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Post by JokerFC on Dec 15, 2016 6:27:16 GMT -5
I enjoyed Suicide Squad too man and I'm looking forward to seeing the directors cut. Is there much extra Joker? It feels like there is significantly more Joker in it but probably not as much as you would think originally going into it. It didnt feel like he was apart of the movie in the theatrical cut but the extended version it makes it seem like he's more present. Im still not a fan of Leto though as the Joker. There was a scene in the movie and he just had the sound and facial expression of Jim Carry from The Mask. Also just saw a picture of Megan Fox as a red head wearing green as she's rumored to be pitching to play Poison Ivy...Megan Fox + red hair = cheers man!!!
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 16, 2016 11:29:41 GMT -5
Megan Fox would be a terrible Poison Ivy. I don't care how good she looks in the outfit or how much she wants to play her, that's a Batman & Robin, late 90s, type of casting move. She sucks at acting. DC, for all of their faults right now, do a good job casting actors who largely have talent. I'm hoping for someone like Even Rachel Wood or Bryce Dallas Howard. The idea of a Gotham Sirens film really intrigues me though because I want to see Catwoman done well after she was totally wasted in TDKR.
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Post by Hem-Ridge on Dec 16, 2016 11:43:38 GMT -5
Megan Fox would be a terrible Poison Ivy. I don't care how good she looks in the outfit or how much she wants to play her, that's a Batman & Robin, late 90s, type of casting move. She sucks at acting. DC, for all of their faults right now, do a good job casting actors who largely have talent. I'm hoping for someone like Even Rachel Wood or Bryce Dallas Howard. The idea of a Gotham Sirens film really intrigues me though because I want to see Catwoman done well after she was totally wasted in TDKR. Explain Gal Gadot then.
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Post by JokerFC on Dec 16, 2016 18:56:37 GMT -5
Megan Fox would be a terrible Poison Ivy. I don't care how good she looks in the outfit or how much she wants to play her, that's a Batman & Robin, late 90s, type of casting move. She sucks at acting. DC, for all of their faults right now, do a good job casting actors who largely have talent. I'm hoping for someone like Even Rachel Wood or Bryce Dallas Howard. The idea of a Gotham Sirens film really intrigues me though because I want to see Catwoman done well after she was totally wasted in TDKR. Explain Gal Gadot then. There's no explaining that......not in my book anyway.
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Post by johnnyb on Dec 17, 2016 4:17:19 GMT -5
I think Gal was good in BVS, the bigger problem is that almost everything about that movie was awful, save for a handful of things. And while I wouldn't consider her an elite caliber actress, I certainly think she has the charisma and screen presence to own the role for years to come. Where some segments of audiences have a hard time connecting with her so with her accent, which I would agree is pretty thick, bordering on prohibitively thick. But her role isn't Shakespeare... to me the credibility of her physicality is more important to me than her ability to deliver expository dialogue. But that's just me and I get where people are coming from when they don't care for her.
What I will say is that my five-year-old daughter is obsessed with her and didn't really believe in female superheroes until BVS. And that goes a long way with me.
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Post by hbkjason on Dec 17, 2016 6:12:05 GMT -5
I really like Megan Fox and think that she would be a great Poison Ivy so I actually hope it happens. I really do not get the hate at all. People act like anything to do with Batman should be only done by Shakespearean type actors...... and we have those pretentious Nolan Batman movies to thank for that. I just want a fun Batman movie and none of this up its own ass stuff that the Nolan movies suffered from. I honestly think the tone of Suicide Squad is the right direction to go in. Batman though is one of those characters that has so many incarnations that it is really hard to please everybody.
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Post by punksnotdead on Dec 17, 2016 7:34:28 GMT -5
Gal was great in BvS. One of the very few highlights of that film imo.
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Post by IRS on Dec 17, 2016 9:16:57 GMT -5
Megan Fox being Poison Ivy is a horrifying thought. A great casting choice for the eventual Vivid parody, but not for the DCEU.
I also thought Gal was pretty good in BvS. Not to the extent some people were gushing when it was released, but she definitely won me over.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 17, 2016 20:33:39 GMT -5
Fox as Ivy would be one of DCs worst moves yet.
