? No and no. Did Demolition Crush? Yes, he sort of "inherited" the tag title. He had a decent middle card run, but was never the top draw. At least with Demolition he joined an established gimmick. I wouldn't mind one day getting all three versions, but to me Demolition Crush is the best because he completes a stable that with him held the tag titles. I hope he sells well. Hopefully some kids will think he looks cool if they don't know who he is. He's gotta a cool name at least. I think if Papa Shango sold well, he'll sell. For those who missed out on the other Demolition members, that's sucks for you. There were PLENTY on the shelves when the series was released, at least in my area. Using that logic, you shouldn't care about The Big Bossman except for his corporate run where he won the tag titles & hardcore title...because the coolest version of bossman (that's in your picture) went without a championship. As you show with Bossman, back then...many wrestlers' most memorable character moments were without a title. Viva La Evil & Kona Crush
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 12:46:23 GMT -5
To you (and a few others) perhaps, but did Evil Crush or Kona Crush ever hold a title? No and no. Did Demolition Crush? Yes, he sort of "inherited" the tag title. He had a decent middle card run, but was never the top draw. At least with Demolition he joined an established gimmick. I wouldn't mind one day getting all three versions, but to me Demolition Crush is the best because he completes a stable that with him held the tag titles. I hope he sells well. Hopefully some kids will think he looks cool if they don't know who he is. He's gotta a cool name at least. I think if Papa Shango sold well, he'll sell. For those who missed out on the other Demolition members, that's sucks for you. There were PLENTY on the shelves when the series was released, at least in my area. He was a tag team champion for like 3 months and the one time he defended them on PPV, he was the guy who took the pinfall to lose the belts. Hardly a memorable champion imo. I think Crush is awesome, but this to me is like getting Ahmed Johnson in his Nation of Domination attire. I'm happy to be getting him at all, but I'm just being honest with how I feel. the world deserves Evil & Kona Crush...especially since Jakks had to cancel Evil
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Post by Boy Wonder on Mar 31, 2014 12:47:50 GMT -5
I would have much preferred Corporate Bossman as well. Where the hell is he? Such an easy figure to do, especially now that they have those Shield legs
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 18:35:53 GMT -5
To you (and a few others) perhaps, but did Evil Crush or Kona Crush ever hold a title? No and no. Did Demolition Crush? Yes, he sort of "inherited" the tag title. He had a decent middle card run, but was never the top draw. At least with Demolition he joined an established gimmick. I wouldn't mind one day getting all three versions, but to me Demolition Crush is the best because he completes a stable that with him held the tag titles. I hope he sells well. Hopefully some kids will think he looks cool if they don't know who he is. He's gotta a cool name at least. I think if Papa Shango sold well, he'll sell. For those who missed out on the other Demolition members, that's sucks for you. There were PLENTY on the shelves when the series was released, at least in my area. Using that logic, you shouldn't care about The Big Bossman except for his corporate run where he won the tag titles & hardcore title...because the coolest version of bossman (that's in your picture) went without a championship. As you show with Bossman, back then...many wrestlers' most memorable character moments were without a title. Viva La Evil & Kona Crush "Most memorable" is a matter of opinion and perspective. If you didn't care much for Demolition but thought Crush's singles runs were cool, then to you Kona or Evil is the most memorable. To me, anything to do with Demolition is much better than anything Crush never accomplished on the middle card. I'm glad Mattel agrees. As for the Bossman, coincidently, he and Akeem (when Bossman looked like this) feuded heavily with Demolition. For me, this Bossman completed a tag team started with Akeem, just as Crush completes a tag team started with Ax and Smash. Also, Bossman was billed in matches with Hulk Hogan and LOD (Survivor Series 92 I think). Bossman even "challenged" Hogan for the world title. Did Crush as a singles ever get that kind of push? He did rival with Macho, but after Macho was relegated to the middle card, too. Not when he was champion. THIS Bossman shared a video game cover with Hogan, Warrior, Andre the Giant and Macho King on Nintendo's Wrestlemania Challenge. C'mon, the argument is beyond championships for Bossman. For singles Crush, what does he have? A cool look? So do 100s of other wrestlers. Let's face it, singles Crush's most memorable rivalry was with a clown. A clown. Not to trivialize Doink, but he rivaled with a clown. The case is clear for both Bossman and Demolition Crush. The difference is Corporate Bossman ALSO deserves a figure, but perhaps Kona Crush can wait on everyone else. There is no comparison between EITHER Bossman and Kona Crush or Evil Crush.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2014 21:27:47 GMT -5
