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Post by JokerFC on Jul 27, 2016 6:01:48 GMT -5
So, initial reviews are in for the animated Killing Joke movie. Apparently, it's getting reactions ranging from "meh" to nerd outrage. I've seen more than one person say they didn't even really understand why it was rated R. The biggest sticking point is apparently: Batman and Batgirl have sex at some point in the movie Oh dear........I'm afraid I wont be having any of that. The Killing Joke ranks high amongst my favourites and that it awful to hear. My friend Mairead was looking forward to this for so long......and she was crushed with disappointment. She was telling me last Sunday she cant believe how badly it missed. She didn't mention the above but she also had no idea why it was R-Rated.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 27, 2016 6:27:30 GMT -5
My bro saw The Killing Joke last night and agreed with the reviews....very disappointing.
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Post by Word™ on Jul 27, 2016 8:43:30 GMT -5
LOL.
How do you mess up such a thing as a Batman cartoon?? I thought DC's animation's were top notch!
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Post by Joe Magnet on Jul 27, 2016 10:45:20 GMT -5
***SPOILERS FOR THE KILLING JOKE*** So I saw it Monday night and here's my thoughts:
-It starts off as a Batgirl story. Since the book was only a single issue, they needing something else to put in here. so they put a little backstory for Batgirl.
-Her story was lackluster, to say the least. She was told not to go after this guy by Batman, she did anyways. It was starting to get kind of annoying, to be honest. He constantly told her to stop and she didn't.
-She confronts Batman and starts throwing punches and kicks and eventually he stumbles and she lands on him. They instantly start making out and it leads to sex. Kind of a WTF moment. That's Tim's girl!
-After her storyline ends it goes directly into The Killing Joke and literally from then on it's perfect. I loved the flashbacks because you really can tell that these are two different people. The Gordon coaster scene in particular was amazing. They made the song that The Joker sang and it wasn't out of character at all.
-It's really just the first "half" that everybody's freaking out about. When it goes into adaptation it gets really good.
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Post by TheLastDude on Jul 27, 2016 15:12:52 GMT -5
LOL. How do you mess up such a thing as a Batman cartoon?? I thought DC's animation's were top notch! From what I gathered from reading a transcript of a panel that had Timm, Azzarello, and some others on it...(I guess it was at SDCC)...was the original book was too short to do as a feature length, so they decided to pad out the movie with a lead-in from Batgirl's perspective. That's where it fell short. And you're right! So far, I haven't seen any DC animated movies that I haven't liked. Some may have not been as good as others, but none of them were outright bad...
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Post by hbkjason on Jul 28, 2016 4:12:23 GMT -5
I am a huge fan of the DC animated movies, but The Killing Joke really fell flat for me. If it was not for the sex scene I do not think there would be much buzz about it at all as the movie was average at best. To be fair I am not a huge fan of the book. First time I read it my step father wanted to know what I thought of the ending and to be honest the first time I read it (I was 14) I never really thought nothing of it. It just kind of ended for me. I know some people love to debate the ending of The Killing Joke and if Batman did in fact kill The Joker, but first time I read it, it just kind of ended for me and I was like, meh!
I do not know if it is because I am older, because I have read the book a couple of times or just because I went in feeling like this time I am going to have an opinion. But after experiencing this I think that he did not kill the Joker. My buddy I watched it with though is adamant that he did, due to all the killing talk leading up to the end scene.
So yeah sorry for the long ramble. But I just wanted to give my thoughts. The sex scene while very, very odd is not as shocking or even degrading to Batgirl as some of these people are making out. As I said, without this there really is not a whole lot that you will remember from the movie.
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Post by JokerFC on Jul 28, 2016 5:59:08 GMT -5
It is pretty well established that Batman didn't kill Joker at the end of Killing Joke. The events of it are referenced in "Death in the Family" where somebody(from the Superhero community) tells Batman that everybody is still looking for Joker after what he did to Barbara.
So that particular debate has always left me with more questions marks than the Riddler.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2016 16:00:55 GMT -5
Have seen a report from someone who talked to another person that had seen Suicide Squad and they said it wasn't very good. Obviously it's just one persons opinion, but I hope this movie doesn't bomb.
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Post by cordless2016 on Jul 30, 2016 16:28:15 GMT -5
Have seen a report from someone who talked to another person that had seen Suicide Squad and they said it wasn't very good. Obviously it's just one persons opinion, but I hope this movie doesn't bomb. I'm a comic fan so I hope it does well but WB/DC haven't given us any reason to believe that it will. I see it doing similar to BvS; it'll make a lot of $ but come up short of expectations and be critically panned by critics and fans alike.