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Post by JokerFC on Dec 18, 2016 9:58:56 GMT -5
I think Gal was good in BVS, the bigger problem is that almost everything about that movie was awful, save for a handful of things. And while I wouldn't consider her an elite caliber actress, I certainly think she has the charisma and screen presence to own the role for years to come. Where some segments of audiences have a hard time connecting with her so with her accent, which I would agree is pretty thick, bordering on prohibitively thick. But her role isn't Shakespeare... to me the credibility of her physicality is more important to me than her ability to deliver expository dialogue. But that's just me and I get where people are coming from when they don't care for her. What I will say is that my five-year-old daughter is obsessed with her and didn't really believe in female superheroes until BVS. And that goes a long way with me. well written post Batfleck . I was vehemently opposed to her casting as WW and while BvS didn't win me over? It eased my concerns a touch. But I still thought she struggled hugely with regular scenes of dialogue. Putting Pine with her was a smart move for her own movie in my book and hopefully(and I do mean that) she does a lot better there and in Justice League.
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Post by Word™ on Dec 19, 2016 9:28:12 GMT -5
I'm more concerned with Ezra Miller, honestly.. Fan of his previous works and absolutely disliking everything I've seen him do so far as Flash.
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Dec 20, 2016 18:34:29 GMT -5
I'm kind of new to the DCCU. I haven't read all through here yet so sorry if this has been said time and again
I watched Suicide Squad over the weekend. I thought it was absolutely terrible. And I'm not a film snob by any means. I actually really liked BvS and kind of liked Man of Steel. Not sure if there is more than those three movies in the DCCU or not. That was one of my questions
Then the other is a comment about the Joker from SS. Please for the love of God, don't let this be the version. That stays with us for multiple films. I like Leto in other films, but I thought this was a complete joke. Was thinking maybe they could pull a Norton/Ruffalo Hulk or something like Marvel did. Honestly the only part of SS I enjoyed was Deadshot (kind of!) and looking at Harley Quinn Hated everything else about it
Anyway I guess I'll see how Wonder Woman turns out. I don't hat GG like everyone else seems to
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 20, 2016 18:40:57 GMT -5
I'm more concerned with Ezra Miller, honestly.. Fan of his previous works and absolutely disliking everything I've seen him do so far as Flash. I really really really really hate what Ive seen from Miller as The Flash. I realize its not much but Jesus he just looks and acts so awful. He comes off as acting feminine I guess you'd say. As a person I mean there's nothing wrong with that but you're playing a character that is very very far from that.
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Post by JokerFC on Dec 21, 2016 3:07:05 GMT -5
I'm kind of new to the DCCU. I haven't read all through here yet so sorry if this has been said time and again I watched Suicide Squad over the weekend. I thought it was absolutely terrible. And I'm not a film snob by any means. I actually really liked BvS and kind of liked Man of Steel. Not sure if there is more than those three movies in the DCCU or not. That was one of my questions Then the other is a comment about the Joker from SS. Please for the love of God, don't let this be the version. That stays with us for multiple films. I like Leto in other films, but I thought this was a complete joke. Was thinking maybe they could pull a Norton/Ruffalo Hulk or something like Marvel did. Honestly the only part of SS I enjoyed was Deadshot (kind of!) and looking at Harley Quinn Hated everything else about it Anyway I guess I'll see how Wonder Woman turns out. I don't hat GG like everyone else seems to I really enjoyed MOS and to this day the hatred over the ending still confuses me. To me its still the best entry in the DCCU so far. BvS was bloated to me BUT there was plenty to enjoy as well as dislike. I will judge further when I see the extended cut over Christmas. Suicide Squad to me was hit and miss. I enjoyed Harley & Joker and I was prepped going in for Smith not to make any attempt at being a great Deadshot at all......so to me it was good sauce. Further judgement will come when I see the extended cut over Christmas. Leto as Joker pleased me- and that's coming from a HUGE Joker mark. Far too many people expected him to be Ledger. Ledgers Joker was fine and all but quite honestly? Its chronically overrated just like Nolan's bat movies(which I enjoy btw)and Nolan himself. Jacks Joker is still the king. O Neill's murderous clown that crippled Batgirl and Killed Robin come to life. Also the recasting of the Hulk/Banner with Ruffalo from Norton isn't really a suitable comparison for me.....they were recasting the Hulk withing a cinematic universe. Letos Joker was never intended to be anything to do with Nolans versions.....and Ayer was right to try make the character more like the Comics. Although many will argue about how successful he was.
