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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Dec 16, 2015 21:50:31 GMT -5
For the best possible women's division, NXT should focus on Bayley, Asuka and Emma. Those girls are just tremendous. Or just give Eva a run with the title. Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Eva Marie is amazing as a heel. She has the robe, she comes off like a female Flair in how she presents herself. Where as Charlotte comes off like her dad in every move she does. I would love to see Eva with a title run. Even if its for a short time, the fans would hate it, she would be super over, and it would be good business.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 21:53:42 GMT -5
Or just give Eva a run with the title. Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Eva Marie is amazing as a heel. She has the robe, she comes off like a female Flair in how she presents herself. Where as Charlotte comes off like her dad in every move she does. I would love to see Eva with a title run. Even if its for a short time, the fans would hate it, she would be super over, and it would be good business. I don't see an issue with it. Everyone wants nxt to grow.. why not put the title on someone from total divas. Sounds like a fantastic way to get people involved.
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Post by Wato Stan Account on Dec 16, 2015 22:09:40 GMT -5
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Eva Marie is amazing as a heel. She has the robe, she comes off like a female Flair in how she presents herself. Where as Charlotte comes off like her dad in every move she does. I would love to see Eva with a title run. Even if its for a short time, the fans would hate it, she would be super over, and it would be good business. I don't see an issue with it. Everyone wants nxt to grow.. why not put the title on someone from total divas. Sounds like a fantastic way to get people involved. Are those cross over crowds though? Do you know how many guys I know who love Eva Marie but won't watch WWE? A LOT. They are not that big of cross over crowds. One is a E! Network show, the other is pro wrestling. Put Eva on Raw for that since that's their larger view anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 22:13:43 GMT -5
Maybe it's because I was there live, but I loved the show. Maybe we went a bit OTT with the singing at times, but I'd rather that than sit on my hands for 2 hours being silent(and at least we didn't chant "We Are Awesome"). Btw, if you heard someone cheering on Emma, it was probably me (there was only like 4 other people). Oh and Bálor's entrance is amazing live. One last thing, Bliss, Carmella, Bayley & Emma are absolutely stunning in person. I'll be interested to find out if some of the more.....aggressive chants("F*** her up Asuka", "Corbin's a W*****", etc.)are edited out. Good show, very enjoyable. The crowd ruled. Thanks mate!
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Post by Planktung on Dec 16, 2015 22:28:47 GMT -5
Or just give Eva a run with the title. Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Eva Marie is amazing as a heel. She has the robe, she comes off like a female Flair in how she presents herself. Where as Charlotte comes off like her dad in every move she does. I would love to see Eva with a title run. Even if its for a short time, the fans would hate it, she would be super over, and it would be good business. You praised Eva Marie for coming off like a female Ric Flair, and then proceeded to criticize Charlotte for coming off like a female Ric Flair.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 16, 2015 22:30:51 GMT -5
Despite being green as grass, I thought Nia did a good job. I think she'll improve and turn a lot of heads. I noted that, with some time, she could be a good monster heel. She seemed unsure of herself a few times here, but she did pretty well for her first big match.
