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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 10:23:51 GMT -5
I know I can't be the only one on this forum that is bummed that we lost the actual Mattel Legends Line of figures and are now reduced to exclusives and flashbacks for classic figures. My First question is, what happened? Did Jakks really do such a good job that Mattel's Legends weren't selling? Is there any chance we might see the Mattel Legends Line return? Finally, for you what are your top 5 legend wants from Mattel.
For me : 1. Hulk Hogan ( 1990's attire ) 2. Nailz ( Orange Jumpsuit with nightstick) 3. Evil Andre the Giant (with long sideburns) 4. Bobby the Brain Heenan 5. Jim the Anvil Niedhart
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 10:29:25 GMT -5
Here are a few reasons I think the Legends line failed:
1. Poor attire choices in the first 2 sets. Sgt. Slaughter, Road Warriors, Superfly, Terry Funk all should have been in their iconic look and not what they were featured in. That would have helped with sales.
2. Over-saturated market. These were sold at every large retail store in america. Not to mention, they also released that HOF set at K-mart with straight up re-releases.
3. Too soon in the line. Everyone who collected the Classic Superstars line still was holding on to there Classic Superstars line. Especially since we all thought we were still going to be getting some Classics from Jakks with their version of the Legends line.
There at other reasons, but I think those were te 3 biggest reasons. I truely believe if they re-launced the Legends line today, it would be much more successful. Especially with Legends like Hulk Hogan, Razor Ramon, Sting, Ric Flair, and even guys like RVD in the mix now.
Also, here are my top 5 most wanted. I think I will get most of these sooner than later:
1. Hulk Hogan (Any version, all eras) 2. Scott Hall/Razor Ramon (I want an NWO and a Razor version) 3. Jim Neidhart (To complete the Hart Foundation) 4. X-pac (To complete DX) 5. Sting (Crow version to display next to the NWO)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 10:31:16 GMT -5
My theory is: They came out too soon. 2012 would have been better. The attire choices was crap.
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Post by TheChosen1 on Apr 10, 2014 10:53:09 GMT -5
The attires were awful....I think they would do much better today
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Post by Next Manufactured’s Sweater on Apr 10, 2014 10:59:02 GMT -5
People were used to cheap, poor-quality Legends figures. They weren't interested in restarting a collection with expensive, high-quality Legends figures. Very little chance that a separate Legends line will ever happen again. Retailers don't want it, and the Flashbacks strategy is actually working so it'd be silly of Mattel to mess with that.
Top five Flashbacks I want:
Crash Holly with scale and hat D'Lo Brown with chest protector Razor Ramon (green, purple or teal outfit) with chains and vest Kurt Angle with gold medals Dude Love with classic tag title
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Post by marino13 on Apr 10, 2014 11:00:52 GMT -5
My biggest issue is I (I'm sure others as well) needed to rebuild my current shelf also. So I was spending more than my wife preferred already. Then they threw out Legends on top of that. It became too much. I just wish they would have waited another year before they started with Legends.
My top 5...
1) Barry Windham 2) Brutus Beefcake 3) Steiner Brothers 4) Sting 5) Niktia Koloff (I can dream)
I'm 99% positive we will have a Hogan & Flair sooner than later. And maybe Hall & Sting by this time next year.
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Post by PJ on Apr 10, 2014 11:13:48 GMT -5
I never felt the excuse about attires...other than Snuka's I had no problem with any. Would I have liked Sarge in cammo? Sure, but I would have rather had him in all black with no tshirt. LOD I wouldn't change a thing as that was my all time favorite Road Warriors attires.
The reason I feel they failed at retail is because Mattel overproduced them. L1 & L2 were out at the same time as HOF which was L1&L2 rereleases. So they competed with each other.
Legends 2-Packs my TRU received 30 cases in their first shipment at at least 25 in their second shipment. With Jakks my TRU never got more than 3 cases of any CSTT wave. 55 cases of the same 3 set. With Jakks 55 case would have been up to CSTT series 15. So to me it was producing way more product than the demand was.
As for who I still want... Sting - GAB 90 Steiner Brothers - WM IX British Bulldogs - WM2 or WM III Hart Foundation - young Bret and Anvil. Black tights & pink tops Magnificent Muraco - Heel in black or navy trunks
managers - Heenan Captain Lou Mr Fuji
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Post by Danger10 on Apr 10, 2014 11:21:15 GMT -5
X-Pac Scott Hall LOD 2000 including Droz
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Post by juaumguterres on Apr 10, 2014 11:32:50 GMT -5
I do'nt like Mattel's clothes (that comes separate from the figures). I recently bought the three Shield wrestlers and I think that the vest was from taller figures, not them.
