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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 7, 2014 0:13:44 GMT -5
What WM of the 90s or 2000s was remotely as bad as this? The only ones I can remotely put in there are WM 11 and WM 13. 11 still had a pretty good HBK/Diesel match and a decent UT match. 13 had the infamous Bret/Austin and Rock/Shamrock. This WM....is memorable for the opening segment, DB winning and the streak ending. The matches themselves were AWFUL. The only match I was really looking forward to was Shield. And they cut that match so far down, there wasnt much to it. Battle Royal had memorable spots....but its a battle royal....not much to it. The tag match was good.....but it was on the pre show. Cena/Wyatt is possibly the worst match I have EVER seen at a WM....including LT/Bam Bam. The main event had some moments, but overall wasnt very good either. This WM is going to be remembered for what happened more than the matches themselves. You can't be serious. I don't think it's even worth going down the card and reviewing the matches objectively for what they were. One squash, one typical divas match, and another bad match where the ending is arguably the biggest shock of all time. Everything else was good or very good. Are you sure you watched WM 30?! You're right...its not worth going down. The tag match was the match of the night.
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Post by Booger Red on Apr 7, 2014 0:13:55 GMT -5
I'm suprised you guys liked it that much, I really wasn't a big fan of this Mania. It was a Chocolate SHarkton better than WrestleMania XXIX. Triple H/Bryan was a great opener than might challenge Bret/Owen at WrestleMania X as the Greatest opener in Mania history. Shield looked very strong against the New Age Outlaws and Kane Cesaro won the "Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal" in one of the most impressive feats of strength I've ever seen. Cena/Wyatt had some great storytelling from both guys, with Bray egging Cena to be more aggressive and do the things that Cena has prided himself in not doing. Bray should have won, in my opinion, but Cena winning doesn't take anything away from their match. I'll admit, UT/Brock was a boring, underwhelming match with one of, if not the most surprising/baffling decision in Mania history. Nearly everyone wrote this match up as another victory in the "Win" column for The Undertaker, even myself. One of the most shocking moment in the history of "The Grandest Stage of 'Em All" I didn't care much for the divas match, but was happy AJ retained her Divas' Championship Bryan/Batista/Orton shocked the hell out of me. The match had some really great moments and near-falls. Glad that Daniel Bryan got his WrestleMania Moment by winning the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. The show, for the most part was quite good. I enjoyed Bryan winning both his matches and Cesaro being made into a huge prospect to be a major star in one night. The end of the Streak saddened me as I am a huge Undertaker mark and the man is my favorite wrestler of all time, but I'm sure he made the call to have Lesnar break the Streak. If Taker wants his Streak to end, then he should get his wish.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 7, 2014 0:14:36 GMT -5
30 was the WORST WM of all time. Outside of DB finally winning and the nostaligic opening segment, this show was awful. Oh, I see you're still as intolerable as you used to be. My apologies for having an opinion that doesnt agree with everyone else.
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Post by slappy on Apr 7, 2014 0:15:02 GMT -5
30 > 17
This may be an in the moment assessment and I may change my mind later but right now 30 is the best WrestleMania of all time.
Didn't feel that way the previous years so maybe I won't change my mind.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 7, 2014 0:16:11 GMT -5
30 > 17 This may be an in the moment assessment and I may change my mind later but right now 30 is the best WrestleMania of all time. Didn't feel that way the previous years so maybe I won't change my mind. WTF?! What match was so awesome?! Its a memorable WM. But the matches were not very good at all....some being downright awful.
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Post by ASR (therockisback) on Apr 7, 2014 0:16:18 GMT -5
WM15 was lame outside of Austin/Rock. WM16 could have been one of the best shows ever but sucked except from the Ladder match. The crowd sucked for an Attitude Era crowd. WM9 and WM11 were the worst ever. WM13 without Austin/Bret would have been the worst ever. WM27 was trash. WM29 was the most predictable ever. 25 and 26 were letdowns, 23 sucked... WM10 was actually good.
Can't be asked to go on anymore but WM30 in my opinion has to be a top 3, 5 or 10 candidate.
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Post by Rattlehead on Apr 7, 2014 0:16:26 GMT -5
I'm surprised on how much I did enjoy it.
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Post by Hendrix83 on Apr 7, 2014 0:18:17 GMT -5
30 > 17 This may be an in the moment assessment and I may change my mind later but right now 30 is the best WrestleMania of all time. Didn't feel that way the previous years so maybe I won't change my mind. Whoa, easy there partner. Wrestlemania 17 was over a decade ago and we're still talking about it. Wrestlemania 30 was all of 3 hours ago. I have to say though, it's the first great Wrestlemania in a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 0:19:18 GMT -5
30 was the WORST WM of all time. Outside of DB finally winning and the nostaligic opening segment, this show was awful.
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Post by Planktung on Apr 7, 2014 0:20:43 GMT -5
30 was the WORST WM of all time. Outside of DB finally winning and the nostaligic opening segment, this show was awful. Not even close. - An incredible opening match that had been months in the making. - The Shield and Cesaro looking like beasts, especially the latter. - Bray Wyatt, despite losing, looked like a mother ing star against the company's top name on the biggest stage imaginable. - The most shocking moment in WrestleMania history, and to some, wrestling history period. - A very enjoyable main event. To say that this WrestleMania was awful is nonsensical.