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Post by marino13 on Jul 30, 2016 18:48:59 GMT -5
Fair or not, I think Suicide Squad has a lot of pressure on it's back. This new DC Universe has put out two movies, and neither were very good IMO. And at this point it seems as all that blame is going towards Snyder. But you can't blame Snyder if SS isn't very good. If it sucks, then all the blame is going all on the studio. And that won't bode well for the Justice League or WW.
I honestly don't know what WB will do if Suicide Squad, WW, & Justice League doesn't blow the fans and critics out of the water. You'd think they have too much lined up to scrap it and start over. And if they just keep going, the number will dwindle more and more each film. Even the good films will suffer.
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Post by Darkhawk on Jul 30, 2016 19:14:29 GMT -5
Tyrone Magnus on youtube overheard from someone who to got to see an early release of Suicide Squad and said it sucked. He's not a huge fanboy or anything, but he said he didn't enjoy the film and said WOW was much better which isn't saying much.
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Post by TheLastDude on Jul 30, 2016 19:40:10 GMT -5
Didn't pretty much everyone hate WOW though?
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 30, 2016 20:12:17 GMT -5
Fair or not, I think Suicide Squad has a lot of pressure on it's back. This new DC Universe has put out two movies, and neither were very good IMO. And at this point it seems as all that blame is going towards Snyder. But you can't blame Snyder if SS isn't very good. If it sucks, then all the blame is going all on the studio. And that won't bode well for the Justice League or WW. I honestly don't know what WB will do if Suicide Squad, WW, & Justice League doesn't blow the fans and critics out of the water. You'd think they have too much lined up to scrap it and start over. And if they just keep going, the number will dwindle more and more each film. Even the good films will suffer. They've all been really profitable though... honestly, they can all get 20% ratings on Rotten Tomatoes but if they're making $600M and up (BTW, I expect Suicide Squad to make a little less than that worldwide, but it's a much lower-budgeted blockbuster) Warner Brothers isn't going to care. Despite the fact that Man of Steel and Batman V Superman have both been underwhelming both critically and financially, they've both done fairly well at the box office and have made a killing in merchandising. BVS in particular is apparently selling at record-setting paces. I wouldn't be shocked if DCEU used this as some sort of template as far as the R-rated cuts are concerned (though I personally don't think any of these characters really belong in R-rated movies). Hell, they just formally created DC Films in May so I think it would take a series of box office failures for them to scrap this universe after all of the work and money that's been invested in it. And FWIW I agree that so far, the DCEU is more or less 0/2 (though the Ultimate Edition of BVS is a marginal improvement over the theatrical cut, and there have been a couple of fan edits that are better than that too) so it would bode well for this series if they were able to squeak by with a well-reviewed movie.
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Post by Word™ on Jul 31, 2016 2:31:53 GMT -5
That would be crazy if Suicide Squad ends up being bad.. Even though I've lost hope in the DC Universe, I secretly want Suicide Squad to not be terrible so I can go see it..
But man, if it DOES get blasted by critics. No clue what to think at that point..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 4:00:36 GMT -5
Apparently Tyler Hoechlin (Teen Wolf, Hall Pass) is Superman in the CW series 'Supergirl'. He's pretty short though, eh?
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Post by johnnyb on Jul 31, 2016 18:11:50 GMT -5
Apparently Tyler Hoechlin (Teen Wolf, Hall Pass) is Superman in the CW series 'Supergirl'. He's pretty short though, eh? I don't mind Superman being shorter/average height (I've always thought he should look like an everyman, with a swimmer's build instead of being a 6'3" adonis) but that costume is hot garbage. To me, especially since this Superman is some sort of Flashpoint version, they should have brought back Tom Welling.
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Post by Cameron Stone on Jul 31, 2016 18:40:31 GMT -5
For a tv production the costume is fine
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2016 18:55:22 GMT -5
Apparently Tyler Hoechlin (Teen Wolf, Hall Pass) is Superman in the CW series 'Supergirl'. He's pretty short though, eh? I don't mind Superman being shorter/average height (I've always thought he should look like an everyman, with a swimmer's build instead of being a 6'3" adonis) but that costume is hot garbage. To me, especially since this Superman is some sort of Flashpoint version, they should have brought back Tom Welling. He looks kind of squashed, for some reason. At least to me.
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Post by Word™ on Aug 1, 2016 0:34:22 GMT -5
Superman should definitely be 6'3" range and built..
He should also be handsome.
That guy above is pretty "blah".
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2016 6:14:02 GMT -5
Superman should definitely be 6'3" range and built.. He should also be handsome. That guy above is pretty "blah". 'Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all...nothing at all...nothing at all...'
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