For the Legends collection, I'd like to see:
Hulk Hogan King Kong Bundy (one whose face is like him) Doink Abdullah the Butcher 1-2-3 Kid
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Post by Keck Collects on Apr 10, 2014 11:38:48 GMT -5
-I think Mattel was trying to avoid re-creating what Jakks had done with CS attires, with Funk, Snuka, Slaughter, and LOD. They wanted their own versions out at the time. - Not having Flair, and some other really big names hurt the appeal, until Savage and Warrior were released. It was way too soon for Kevin Von Erich, Hillbilly Jim, and George Steele. -The tag team set was a big deal, because other than the Bushwhackers, neither of the others were really iconic teams that deserved to be in those spots. It should have been the Rockers, Harts, or Demolition. - The HOF set would have worked if they were repaints. As it was, they clogged the shelves.
My top five wanted Legends: (I think Hogan, Flair, and Razor Ramon are on the way)
Sid Jim Neidhart IRS Nasty Boys Sting
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Post by ellisd on Apr 10, 2014 12:08:42 GMT -5
I may be the only one, but I actually like the Flashbacks even more. When the Classic Superstars line came out I was mostly just collecting Classics and not buying many of the current roster (current at the time.) But since I've started collecting Mattel I've been buying Legends/Flashbacks and I've also bought a decent amount of current figures. Since I'm buying guys from classic and modern eras, I prefer the Flashback idea. I do however wish they would possibly add some flashbacks to the Battle Packs.
But don't get me wrong, I can easily see why someone would want the Legends line back as there are some wrestlers that probably won't get a figure as a Flashback but would probably be included if they were still doing a Legends line.
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Post by knupmc on Apr 10, 2014 13:43:50 GMT -5
Unfortunately the selection choice if who they made was poor. 99% of kids don't know who the Von Erich's are
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Post by June on Apr 10, 2014 14:07:40 GMT -5
I'm one of those that was satisfied with the cheap classic figures, and have purchased most of the legends and flashbacks out of addiction.
Am I the only person that loved the Terry Funk attire selection? I prefer his WWF LJN look to his boring ECW attire.
My top 5:
Nailz Ludvig Borga Rougoue Brothers Hercules Dino Bravo
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Post by Danger10 on Apr 10, 2014 15:00:05 GMT -5
I've always wondered what Jakks did to make their Classic Superstars line a success and why Mattel couldn't duplicate it?
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Post by Glorydaysofwrestling on Apr 10, 2014 15:05:15 GMT -5
I'm with you on the Terry Funk attire. I always wanted jakks to a LJN Funk...so glad mattel made it....now if we could only get JYD!!!! I'm one of those that was satisfied with the cheap classic figures, and have purchased most of the legends and flashbacks out of addiction. Am I the only person that loved the Terry Funk attire selection? I prefer his WWF LJN look to his boring ECW attire. My top 5: Nailz Ludvig Borga Rougoue Brothers Hercules Dino Bravo
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Post by Micro on Apr 10, 2014 15:46:35 GMT -5
I think another big reason, that doesn't get mentioned often, that the Legends line lacked in their character selection is that WWE themselves put a restriction against making any Legends versions of currently active Superstars. This prevented classic versions of Undertaker, Shawn Michaels, Edge & Christian, Jericho, Kane, and several others. I guess they didn't want their veterans to be perceived as old. I've always wondered what Jakks did to make their Classic Superstars line a success and why Mattel couldn't duplicate it? IMO, it's just the result of different times, different circumstances. Jakks didn't start their Classics line right away so when they did, they had built up a library of parts to share. Production costs were much cheaper 10 years ago and by recycling bodies, Jakks could crank out figures like crazy. Compare that to now, where you barely have 10 TNA waves in 4 years. In contrast, Mattel was barely starting to make all the tooling for their figures and they focused more on unique body molds so it was a huge start-up cost from the start. Also, Jakks had access to wrestlers that Mattel didn't. TNA contracts in 2010 meant that there was no way to get a solid selection of people like Hogan, Flair, Angle, the Dudleyz, the Hardyz, RVD, Tazz, and many popular Attitude Era wrestlers. Finally, with the dawning of the PG era, a lot of the anything-goes Attitude Era stuff was purposefully dropped by WWE. So, it seems to me that the Legends line was stifled by politics and production barriers of the time, along with a changing of a generation of collectors. Most CS collectors didn't want to jump over to the Legends line at first, so a huge part of the target audience was gone!
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Post by June on Apr 10, 2014 17:08:02 GMT -5
I've always wondered what Jakks did to make their Classic Superstars line a success and why Mattel couldn't duplicate it? Jakks took risks and released an actual legends lineup, mattel would never make a guy like Jack Brisco.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2014 17:33:58 GMT -5
I've always wondered what Jakks did to make their Classic Superstars line a success and why Mattel couldn't duplicate it? Jakks reused the same cheap parts over and over again and just switched out the heads. That helped. Their figures had a lot less articulation. I bet they made more money between production and sale then Mattel did on their legends. They had almost no proportion. Scott Hall was taller than Kevin Nash! Almost every fat guy was the same body with a different head and paint job. If that's what it takes to be successful, I'd rather not have it. Variety is the spice of life.
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