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Post by Daws on Dec 16, 2015 22:30:55 GMT -5
I thought Nia Jax did pretty good. I so glad Bayley kept the Women's Championship.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 22:31:59 GMT -5
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Eva Marie is amazing as a heel. She has the robe, she comes off like a female Flair in how she presents herself. Where as Charlotte comes off like her dad in every move she does. I would love to see Eva with a title run. Even if its for a short time, the fans would hate it, she would be super over, and it would be good business. You praised Eva Marie for coming off like a female Ric Flair, and then proceeded to criticize Charlotte for coming off like a female Ric Flair. He said Charlotte comes off that way using his moves. It's also pretty organic that Eva can give someone that impression based on how she presents herself when I'd be willing to bet that wasn't the plan.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 16, 2015 22:32:19 GMT -5
NXT TakeOver: London December 16th 2015 | Wembley Arena in London, England
Asuka def. Emma w/ Dana Brooke in 14:58 TakeOver: London kicked off with a match between Asuka and Emma. They were given nearly fifteen minutes and really did well with it. Emma played the cautious heel, knowing that Asuka is one bad chick. Emma's heat segment lasted a while, as she tried to take the hot crowd out of it. Asuka fought back, using multiple hip attacks, but then we got a ref bump. Normally that is groanworthy, but it made sense here as it allowed Emma and Dana to get in some underhanded tactics. They teased an actual loss for Asuka via DQ and then again when she made Emma tap behind the referee's back, only for Emma to roll her up. Asuka knocked her out with a kick to win a really good opener that proved to be the match of the night for me. Emma came off great in a loss. The NXT Women's Division is in good hands if the focus is put on Bayley, Emma and Asuka. ***½
NXT Tag Team Championship: Dash Wilder and Scott Dawson (c) def. Enzo Amore and Colin Cassady w/ Carmella in 15:03 The NXT Tag Team Championship match followed up and the fans were MOLTEN hot for it. Enzo Amore and Colin Cassady have been the most over tag team in NXT by a mile, though Chad Gable and Jason Jordan are quickly catching up to them. Here, they had the crowd in the palm of their hands for this. There was an old school vibe to it. Dash and Dawson just get how to work a classic tag match, doing all of the little things to draw heat. They cut the ring in half on Enzo and even when Cass got the tag, they went to work on his bad leg, looking like smart champions. The false finish of Enzo and Cass winning just brought the fans to their feet. When Dash and Dawson won with a super Shatter Machine, the crowd was absolutely crushed. At this point, I don't think Enzo and Cass are ever going to win the belts. This was a good performance by both teams, making for another good Tag Title match on a TakeOver. ***
Baron Corbin def. Apollo Crews in 11:41 Two of the bigger stars in NXT right now, Apollo Crews and Baron Corbin, did battle next. I'd like to start by saying that I obviously see big things in the future for Crews, but there's something about Corbin's new heel persona that is just clicking. The character he's playing seems to fit him much better, which makes sense if his Breaking Ground persona is how he actually is. The match itself was rather slow and lost the crowd at some points, but it had some good points. Crews did a fantastic job of selling, while Corbin was on point with the trash talk. A highlight was him shouting for Crews to "go back to Ring of Honor", even though Crews wasn't really known for that promotion. Corbin surprised me by winning cleanly, giving Crews his first pinfall loss. Outside of a near fall after Crews hit a moonsault, this seemed to lack drama. They worked fine until the finish but it was certainly missing something. It looks like Corbin is next in line for a big time NXT Title match, so the win here made sense. Crews should be fine and is absolutely a guy I'd peg as a future NXT Champion. The match itself was decent at best. **¼
NXT Women’s Championship: Bayley (c) def. Nia Jax in 13:21 In the co-main event slot, Bayley faced Nia Jax in a match where a lot of pressure was on. 2015 has seen the best women's matches in company history, but with Becky, Sasha and Charlotte exiting for the main roster, Bayley has the task of leading unproven ladies like Alexa Bliss, Eva Marie and Nia Jax around. This was expertly booked. Knowing that Nia isn't accomplished in the ring, they just had her play the dominating heel, while Bayley was the ultimate underdog babyface. It worked well, though Nia still seems unsure of herself at times. It's clear that she still needs tons of work, but with time, could become a good monster heel for the division. They played on the fans' emotions, with Nia obliterating Bayley and nearly winning a few times. Bayley didn't go all SUPERBAYLEY, but found a smart way to turn things around, wearing down Nia with a guillotine choke before making her submit. I'd rather Nia pass out instead of tap out, but this was a smartly worked match that was about as good as it could have been. **¾
NXT Championship: Finn Balor (c) def. Samoa Joe in 18:22 With the show in London, Finn Balor's "Demon" character had an added dimension, playing off of Jack the Ripper. It was really cool. As for the match itself, I've seen high praise, but I didn't feel that way. Technically, it was fine, with two really good workers going at it. However, something about it felt hollow. For a match that was built on a friend turning on his buddy, there wasn't much in the way of emotion here. It was just two guys working a solid match. That's fine, but I wanted more. They teased the Samoa Joe victory a few times before Finn was able to retain with the Coup de Grace. A pretty good match to close out the show, but ultimately underwhelming. ***¼