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 21, 2016 7:38:24 GMT -5
I'm kind of new to the DCCU. I haven't read all through here yet so sorry if this has been said time and again I watched Suicide Squad over the weekend. I thought it was absolutely terrible. And I'm not a film snob by any means. I actually really liked BvS and kind of liked Man of Steel. Not sure if there is more than those three movies in the DCCU or not. That was one of my questions Then the other is a comment about the Joker from SS. Please for the love of God, don't let this be the version. That stays with us for multiple films. I like Leto in other films, but I thought this was a complete joke. Was thinking maybe they could pull a Norton/Ruffalo Hulk or something like Marvel did. Honestly the only part of SS I enjoyed was Deadshot (kind of!) and looking at Harley Quinn Hated everything else about it Anyway I guess I'll see how Wonder Woman turns out. I don't hat GG like everyone else seems to I really enjoyed MOS and to this day the hatred over the ending still confuses me. To me its still the best entry in the DCCU so far. BvS was bloated to me BUT there was plenty to enjoy as well as dislike. I will judge further when I see the extended cut over Christmas. Suicide Squad to me was hit and miss. I enjoyed Harley & Joker and I was prepped going in for Smith not to make any attempt at being a great Deadshot at all......so to me it was good sauce. Further judgement will come when I see the extended cut over Christmas. Leto as Joker pleased me- and that's coming from a HUGE Joker mark. Far too many people expected him to be Ledger. Ledgers Joker was fine and all but quite honestly? Its chronically overrated just like Nolan's bat movies(which I enjoy btw)and Nolan himself. Jacks Joker is still the king. O Neill's murderous clown that crippled Batgirl and Killed Robin come to life. Also the recasting of the Hulk/Banner with Ruffalo from Norton isn't really a suitable comparison for me.....they were recasting the Hulk withing a cinematic universe. Letos Joker was never intended to be anything to do with Nolans versions.....and Ayer was right to try make the character more like the Comics. Although many will argue about how successful he was. Glad to see someone else share my feelings on the Nolan films. Yes Ledger was great but there's so many other versions of the Joker. The fact that people wanted the character to be retired on film because Ledger died showed how delusional people are about this character. I liked Heath but have always preferred Jack's Joker over his. Leto was fine to me. I can't judge him really because we saw maybe a total of 8 minutes of him. And going by what he says, WB cut his scenes to shreds. People need to see him be the main antagonist in a movie before making a final verdict on him.
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Post by JokerFC on Dec 21, 2016 8:00:34 GMT -5
I really enjoyed MOS and to this day the hatred over the ending still confuses me. To me its still the best entry in the DCCU so far. BvS was bloated to me BUT there was plenty to enjoy as well as dislike. I will judge further when I see the extended cut over Christmas. Suicide Squad to me was hit and miss. I enjoyed Harley & Joker and I was prepped going in for Smith not to make any attempt at being a great Deadshot at all......so to me it was good sauce. Further judgement will come when I see the extended cut over Christmas. Leto as Joker pleased me- and that's coming from a HUGE Joker mark. Far too many people expected him to be Ledger. Ledgers Joker was fine and all but quite honestly? Its chronically overrated just like Nolan's bat movies(which I enjoy btw)and Nolan himself. Jacks Joker is still the king. O Neill's murderous clown that crippled Batgirl and Killed Robin come to life. Also the recasting of the Hulk/Banner with Ruffalo from Norton isn't really a suitable comparison for me.....they were recasting the Hulk withing a cinematic universe. Letos Joker was never intended to be anything to do with Nolans versions.....and Ayer was right to try make the character more like the Comics. Although many will argue about how successful he was. Glad to see someone else share my feelings on the Nolan films. Yes Ledger was great but there's so many other versions of the Joker. The fact that people wanted the character to be retired on film because Ledger died showed how delusional people are about this character. I liked Heath but have always preferred Jack's Joker over his. Leto was fine to me. I can't judge him really because we saw maybe a total of 8 minutes of him. And going by what he says, WB cut his scenes to shreds. People need to see him be the main antagonist in a movie before making a final verdict on him. Agreed. The kind of Bat fan created by TDK hysteria are unbearable. Thankfully the day when asscrack Bob and the others who used to try and bully you off this board if you didn't watch TDK 8 times a day (then rub one out over Nolan) are gone. I enjoy Nolans movies a lot btw....but they aren't the masterpieces(IMHO) that many proclaim them to be. In many places Nolan is quite lazy.....the realistic stylings that are so heavily praised are a clever disguise for this. back OT? No we cant(and shouldn't) judge Leto yet we have seen far too little of him in the role. IMO? he showed flashes of brilliance in the movie......and only a movie with him as the main antagonist will confirm whether we love or hate him. I suspect I will love him though as I already enjoyed him a lot in Suicide Squad.