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Post by slappy on Apr 7, 2014 0:21:22 GMT -5
30 > 17 This may be an in the moment assessment and I may change my mind later but right now 30 is the best WrestleMania of all time. Didn't feel that way the previous years so maybe I won't change my mind. WTF?! What match was so awesome?! Its a memorable WM. But the matches were not very good at all....some being downright awful. Both of Bryan's matches were amazing. Taker vs Lesnar was a let down compared to Taker's previous Mania matches. Even the guaranteed cluster stipulation of the Diva's match was good with the Bellas diving through the ropes. Cesaro being a beast. The pre-show tag match was great. 6 man tag was exactly what it should have been. Cena vs Bray was great too. This was a near perfect show.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 0:21:22 GMT -5
Honestly my only major gripe was Taker/Lesnar being pretty boring, especially since it was the match where the streak ended. Other than that, I got what I wanted out of the show (and more with Cesaro winning the battle royal, totally thought Rusev was winning it).
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Post by slappy on Apr 7, 2014 0:22:14 GMT -5
30 > 17 This may be an in the moment assessment and I may change my mind later but right now 30 is the best WrestleMania of all time. Didn't feel that way the previous years so maybe I won't change my mind. Whoa, easy there partner. Wrestlemania 17 was over a decade ago and we're still talking about it. Wrestlemania 30 was all of 3 hours ago. I have to say though, it's the first great Wrestlemania in a long time. Taker vs HHH > Taker vs Lesnar but Bryan vs HHH Diva's match > Chyna vs Ivory Bryan vs Batista vs Orton > Rock vs Austin CESARO!!! I stick by 30 > 17.
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Post by Alpha Q Up on Apr 7, 2014 0:22:31 GMT -5
You can't be serious. I don't think it's even worth going down the card and reviewing the matches objectively for what they were. One squash, one typical divas match, and another bad match where the ending is arguably the biggest shock of all time. Everything else was good or very good. Are you sure you watched WM 30?! You're right...its not worth going down. The tag match was the match of the night. Dude. The pre-show was suprisingly good, the D-Bry/HHH match was awesome, The Shield/NAO & Kane match had to be a squash because they were unworthy opponents and The Shield deserve a dominating performance if they can't get a 5 star match vs The Wyatts. The Battle Royal was obviously sloppy when there were 30 guys in the ring, but when it came down to 6-8, it turned into a pretty decent match and the finish was not only shocking but great for the WWE (Pushing Cesaro). Cena vs Bray was one of the greatest examples of A+ ring psychology, obviously Bray should have won..but there were so many awesome moments in the match (along with the crowd totally being behind Bray) that it becomes a 3.5 star match. Lesnar/Taker is self explanatory, the match was going to be poop nonetheless, Taker is 55 and Brock is a brawler. The ending itself made it a memorable experience, which is what Manias about. The divas match was the perfect calm downer for that Taker ending, I honestly don't even count diva matches nowadays as part of WM..lets just be happy that it was put inbetween Takers loss and the Main Event. The triple threat match was AWESOME. Everything about it was awesome. The interference, Bryan being Batista Bombed/RKO'd through a table and being carted out. Batista looking like he was going to win and getting a serious near count, same with Orton, and Bryan coming back in and hitting a perefect running knee and YES-Lock to end one of the greatest slow burns of all time. I think you need to re-watch the show, but hey..it's your opinion.
