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Post by tripleh23 on Apr 12, 2014 21:28:27 GMT -5
At the time I wasn't really into it and I don't know why. I think I was just a lot more hyped for 20 in comparison to 21. About a year ago I went back and rewatched it and I have to say it is really great. They put a lot of work into the whole Hollywood which was really fun. The card was really good, and boosted the new faces of the company.
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Post by Evil Abed on Apr 13, 2014 0:08:54 GMT -5
Without a doubt in my top 5 Mania's of all time along with 17,19,24 and 30.
Remember watching it live as it was the first PPV I had ever ordered. Its hard to name another Mania with such star power and exciting matches that lived up to the hype. Eddie vs. Rey, Angle vs. Shawn, Taker vs. Orton, MITB 1, even Batista vs. Triple H. I just wish we could forget the trainwreck that was Big Show in a diaper vs. Akebono and how short and unexciting it was to see Cena end JBL's 10 month long reign as WWE champ.
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Post by BrIaNMeRcY on Apr 13, 2014 0:17:27 GMT -5
From what I can remember, I felt this event was pure **** when it happened. I thought John Cena's WWE Championship win was anti-climatic. The only match that sticks out to me was Kurt Angle/Shawn Michaels. I think I am going to watch this with a 26 year old mindset just before WrestleMania XXXI takes place. I will admit that I have not seen WrestleMania 21 in its entirely since it aired live in 2005.
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Post by T on Apr 13, 2014 6:37:24 GMT -5
Ironically, you say it was a rare heel turn for Trish, when she'd in fact turned heel at the previous WM too.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 7:46:31 GMT -5
Very good Mania. I loved the movie scene vignettes. Angle vs. HBK was a dream match come true and Orton really came quite close to beating the streak.
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Post by Kanenite on Apr 13, 2014 9:12:48 GMT -5
The theme of the event/stage etc was awesome. Felt like a big deal.
As for the matches, most of them were great. Didn't care for Christy being Trish's opponent, or Big Show/Akebono but the rest of the card was amazing; especially Taker/Orton and Michaels/Angle. (Eddie/Rey could of been better if Rey didn't have problems with his mask I bet).
I feel that Orton was totally believable against Taker's streak and going into the show I really thought Orton was going to win. That Chokeslam reversal spot seemed like it was the ending and when Taker kicked out I was so shocked. I'm a big Taker fan so it was a nice surprise he won.
Angle/Michaels was the match of the night. I wasn't as invested into it as Taker/Orton because I was curious if the Streak was going to end, but this ended up being the better match. It's honestly one of my favorite WM matches, possibly my very favorite. 5 Star Classic.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Apr 13, 2014 11:41:45 GMT -5
One of my favorite wrestlemanias ever. I remember that I got home late and didn't get to order it until like after the rey/eddie match and MITB. Bought it on dvd though. Love the hussan/hogan segment and angle vs hbk. Undertaker vs Orton was the first time I rooted against the Undertaker at Wrestlemania.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 12:01:54 GMT -5
The Trish heel turn @ WMXX stunned me. I rank it VERY highly.
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Post by mikey1974 on Apr 13, 2014 15:06:26 GMT -5
to be honest,I forgot about her turn on Jericho at WM 20.
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Post by 0,Y on Apr 13, 2014 16:08:14 GMT -5
Angle/HBK to me is the best WrestleMania match of them all. What a masterpiece. The rest of the card was very enjoyable too.
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Post by Jonathan Karate on Apr 13, 2014 17:15:49 GMT -5
I must say that RKO out of the chokeslam was without the doubt the closest I thought the streak came to breaking. I had no doubt in my mind that was it. If only Brock/Taker had one moment that got me that excited.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 21:49:39 GMT -5
Angle vs HBK was the titties. Watched it again today.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2014 22:08:55 GMT -5
Great WrestleMania, loved Angle/Michaels and always will; fantastic match, one of my faves - just wish Angle sold more, especially after the match.
Triple H VS Batista felt like a TV match at times, and the MITB match was good too.
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Post by Mike Giggs' Munchies on Apr 14, 2014 13:11:51 GMT -5
Ended the run of 5 consecutive high quality Mania's (X-7, X-8, XIX, XX, 21) and was always underrated imo due to the 4 that preceded it. Many would argue that it has both the best streak match (or rather did argue until HBK came along anyway) and the best ever WM match in HBK-Angle.