Coming into the show, this was one of the weaker TakeOver cards ever and honestly, it was probably the weakest TakeOver in execution. It's the only NXT special where I didn't give out at least one **** rating. Don't get me wrong, it's a fine way to spend two hours, but it lacked something to make it special. 6.5/10
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Post by hbkbigdaddycool on Dec 16, 2015 22:35:20 GMT -5
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Eva Marie is amazing as a heel. She has the robe, she comes off like a female Flair in how she presents herself. Where as Charlotte comes off like her dad in every move she does. I would love to see Eva with a title run. Even if its for a short time, the fans would hate it, she would be super over, and it would be good business. You praised Eva Marie for coming off like a female Ric Flair, and then proceeded to criticize Charlotte for coming off like a female Ric Flair. There's a huge difference there. Eva comes out in a robe, does the turn around, and stops to let the fans see her. Just like Flair did. She doesn't do move for move like Charlotte does though. Charlotte makes herself look ridiculous with how much she copies her father. She needs to have her own move set, not her daddy's move set.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 22:35:35 GMT -5
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! Eva Marie is amazing as a heel. She has the robe, she comes off like a female Flair in how she presents herself. Where as Charlotte comes off like her dad in every move she does. I would love to see Eva with a title run. Even if its for a short time, the fans would hate it, she would be super over, and it would be good business. You praised Eva Marie for coming off like a female Ric Flair, and then proceeded to criticize Charlotte for coming off like a female Ric Flair. I don't necessarily agree with him, but I think he meant one has presence, the other is a blatant copy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 22:53:37 GMT -5
I honestly don't see the point of Emma being in NXT anymore.I mean going into the match I already knew Asuka was gonna beat her so emma had no chance.The thing with Emma being in NXT is that she has no purpose being down there anymore.Everytime Emma Has a match she most likely loses which is exactly what she was doing on the main roster.Besides maybe defeating a Local wrestler the only big match I remember her winning was that 4 way with Dana,Charlotte and Becky and even that wasn't supposed to happen.Yeah she may have a new theme,new hair color and a new attitude but her booking hasn't changed she's just Dana's side kick who takes the L for the team.I don't see emma winning the belt and I don't see Emma becoming a real true star I'm sorry.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 16, 2015 23:13:36 GMT -5
I honestly don't see the point of Emma being in NXT anymore.I mean going into the match I already knew Asuka was gonna beat her so emma had no chance.The thing with Emma being in NXT is that she has no purpose being down there anymore.Everytime Emma Has a match she most likely loses which is exactly what she was doing on the main roster.Besides maybe defeating a Local wrestler the only big match I remember her winning was that 4 way with Dana,Charlotte and Becky and even that wasn't supposed to happen.Yeah she may have a new theme,new hair color and a new attitude but her booking hasn't changed she's just Dana's side kick who takes the L for the team.I don't see emma winning the belt and I don't see Emma becoming a real true star I'm sorry. The point of her being down there is to hone her craft as a heel character since the face character flopped. She's had two matches on TakeOver since turning heel. She was on the losing team in the first and lost to Asuka today. She looked great in defeat and showed that she is the third best woman down in NXT, behind Bayley and Asuka. Her and Dana are the two best heel females in NXT, so their role will be there. She may never win the belt but that's fine. Her goal is to perfect being a heel. She's still very young and has time. Plus, her experience will help girls like Alexa, Nia, Eva, Peyton, Billie and Liv.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2015 23:27:50 GMT -5
I honestly don't see the point of Emma being in NXT anymore.I mean going into the match I already knew Asuka was gonna beat her so emma had no chance.The thing with Emma being in NXT is that she has no purpose being down there anymore.Everytime Emma Has a match she most likely loses which is exactly what she was doing on the main roster.Besides maybe defeating a Local wrestler the only big match I remember her winning was that 4 way with Dana,Charlotte and Becky and even that wasn't supposed to happen.Yeah she may have a new theme,new hair color and a new attitude but her booking hasn't changed she's just Dana's side kick who takes the L for the team.I don't see emma winning the belt and I don't see Emma becoming a real true star I'm sorry. The point of her being down there is to hone her craft as a heel character since the face character flopped. She's had two matches on TakeOver since turning heel. She was on the losing team in the first and lost to Asuka today. She looked great in defeat and showed that she is the third best woman down in NXT, behind Bayley and Asuka. Her and Dana are the two best heel females in NXT, so their role will be there. She may never win the belt but that's fine. Her goal is to perfect being a heel. She's still very young and has time. Plus, her experience will help girls like Alexa, Nia, Eva, Peyton, Billie and Liv. I'm sorry but this whole idea of her going down to NXT just to gain a new character and Still lose every match is not ok with me.When Emma is in a match my expectations are always low because unless she's facing a local jobber then she's most likely gonna lose.Yeah her and Dana are cool together but Emma IMO isn't gonna gain anything being with her because Dana is gonna get all the gold and achievements while emma gets the short end of the stick.Emma is just the girl that eats the pin in tag matches,singles matches and gets eliminated 1st or 2nd in diva battle royals.Yes she's young and has time but how much time does she need to simply pick up win over someone like Carmella atleast because I even see Carmella going over her.I hate saying this stuff about Emma but I gotta call it like I see it.Eva Marie gained ALOT more then what Emma has got since going down in NXT and she was there before eva showed up.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 16, 2015 23:37:43 GMT -5