Using that logic, you shouldn't care about The Big Bossman except for his corporate run where he won the tag titles & hardcore title...because the coolest version of bossman (that's in your picture) went without a championship. As you show with Bossman, back then...many wrestlers' most memorable character moments were without a title. Viva La Evil & Kona Crush "Most memorable" is a matter of opinion and perspective. If you didn't care much for Demolition but thought Crush's singles runs were cool, then to you Kona or Evil is the most memorable. To me, anything to do with Demolition is much better than anything Crush never accomplished on the middle card. I'm glad Mattel agrees. As for the Bossman, coincidently, he and Akeem (when Bossman looked like this) feuded heavily with Demolition. For me, this Bossman completed a tag team started with Akeem, just as Crush completes a tag team started with Ax and Smash. Also, Bossman was billed in matches with Hulk Hogan and LOD (Survivor Series 92 I think). Bossman even "challenged" Hogan for the world title. Did Crush as a singles ever get that kind of push? He did rival with Macho, but after Macho was relegated to the middle card, too. Not when he was champion. THIS Bossman shared a video game cover with Hogan, Warrior, Andre the Giant and Macho King on Nintendo's Wrestlemania Challenge. C'mon, the argument is beyond championships for Bossman. For singles Crush, what does he have? A cool look? So do 100s of other wrestlers. Let's face it, singles Crush's most memorable rivalry was with a clown. A clown. Not to trivialize Doink, but he rivaled with a clown. The case is clear for both Bossman and Demolition Crush. The difference is Corporate Bossman ALSO deserves a figure, but perhaps Kona Crush can wait on everyone else. There is no comparison between EITHER Bossman and Kona Crush or Evil Crush. you're right, most memorable is a matter of opinion and perspective....but you said championships mattered - so I mentioned what I did, based on your belief about titles if your view of Crush is based on who he feuded with or any other reason, that's your view & I respect it....as Kona though, he was pretty unstoppable for a while so he wasn't some guy jobbing out I don't argue that Bossman that is in your picture wasn't more important, just that titles don't matter when making the decision...Crush for me is a part of my childhood in each version of the character - it was cool to see him reinvent himself 3 times in WWF & that makes each version worthy IMO, because they were all memorable the Evil Crush can be seen as the 'lesser' of the 3 in terms of success, but lets face it - many find this reinventing of himself very interesting because he kept the same name each time & also because he looked awesome...not to mention the rareness of the Hasbro & Jakks canceling Evil, makes it a more intriguing figure to finally get
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 0:59:08 GMT -5
"Most memorable" is a matter of opinion and perspective. If you didn't care much for Demolition but thought Crush's singles runs were cool, then to you Kona or Evil is the most memorable. To me, anything to do with Demolition is much better than anything Crush never accomplished on the middle card. I'm glad Mattel agrees. As for the Bossman, coincidently, he and Akeem (when Bossman looked like this) feuded heavily with Demolition. For me, this Bossman completed a tag team started with Akeem, just as Crush completes a tag team started with Ax and Smash. Also, Bossman was billed in matches with Hulk Hogan and LOD (Survivor Series 92 I think). Bossman even "challenged" Hogan for the world title. Did Crush as a singles ever get that kind of push? He did rival with Macho, but after Macho was relegated to the middle card, too. Not when he was champion. THIS Bossman shared a video game cover with Hogan, Warrior, Andre the Giant and Macho King on Nintendo's Wrestlemania Challenge. C'mon, the argument is beyond championships for Bossman. For singles Crush, what does he have? A cool look? So do 100s of other wrestlers. Let's face it, singles Crush's most memorable rivalry was with a clown. A clown. Not to trivialize Doink, but he rivaled with a clown. The case is clear for both Bossman and Demolition Crush. The difference is Corporate Bossman ALSO deserves a figure, but perhaps Kona Crush can wait on everyone else. There is no comparison between EITHER Bossman and Kona Crush or Evil Crush. you're right, most memorable is a matter of opinion and perspective....but you said championships mattered - so I mentioned what I did, based on your belief about titles if your view of Crush is based on who he feuded with or any other reason, that's your view & I respect it....as Kona though, he was pretty unstoppable for a while so he wasn't some guy jobbing out I don't argue that Bossman that is in your picture wasn't more important, just that titles don't matter when making the decision...Crush for me is a part of my childhood in each version of the character - it was cool to see him reinvent himself 3 times in WWF & that makes each version worthy IMO, because they were all memorable the Evil Crush can be seen as the 'lesser' of the 3 in terms of success, but lets face it - many find this reinventing of himself very interesting because he kept the same name each time & also because he looked awesome...not to mention the rareness of the Hasbro & Jakks canceling Evil, makes it a more intriguing figure to finally get Don't get me wrong, man, I hope you get him. I'd buy him! I admit it. If I personally had to choose, though, I'd pick Demolition. I respect your view though. I never liked the collectors who say "go back and do some research you kid!" when I said I had no affinity for someone like Magnum TA or whatever. Both of those single's Crushes would look good on the shelf.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 1:43:49 GMT -5
you're right, most memorable is a matter of opinion and perspective....but you said championships mattered - so I mentioned what I did, based on your belief about titles if your view of Crush is based on who he feuded with or any other reason, that's your view & I respect it....as Kona though, he was pretty unstoppable for a while so he wasn't some guy jobbing out I don't argue that Bossman that is in your picture wasn't more important, just that titles don't matter when making the decision...Crush for me is a part of my childhood in each version of the character - it was cool to see him reinvent himself 3 times in WWF & that makes each version worthy IMO, because they were all memorable the Evil Crush can be seen as the 'lesser' of the 3 in terms of success, but lets face it - many find this reinventing of himself very interesting because he kept the same name each time & also because he looked awesome...not to mention the rareness of the Hasbro & Jakks canceling Evil, makes it a more intriguing figure to finally get Don't get me wrong, man, I hope you get him. I'd buy him! I admit it. If I personally had to choose, though, I'd pick Demolition. I respect your view though. I never liked the collectors who say "go back and do some research you kid!" when I said I had no affinity for someone like Magnum TA or whatever. Both of those single's Crushes would look good on the shelf. I'd honestly be curious to know how much more profit one single wrestler as a flashback can bring Mattel. I understand that Ringside & other stores would sell a lot more of one guy over another, but that alone can't justify reordering another case. It's really dependent on the entire series to get the reorders at Wal-Mart, TRU, Target right? So, let's say one series has a Warrior and complete garbage for the rest of the series, or just full repaint jobbers. The Warrior could always sell out, but be in a series that undersells. I'm just curious how they would figure the difference in expected value (when it's someone new to the line). Personally, I think all 3 versions of Crush would sell equally well, but Evil & Kona being a little more sought after by die hards, raising their second hand price to quite a bit more than Demolition version.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2014 5:14:05 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, man, I hope you get him. I'd buy him! I admit it. If I personally had to choose, though, I'd pick Demolition. I respect your view though. I never liked the collectors who say "go back and do some research you kid!" when I said I had no affinity for someone like Magnum TA or whatever. Both of those single's Crushes would look good on the shelf. I'd honestly be curious to know how much more profit one single wrestler as a flashback can bring Mattel. I understand that Ringside & other stores would sell a lot more of one guy over another, but that alone can't justify reordering another case. It's really dependent on the entire series to get the reorders at Wal-Mart, TRU, Target right? So, let's say one series has a Warrior and complete garbage for the rest of the series, or just full repaint jobbers. The Warrior could always sell out, but be in a series that undersells. I'm just curious how they would figure the difference in expected value (when it's someone new to the line). Personally, I think all 3 versions of Crush would sell equally well, but Evil & Kona being a little more sought after by die hards, raising their second hand price to quite a bit more than Demolition version. That is a good question. As far as I know stores can't reorder more Warriors or whatever; they gotta order the whole set. If a really popular figure was only packed in .5 cases, you'll never find him. But I don't think stores break it down like that. They look at the entire series. Which means a really popular figure won't do much good; you'll need 6 popular figures. One or two shelfwarmers can drag down the entire series when it comes time for reorders. I've gone into stores and only seen Cena or Orton and asked the clerk if they have any more from that series in the back or on order, and they usually say "we have to sell these first." I think this topic interesting enough for its own thread.
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