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Post by Mox on Dec 21, 2016 9:50:06 GMT -5
When I see a new JL pic is online. I've abandoned all hope. There's no fixing what is already broken.
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Post by 'Exotic' Adrian Street on Dec 21, 2016 9:58:26 GMT -5
Glad to see someone else share my feelings on the Nolan films. Yes Ledger was great but there's so many other versions of the Joker. The fact that people wanted the character to be retired on film because Ledger died showed how delusional people are about this character. I liked Heath but have always preferred Jack's Joker over his. Leto was fine to me. I can't judge him really because we saw maybe a total of 8 minutes of him. And going by what he says, WB cut his scenes to shreds. People need to see him be the main antagonist in a movie before making a final verdict on him. Agreed. The kind of Bat fan created by TDK hysteria are unbearable. Thankfully the day when asscrack Bob and the others who used to try and bully you off this board if you didn't watch TDK 8 times a day (then rub one out over Nolan) are gone. I enjoy Nolans movies a lot btw....but they aren't the masterpieces(IMHO) that many proclaim them to be. In many places Nolan is quite lazy.....the realistic stylings that are so heavily praised are a clever disguise for this. back OT? No we cant(and shouldn't) judge Leto yet we have seen far too little of him in the role. IMO? he showed flashes of brilliance in the movie......and only a movie with him as the main antagonist will confirm whether we love or hate him. I suspect I will love him though as I already enjoyed him a lot in Suicide Squad. I understand everybody has different opinions (I love Thor TDW and hate Dr Strange, so I'm usually in the minority LOL), but I'm just curios to see where you're coming from I love Batman Begins, love TDK even more and rises is ok to me. To me Ledger portrait the Joker as I always have thought of him. Insane, ultra violent, scarred and just doesn't GAF. I also loved Jacks Joker Hell I love Jerome on Gotham, if he is in fact the Joker. This is nothing against Leto really, I've liked him since the show with Claire Daines back in the day This SS version was just too much for me. A Joker that has a gold grill, in VIP with his girl, a purple Lambo?, looking ridiculous as hell. It really makes me want to forget this version of a character that I have been obsessed with since I was 5 years old Like I said, I'd just like to hear the positive POV for those who liked the SS Joker
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Post by cordless2016 on Dec 21, 2016 19:25:16 GMT -5
Agreed. The kind of Bat fan created by TDK hysteria are unbearable. Thankfully the day when asscrack Bob and the others who used to try and bully you off this board if you didn't watch TDK 8 times a day (then rub one out over Nolan) are gone. I enjoy Nolans movies a lot btw....but they aren't the masterpieces(IMHO) that many proclaim them to be. In many places Nolan is quite lazy.....the realistic stylings that are so heavily praised are a clever disguise for this. back OT? No we cant(and shouldn't) judge Leto yet we have seen far too little of him in the role. IMO? he showed flashes of brilliance in the movie......and only a movie with him as the main antagonist will confirm whether we love or hate him. I suspect I will love him though as I already enjoyed him a lot in Suicide Squad. I understand everybody has different opinions (I love Thor TDW and hate Dr Strange, so I'm usually in the minority LOL), but I'm just curios to see where you're coming from I love Batman Begins, love TDK even more and rises is ok to me. To me Ledger portrait the Joker as I always have thought of him. Insane, ultra violent, scarred and just doesn't GAF. I also loved Jacks Joker Hell I love Jerome on Gotham, if he is in fact the Joker. This is nothing against Leto really, I've liked him since the show with Claire Daines back in the day This SS version was just too much for me. A Joker that has a gold grill, in VIP with his girl, a purple Lambo?, looking ridiculous as hell. It really makes me want to forget this version of a character