The point of her being down there is to hone her craft as a heel character since the face character flopped. She's had two matches on TakeOver since turning heel. She was on the losing team in the first and lost to Asuka today. She looked great in defeat and showed that she is the third best woman down in NXT, behind Bayley and Asuka. Her and Dana are the two best heel females in NXT, so their role will be there. She may never win the belt but that's fine. Her goal is to perfect being a heel. She's still very young and has time. Plus, her experience will help girls like Alexa, Nia, Eva, Peyton, Billie and Liv. I'm sorry but this whole idea of her going down to NXT just to gain a new character and Still lose every match is not ok with me.When Emma is in a match my expectations are always low because unless she's facing a local jobber then she's most likely gonna lose.Yeah her and Dana are cool together but Emma IMO isn't gonna gain anything being with her because Dana is gonna get all the gold and achievements while emma gets the short end of the stick.Emma is just the girl that eats the pin in tag matches,singles matches and gets eliminated 1st or 2nd in diva battle royals.Yes she's young and has time but how much time does she need to simply pick up win over someone like Carmella atleast because I even see Carmella going over her.I hate saying this stuff about Emma but I gotta call it like I see it.Eva Marie gained ALOT more then what Emma has got since going down in NXT and she was there before eva showed up. 1) Emma has lost only three or four matches since fully going heel with Dana that I can recall. Asuka, Charlotte and the tag for sure. Not all the time. 2) The focus has been on her in recent weeks, not Dana. She hasn't come off as Dana's sidekick for a while. 3) Dana has eaten the pin in tag matches. The last part is more opinion, but I cannot see how Eva Marie has gained more than Emma. Since re-arriving in NXT, Eva is still dreadful in the ring, but plays her character decently at best. Emma has completely changed her game, and has been nailing it as the aggressive heel leading into the big match today and delivered when the time came. Outside of Roman Reigns and Chad Gable, Emma has improved more than anyone on the WWE roster in 2015.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2015 0:00:03 GMT -5
I'm sorry but this whole idea of her going down to NXT just to gain a new character and Still lose every match is not ok with me.When Emma is in a match my expectations are always low because unless she's facing a local jobber then she's most likely gonna lose.Yeah her and Dana are cool together but Emma IMO isn't gonna gain anything being with her because Dana is gonna get all the gold and achievements while emma gets the short end of the stick.Emma is just the girl that eats the pin in tag matches,singles matches and gets eliminated 1st or 2nd in diva battle royals.Yes she's young and has time but how much time does she need to simply pick up win over someone like Carmella atleast because I even see Carmella going over her.I hate saying this stuff about Emma but I gotta call it like I see it.Eva Marie gained ALOT more then what Emma has got since going down in NXT and she was there before eva showed up. 1) Emma has lost only three or four matches since fully going heel with Dana that I can recall. Asuka, Charlotte and the tag for sure. Not all the time. 2) The focus has been on her in recent weeks, not Dana. She hasn't come off as Dana's sidekick for a while. 3) Dana has eaten the pin in tag matches. The last part is more opinion, but I cannot see how Eva Marie has gained more than Emma. Since re-arriving in NXT, Eva is still dreadful in the ring, but plays her character decently at best. Emma has completely changed her game, and has been nailing it as the aggressive heel leading into the big match today and delivered when the time came. Outside of Roman Reigns and Chad Gable, Emma has improved more than anyone on the WWE roster in 2015. She loses againts well known established Talent in NXT but picks up the win againts local wrestlers.And yes it was nice that she got a tiny bit attention in her feud with asuka by having Emma defeat a couple of Local wrestlers but a win over a well known established NXT talent or even bring in a main roster diva like Natalya or Alicia Fox,etc would've been so much better for Emma. And yes Eva Marie IMO has gained a hell of a lot more than Emma because Eva was booked fantastic she may not be the best wrestler out the bunch but she was on a undefeated streak,gained a new friend in Nia Jax and got a title match with Bayley and was made into a big deal that is what Emma should've gotten.There was a time when Emma along with Paige and Summer Rae was running the NXT women's division while sasha,Bayley and Charlotte was just young upcoming divas.She even made it to the finals to crown the first ever NXT women's champion and while Paige and Summer Rae have made a Main roster success Emma has not she's the pro down in NXT a win over emma should mean something But by having everyone and there mamma defeating her isn't gonna help Emma's case.