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 15, 2014 0:32:29 GMT -5
I've often referred to this WM as a dark day for WWE. While there were some outstanding matches (HBK vs. Angle, MITB, it also signaled the "Fail" era, led by Cena and Batista. Not only were the title matches poor in wrestling quality, but it became immediately clear that the majority of fans didn't buy into Cena and Batista (or Orton) as main eventers. A year later, the fans were eating Cena alive and actually rooting for the oft-criticized HHH at WM, while Batista was met with ambivalence. Most of the last decade for WWE has been a series of creative botches, and WM 21 is prime example.
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 15, 2014 17:56:22 GMT -5
I've often referred to this WM as a dark day for WWE. While there were some outstanding matches (HBK vs. Angle, MITB, it also signaled the "Fail" era, led by Cena and Batista. Not only were the title matches poor in wrestling quality, but it became immediately clear that the majority of fans didn't buy into Cena and Batista (or Orton) as main eventers. A year later, the fans were eating Cena alive and actually rooting for the oft-criticized HHH at WM, while Batista was met with ambivalence. Most of the last decade for WWE has been a series of creative botches, and WM 21 is prime example. Go back and listen to the pops Batista was getting. The guy was over like crazy from the moment he put HHH through the table until he went down with an injury a year later. Fans loved the guy in 2005. As for Orton the issue was more so the crappy booking to turn him face in 2004 than anything else that made him loose his moment. As for Cena it was stripping him of the traits that made him unique in '03/04 and turning him into "Superman." But they certainly didn't fail on top. 2005 was a far more entertaining year than 2004 and '06-09. |
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Post by Emerald Enthusiast on Apr 16, 2014 0:04:45 GMT -5
I've often referred to this WM as a dark day for WWE. While there were some outstanding matches (HBK vs. Angle, MITB, it also signaled the "Fail" era, led by Cena and Batista. Not only were the title matches poor in wrestling quality, but it became immediately clear that the majority of fans didn't buy into Cena and Batista (or Orton) as main eventers. A year later, the fans were eating Cena alive and actually rooting for the oft-criticized HHH at WM, while Batista was met with ambivalence. Most of the last decade for WWE has been a series of creative botches, and WM 21 is prime example. Go back and listen to the pops Batista was getting. The guy was over like crazy from the moment he put HHH through the table until he went down with an injury a year later. Fans loved the guy in 2005. As for Orton the issue was more so the crappy booking to turn him face in 2004 than anything else that made him loose his moment. As for Cena it was stripping him of the traits that made him unique in '03/04 and turning him into "Superman." But they certainly didn't fail on top. 2005 was a far more entertaining year than 2004 and '06-09. 2004 is part of the Fail era as well. RAW was regularly getting 5s and sometimes 6s in the rating shares in the late 90s, but only pulling in low 4s and 3s by the mid-2000s. WWE has been in a downward spiral in popularity every since. The pops for Batista in '05 were lukewarm and just a couple of years later at WM, the crowd cheered for Umaga over him. Cena, Orton, and Batista were all better off as mid-carders. Hopefully, some of the current talents like Daniel Bryan, who gets across-the-board pops like none of the Fail era guys could dream of, can reignite interest in WWE for new fans or ones who left in the mid-2000s. |
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Post by cordless2016 on Apr 16, 2014 12:40:26 GMT -5
Go back and listen to the pops Batista was getting. The guy was over like crazy from the moment he put HHH through the table until he went down with an injury a year later. Fans loved the guy in 2005. As for Orton the issue was more so the crappy booking to turn him face in 2004 than anything else that made him loose his moment. As for Cena it was stripping him of the traits that made him unique in '03/04 and turning him into "Superman." But they certainly didn't fail on top. 2005 was a far more entertaining year than 2004 and '06-09. 2004 is part of the Fail era as well. RAW was regularly getting 5s and sometimes 6s in the rating shares in the late 90s, but only pulling in low 4s and 3s by the mid-2000s. WWE has been in a downward spiral in popularity every since. The pops for Batista in '05 were lukewarm and just a couple of years later at WM, the crowd cheered for Umaga over him. Cena, Orton, and Batista were all better off as mid-carders. Hopefully, some of the current talents like Daniel Bryan, who gets across-the-board pops like none of the Fail era guys could dream of, can reignite interest in WWE for new fans or ones who left in the mid-2000s. Not fair to compare them to the attitude era when wrestling was big in the main stream media at the time. I'd blame it more on the cycles in wrestling and the bad writing than the top stars. And batista's pops were huge in 2005. Can't only go by ratings to determine if an era is "fail" or not. |
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