that I have been obsessed with since I was 5 years old Like I said, I'd just like to hear the positive POV for those who liked the SS Joker It was definatly a much different take on the Joker physically, with the grills, tattoos, flashy clothes and jewelry, etc... but personality wise, he shares a lot with Jack and Ledger. Leto's Joker was a mob boss and had a whole army of men at his disposal, just like Nicholson. They gave the impression that Leto's version rose up in the crime ranks to become the "kingpin" of Gotham, which again is similar to Jack's portrayal and the initial version of the character in detective comics. Hell he had a big enough army to hijack a military airplane to try and get Harley back. Like you said, Ledger just didn't give a f***. He just wanted to cause chaos. We see him off mob bosses out of nowhere. Leto did as well, as we see him off the mob boss played by Comon for seemingly refusing his offer of Harley. Now Leto's version did show an interest in fashion and status, unlike Ledger, but he similarities are there. Now I know a lot of people didn't like SS and that's cool. I was in the middle with it. I just feel like we need more than 7-8 minutes of Leto before writing him off as at times he did entertain me.
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Post by Nivro™ on Dec 21, 2016 20:03:45 GMT -5
I'm kind of new to the DCCU. I haven't read all through here yet so sorry if this has been said time and again I watched Suicide Squad over the weekend. I thought it was absolutely terrible. And I'm not a film snob by any means. I actually really liked BvS and kind of liked Man of Steel. Not sure if there is more than those three movies in the DCCU or not. That was one of my questions Then the other is a comment about the Joker from SS. Please for the love of God, don't let this be the version. That stays with us for multiple films. I like Leto in other films, but I thought this was a complete joke. Was thinking maybe they could pull a Norton/Ruffalo Hulk or something like Marvel did. Honestly the only part of SS I enjoyed was Deadshot (kind of!) and looking at Harley Quinn Hated everything else about it Anyway I guess I'll see how Wonder Woman turns out. I don't hat GG like everyone else seems to I really enjoyed MOS and to this day the hatred over the ending still confuses me. To me its still the best entry in the DCCU so far. BvS was bloated to me BUT there was plenty to enjoy as well as dislike. I will judge further when I see the extended cut over Christmas. Suicide Squad to me was hit and miss. I enjoyed Harley & Joker and I was prepped going in for Smith not to make any attempt at being a great Deadshot at all......so to me it was good sauce. Further judgement will come when I see the extended cut over Christmas. Leto as Joker pleased me- and that's coming from a HUGE Joker mark. Far too many people expected him to be Ledger. Ledgers Joker was fine and all but quite honestly? Its chronically overrated just like Nolan's bat movies(which I enjoy btw)and Nolan himself. Jacks Joker is still the king. O Neill's murderous clown that crippled Batgirl and Killed Robin come to life. Also the recasting of the Hulk/Banner with Ruffalo from Norton isn't really a suitable comparison for me.....they were recasting the Hulk withing a cinematic universe. Letos Joker was never intended to be anything to do with Nolans versions.....and Ayer was right to try make the character more like the Comics. Although many will argue about how successful he was. I enjoyed Ledgers Joker, as many did. However nobody that has any actual knowledge beyond the movies should expect The Joker to be like Ledgers version every time. With that said. I still dont like Leto's Joker. I hate the look but I swear if you remove Leto and stick Jim Carrey in the role...NOTHING changes. You can even close your eyes during some of the scenes and picture Jim Carrey as the mask during Letos scenes. I dunno. Maybe I missed the comics Leto's version was suppose to be based on but The Joker to me should be more of a crime boss type with a psychotic prankster side. Not a homie J-Dog, tuggin n buggin pimp daddy.
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