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Post by c-scope on Dec 17, 2015 0:06:29 GMT -5
I think this was Finns best entrance so far, i just really like the setup with the video of the guy in the alley and the footsteps, followed by the scream, then he came out dresses like the ripper, so awesome.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Dec 17, 2015 0:16:59 GMT -5
1) Emma has lost only three or four matches since fully going heel with Dana that I can recall. Asuka, Charlotte and the tag for sure. Not all the time. 2) The focus has been on her in recent weeks, not Dana. She hasn't come off as Dana's sidekick for a while. 3) Dana has eaten the pin in tag matches. The last part is more opinion, but I cannot see how Eva Marie has gained more than Emma. Since re-arriving in NXT, Eva is still dreadful in the ring, but plays her character decently at best. Emma has completely changed her game, and has been nailing it as the aggressive heel leading into the big match today and delivered when the time came. Outside of Roman Reigns and Chad Gable, Emma has improved more than anyone on the WWE roster in 2015. She loses againts well known established Talent in NXT but picks up the win againts local wrestlers.And yes it was nice that she got a tiny bit attention in her feud with asuka by having Emma defeat a couple of Local wrestlers but a win over a well known established NXT talent or even bring in a main roster diva like Natalya or Alicia Fox,etc would've been so much better for Emma. And yes Eva Marie IMO has gained a hell of a lot more than Emma because Eva was booked fantastic she may not be the best wrestler out the bunch but she was on a undefeated streak,gained a new friend in Nia Jax and got a title match with Bayley and was made into a big deal that is what Emma should've gotten.There was a time when Emma along with Paige and Summer Rae was running the NXT women's division while sasha,Bayley and Charlotte was just young upcoming divas.She even made it to the finals to crown the first ever NXT women's champion and while Paige and Summer Rae have made a Main roster success Emma has not she's the pro down in NXT a win over emma should mean something But by having everyone and there mamma defeating her isn't gonna help Emma's case. Ah you meant Eva has gotten more as in "been booked better". I thought you meant it as she's improved more since they both showed up in NXT. In the booking case, yes, Eva has gotten more like the title shot and win streak. I think that's a shame because Emma is so much better it's not even funny. Part of it may again come back to age. Eva is 31 and is just starting, so they need to rush her if they want any kind of success.
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Post by DestroyerOfNations on Dec 17, 2015 0:56:16 GMT -5
I don't watch NXT as often as I should but I always watch the Takeovers. I was really pulling for Enzo and Cass, my favorite tag team in NXT by far. The Bayley match was alright. I didn't like Nia Jax pouting and looking shocked after every kick out. There was a lot actually I didn't like from Nia in this match. Finn/Joe was great and the Jack the Ripper entrance was sick. The best part of this special was the crowd. The singing for Bayley was fantastic and really helped me get through the match. Only thing annoying was the counting one number ahead of the ref. Very confusing.
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Post by Happy Pizza on Dec 17, 2015 1:16:46 GMT -5
Okay show for me. Worst TakeOver so far, but still above average.
Feel like Finn needs a credible (heel) rival to really take things to the next level. Joe's a great worker, but this feud was missing that special something. He needs somebody to play the role of Kevin Owens.
Or maybe he just turns heel. Not quite sure if that would work.
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