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Post by BØRNS on Apr 28, 2014 23:06:09 GMT -5
Watching Ziggler's segment from Raw really reminded me of how much I see Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels in him. It's so sad that he's getting overseen with everyone on the roster, especially since he's been with WWE for nearly 10 years!!!
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Post by IRS on Apr 28, 2014 23:10:37 GMT -5
It's truly horrible how he is being booked.
I wonder if things would've been any different if he hadn't gotten that concussion last year. It's possible that he could've gotten a MUCH better reign as WHC, and atleast been on a similar level to Sheamus.
He's one of those guys that is suffering the most from the title unification.
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Post by Word™ on Apr 28, 2014 23:15:05 GMT -5
I think he's over it...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 23:34:42 GMT -5
That segment reminded you of Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels?
Uhh. Ok. I guess.
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Post by rustyy on Apr 28, 2014 23:35:41 GMT -5
In what way? Definitely not mic skills of Jericho or ability to have motn every night. They are all small guys? I don't get it when people say he's like some god. He deserves where he is now.
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Post by ztj_wwf on Apr 28, 2014 23:40:32 GMT -5
He's good, but for the love of god don't compare him to Jericho and Michaels.
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Post by BØRNS on Apr 28, 2014 23:48:32 GMT -5
That segment reminded you of Chris Jericho and Shawn Michaels? Uhh. Ok. I guess. Ziggler is very good on the mic, and that's probably the longest time they've ever given him on Raw. I'm talking about right before he introduced Hugh, not necessarily what happened after. |
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Post by Ian from 616Entertainment. on Apr 29, 2014 0:17:22 GMT -5
Honestly, I do too. Wrestling has always been secondary to him. I think he's been there, knows he can go, and is now thinking "Alright, you're going to go with them over me? Fine, whatever." That's where my respect for guys like Punk comes in. "Alright, you're going to go with them over me?  you, I can run circles around him. this." |
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Post by BØRNS on Apr 29, 2014 0:18:20 GMT -5
In what way? Definitely not mic skills of Jericho or ability to have motn every night. They are all small guys? I don't get it when people say he's like some god. He deserves where he is now. Ziggler's mannerisms and idiosyncrasies in the ring are spot-on to Shawn Michaels. Ziggler's style is just reminiscent of Jericho, you don't see it? |
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Post by rustyy on Apr 29, 2014 0:22:33 GMT -5
In what way? Definitely not mic skills of Jericho or ability to have motn every night. They are all small guys? I don't get it when people say he's like some god. He deserves where he is now. Ziggler's mannerisms and idiosyncrasies in the ring are spot-on to Shawn Michaels. Ziggler's style is just reminiscent of Jericho, you don't see it? Him jobbing reminds me of Jericho lol. I kinda sorta get what you're saying about HBK but I personally wouldn't have drawn that comparison. I think he's good, not great and he comes off real awkward on the mic. Btw, if he had an attitude he'd be a lot higher on WWE's list of people to push, look at top guys before, Stone Cold, Michaels, Trips, etc etc. If he'd take a look at what the problem is (Constant bad mouthing of Cena, comes off like a bitter smark) then he'd be doing better as well. That being said, people that need an attitude are Sandow and Barrett. Both should have been world champs by now. |
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Post by Word™ on Apr 29, 2014 1:08:05 GMT -5
Ziggler's mannerisms and idiosyncrasies in the ring are spot-on to Shawn Michaels. Ziggler's style is just reminiscent of Jericho, you don't see it? I kinda sorta get what you're saying about HBK but I personally wouldn't have drawn that comparison. I think he's good, not great and he comes off real awkward on the mic. Btw, if he had an attitude he'd be a lot higher on WWE's list of people to push, look at top guys before, Stone Cold, Michaels, Trips, etc etc. If he'd take a look at what the problem is (Constant bad mouthing of Cena, comes off like a bitter smark) then he'd be doing better as well. That being said, people that need an attitude are Sandow and Barrett. Both should have been world champs by now. I really wonder if you even know what you're saying sometimes. |
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Post by rustyy on Apr 29, 2014 1:14:37 GMT -5
Him jobbing reminds me of Jericho lol. I kinda sorta get what you're saying about HBK but I personally wouldn't have drawn that comparison. I think he's good, not great and he comes off real awkward on the mic. Btw, if he had an attitude he'd be a lot higher on WWE's list of people to push, look at top guys before, Stone Cold, Michaels, Trips, etc etc. If he'd take a look at what the problem is (Constant bad mouthing of Cena, comes off like a bitter smark) then he'd be doing better as well. That being said, people that need an attitude are Sandow and Barrett. Both should have been world champs by now. I really wonder if you even know what you're saying sometimes. It was a joke, calm down. And it's not like I'm wrong, the last year or so of Jericho he's won like 5 matches. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 2:41:50 GMT -5
Ziggler is like a smaller Billy Gunn, but not as good.
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Post by Midnight on Apr 29, 2014 13:34:16 GMT -5
It's true that Ziggler deserves better but he is not on the level of Michaels or Jericho, sorry. If your gonna ask me why:
-Needs to improve talking, he screams to be serious but says nothing that interesting
-Needs a personality, needs to do the Show Off thing a lot more
-Not sure he has "IT"
Just my opinion, nothing to take away from his talent.
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Post by Sleazyness on Apr 29, 2014 14:01:15 GMT -5
I agree that he is overlooked, but he is not anywhere near the likes of my favorite, Jericho or Shawn Michaels. Michaels is arguably the greatest
of all-time in the ring. Dolph has charisma, he can wrestle, but he needs to be more there as far as the mic work goes. He's energetic, but I feel
like "Okay?" after he is done on the mic.
Good wrestler, being misused.
Sandow is being misused also.
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Post by punksnotdead on Apr 29, 2014 14:33:03 GMT -5
Where are you getting Jericho from? Rick Rude, Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels, I see all those guys in him but Jericho? Not even a little.
He seems to be sticking his head out of the dog house recently and that has me excited. I'm just hoping for a solid IC Title reign in the near future.
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Post by June on Apr 29, 2014 14:44:54 GMT -5
Horrible comparison, only thing they have in common is the fact that they are male, Caucasian, wrestlers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 17:13:46 GMT -5
You can see it in guys like Zigs and Wade Barrett. They have that IT factor about them. They can be given total *hit and make it interesting and give it their best. Zigglar was in a total crap segment last night and he was just oozing with confidence. I was watching thinking he knows he's better than this crap and he's letting the higher ups know it. He can be told he's going out to job to Curtis Axel, and he could get his ass kicked in the match and literally make the match worth watching. That takes some skill
I totally see the Jericho comparisons. He made any crappy angle or match interesting back in WCW. It was amazing
And Barrett can be on the silliest segment or forced junk and go out there and just be confident as ever. He is a natural on the mic and has been since day one
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 20:47:31 GMT -5
Ziggler is like a smaller Billy Gunn, but not as good. I though we were over this comparison 2 years ago.....  |
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Post by rustyy on Apr 29, 2014 20:50:16 GMT -5
Ziggler is like a smaller Billy Gunn, but not as good. I though we were over this comparison 2 years ago..... It's true though lol, if you get Dolph a Road Dogg like partner they'd be twins. Speaking of that, Dolph would make a good tag team guy. |
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