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 7, 2014 0:22:56 GMT -5
30 was the WORST WM of all time. Outside of DB finally winning and the nostaligic opening segment, this show was awful. Not even close. - An incredible opening match that had been months in the making. - The Shield and Cesaro looking like beasts, especially the latter. - Bray Wyatt, despite losing, looked like a mother ing star against the company's top name on the biggest stage imaginable. - The most shocking moment in WrestleMania history, and to some, wrestling history period. - A very enjoyable main event. To say that this WrestleMania was awful is nonsensical. -an excruciating long match that lacked chemistry. Good story told. Match quality was average at best. -BOTH are results and not matches. I said the show is memorable. Just not good. -Bray looking like a star is a result not a match. This match is quite possibly the WORST WM match of all time. --Shocking moment is memorable....the match sucked -the main event was ok at best. Very well told story. Great result, some cool spots.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 0:24:22 GMT -5
30 was the WORST WM of all time. Outside of DB finally winning and the nostaligic opening segment, this show was awful. Not even close. - An incredible opening match that had been months in the making. - The Shield and Cesaro looking like beasts, especially the latter. - Bray Wyatt, despite losing, looked like a mother ing star against the company's top name on the biggest stage imaginable. - The most shocking moment in WrestleMania history, and to some, wrestling history period. - A very enjoyable main event. To say that this WrestleMania was awful is nonsensical. 100% agree Wrestlemania 30 was amazing CM Showstopper needs to take it easy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 0:25:46 GMT -5
Not even close. - An incredible opening match that had been months in the making. - The Shield and Cesaro looking like beasts, especially the latter. - Bray Wyatt, despite losing, looked like a mother ing star against the company's top name on the biggest stage imaginable. - The most shocking moment in WrestleMania history, and to some, wrestling history period. - A very enjoyable main event. To say that this WrestleMania was awful is nonsensical. -an excruciating long match that lacked chemistry. Good story told. Match quality was average at best. -BOTH are results and not matches. I said the show is memorable. Just not good. -Bray looking like a star is a result not a match. This match is quite possibly the WORST WM match of all time.--Shocking moment is memorable....the match sucked -the main event was ok at best. Very well told story. Great result, some cool spots. Michael Cole vs Jerry Lawler called. It wants you to take that back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2014 0:26:07 GMT -5
Not even close. - An incredible opening match that had been months in the making. - The Shield and Cesaro looking like beasts, especially the latter. - Bray Wyatt, despite losing, looked like a mother ing star against the company's top name on the biggest stage imaginable. - The most shocking moment in WrestleMania history, and to some, wrestling history period. - A very enjoyable main event. To say that this WrestleMania was awful is nonsensical. -an excruciating long match that lacked chemistry. Good story told. Match quality was average at best. -BOTH are results and not matches. I said the show is memorable. Just not good. -Bray looking like a star is a result not a match. This match is quite possibly the WORST WM match of all time. --Shocking moment is memorable....the match sucked -the main event was ok at best. Very well told story. Great result, some cool spots. I know everyone has their own opinion, but come on.
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Post by slappy on Apr 7, 2014 0:26:53 GMT -5
-Bray looking like a star is a result not a match. This match is quite possibly the WORST WM match of all time. Not Taker vs Gonzalez, not the pillow fight, not the Playboy evening gown match, not Show vs Akebono, not Vince vs Bret, not Cole vs Lawler but Cena vs Bray is the worst match?
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Post by King Bálor (CM)™ on Apr 7, 2014 0:31:16 GMT -5
WTF?! What match was so awesome?! Its a memorable WM. But the matches were not very good at all....some being downright awful. Both of Bryan's matches were amazing. Taker vs Lesnar was a let down compared to Taker's previous Mania matches. Even the guaranteed cluster stipulation of the Diva's match was good with the Bellas diving through the ropes. Cesaro being a beast. The pre-show tag match was great. 6 man tag was exactly what it should have been. Cena vs Bray was great too. This was a near perfect show. Both of Bryan's matches were not great. The main event told a great story, had some cool spots. The opener was too long and just wasnt all that good. UT/Lesnar was AWFUL. Another UT clunker. Cesaro was a beast. Pre show was probably match of the night. 6 man was a waste of time. They should have gotten more time. Cena vs. Bray is the worst WM match of all time. Are you sure you watched WM 30?! You're right...its not worth going down. The tag match was the match of the night. Dude. The pre-show was suprisingly good, the D-Bry/HHH match was awesome, The Shield/NAO & Kane match had to be a squash because they were unworthy opponents and The Shield deserve a dominating performance if they can't get a 5 star match vs The Wyatts. The Battle Royal was obviously sloppy when there were 30 guys in the ring, but when it came down to 6-8, it turned into a pretty decent match and the finish was not only shocking but great for the WWE (Pushing Cesaro). Cena vs Bray was one of the greatest examples of A+ ring psychology, obviously Bray should have won..but there were so many awesome moments in the match (along with the crowd totally being behind Bray) that it becomes a 3.5 star match. Lesnar/Taker is self explanatory, the match was going to be poop nonetheless, Taker is 55 and Brock is a brawler. The ending itself made it a memorable experience, which is what Manias about. The divas match was the perfect calm downer for that Taker ending, I honestly don't even count diva matches nowadays as part of WM..lets just be happy that it was put inbetween Takers loss and the Main Event. The triple threat match was AWESOME. Everything about it was awesome. The interference, Bryan being Batista Bombed/RKO'd through a table and being carted out. Batista looking like he was going to win and getting a serious near count, same with Orton, and Bryan coming back in and hitting a perefect running knee and YES-Lock to end one of the greatest slow burns of all time. I think you need to re-watch the show, but hey..it's your opinion. The pre show was good. Match of the night. I dont get why people are loving HHH/DB. It told a good story, but the quality of the match wasnt all that great. And it was too damn long for what needed to be told. Shield deserved more time. This was nothing more than just a Shield squash. This is WM....not WWE Main Event. The Battle Royal was good for what it was. It had some cool moments. Sure....I'll give you that there was some steallar examples of psychology. But Cena/Bray lacked chemistry and the match itself was BORING. I cant spit on this match enough. Forget the result....cuz I was fine with Cena going over. But its pacing was horrid. Triple threat was good...not great. Fantastic story told. Quality of match not that great. Everything I am reading from people that they loved are all moments. Shield was strong, Cesaro was a beast, battle royal spots, streak ends, DB wins. I am not hearing very man.....man that match was awesome! Did you see this or that? I couldnt believe it! Holy shit! Everything was a result or a moment and not a quality of wrestling.
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