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Post by The Kevstaaa on May 5, 2014 15:17:09 GMT -5
I understand everything your saying, and pretty much agree. However, it's the lower level than Jericho part that i don't get. RVD was a former WWE Champion who defeated John Cena in one of the more memorable matches of the previous decade. It's like they completely forgot who he was. He's treated like any other midcard, i just don't get that part. He's a midcarder that had a couple of months as a main eventer. Jack Swagger's World title reign was longer than RVD held the WWE and ECW belts. Wade Barrett beat John Cena and made him his slave for a month or two. But that doesn't stop someone from falling back into the midcard shuffle. Hell, even Sheamus, a guy that WWE thinks very highly of and who will still be around in four months, hasn't had anything going on in forever. This. Have him lost to Barrett, helping to solidify what I can only hope will be an IC Title run of relevance.
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Post by Rob7274 on May 5, 2014 15:30:22 GMT -5
Jericho looked so weak in his last short run. The same is happening to RVD.
I think they go too far and make them look weak as kittens....it doesn't help them, the WWE or the guys who are going over...
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Post by Chief on May 5, 2014 15:47:20 GMT -5
I don't think he's been misused at all. Unlike his return last year, he hasn't been setting the world on fire. He's older, slower, and sloppier. And he's only had average matches with Cesaro which I think is very hard to do.
I was very excited for his return but it has not been good so far. And it hasn't been the booking.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 5, 2014 16:04:57 GMT -5
Rob Van Dam is irrelevant. He's not here to be in storylines or win titles, or even win matches. He came back to WWE because it's easier and pays more than TNA. Plain and simple. He's getting huge paychecks to wrestle a few matches, then take 6 months off, then wrestle a few matches and take 6 more months off.
I really think he could care less. Titles, wins, and storylines would mean more work and more time for him to have to put in. And this works out for WWE because Rob Van Dam's name looks better on the card than Kofi Kingston.
Same with Brock. Same with Jericho when he comes in. These guys just use WWE to cash in a huge payday for minimal work.
The only guy getting screwed around here is Batista. He came back full time and was promised the Championship and he got screwed. He's jobbed to Bryan, he's jobbed to the Shield....this is not what he signed up for. So anybody bitching that hes not sticking around for Payback to job to Bryan once AGAIN.....Batista has done everything and more than what was expected of him and has received NOTHING that was promised to him. So he has the right to leave for as long as he wants.
At least when he films movies they actually have his character do what was promised and what was written in the original scripts instead of pulling a swerve on him and having his character be a joke.
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Post by Jamal on May 5, 2014 16:16:29 GMT -5
He's washed up. I have no interest in him.
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Post by hbkowns on May 5, 2014 16:40:52 GMT -5
Rob Van Dam is irrelevant. He's not here to be in storylines or win titles, or even win matches. He came back to WWE because it's easier and pays more than TNA. Plain and simple. He's getting huge paychecks to wrestle a few matches, then take 6 months off, then wrestle a few matches and take 6 more months off. I really think he could care less. Titles, wins, and storylines would mean more work and more time for him to have to put in. And this works out for WWE because Rob Van Dam's name looks better on the card than Kofi Kingston. Same with Brock. Same with Jericho when he comes in. These guys just use WWE to cash in a huge payday for minimal work. The only guy getting screwed around here is Batista. He came back full time and was promised the Championship and he got screwed. He's jobbed to Bryan, he's jobbed to the Shield....this is not what he signed up for. So anybody bitching that hes not sticking around for Payback to job to Bryan once AGAIN.....Batista has done everything and more than what was expected of him and has received NOTHING that was promised to him. So he has the right to leave for as long as he wants. At least when he films movies they actually have his character do what was promised and what was written in the original scripts instead of pulling a swerve on him and having his character be a joke. Who said that Batista was promised a title reign? All plans are tentative and anything can change. Compared to all of the part-timers that you named, Batista was given a Royal Rumble win and a main event spot at Mania. Virtually, he was given the most within a week of him coming back to wwe. He falls under the same category as RVD and Jericho. He's part time but wrestles a full schedule. But he has been given the most, you cannot deny that.
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Post by TheBadGuyChico on May 5, 2014 16:54:21 GMT -5
Rob Van Dam is irrelevant. He's not here to be in storylines or win titles, or even win matches. He came back to WWE because it's easier and pays more than TNA. Plain and simple. He's getting huge paychecks to wrestle a few matches, then take 6 months off, then wrestle a few matches and take 6 more months off. I really think he could care less. Titles, wins, and storylines would mean more work and more time for him to have to put in. And this works out for WWE because Rob Van Dam's name looks better on the card than Kofi Kingston. Same with Brock. Same with Jericho when he comes in. These guys just use WWE to cash in a huge payday for minimal work. The only guy getting screwed around here is Batista. He came back full time and was promised the Championship and he got screwed. He's jobbed to Bryan, he's jobbed to the Shield....this is not what he signed up for. So anybody bitching that hes not sticking around for Payback to job to Bryan once AGAIN.....Batista has done everything and more than what was expected of him and has received NOTHING that was promised to him. So he has the right to leave for as long as he wants. At least when he films movies they actually have his character do what was promised and what was written in the original scripts instead of pulling a swerve on him and having his character be a joke. I can't really pick any of this to pieces, because your 100% right for the most part. This still begs my original question though, how is this good for WWE and Us? How does bringing him back with no buzz and having him lose early on accomplish anything of merit? If Rob is happy just to show up and get a check cool, but how does their booking of him amount to anything meaningful? They aren't maximizing the talent he still has left, the guys who beat him aren't gonna gain that much, and we're not getting much out of watching outside of his name value. I just don't see the point in bringing back veterans and making it crystal clear that they are has beens. I fail to see the benefit in that, i just feel like there is more potential in these returns than they are getting out of them.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on May 5, 2014 17:03:43 GMT -5
Van Dam doesn't care about how hes used or if he wins. He has made it clear all he wants nowadays is a hefty paycheck.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 5, 2014 17:06:30 GMT -5
Rob Van Dam is irrelevant. He's not here to be in storylines or win titles, or even win matches. He came back to WWE because it's easier and pays more than TNA. Plain and simple. He's getting huge paychecks to wrestle a few matches, then take 6 months off, then wrestle a few matches and take 6 more months off. I really think he could care less. Titles, wins, and storylines would mean more work and more time for him to have to put in. And this works out for WWE because Rob Van Dam's name looks better on the card than Kofi Kingston. Same with Brock. Same with Jericho when he comes in. These guys just use WWE to cash in a huge payday for minimal work. The only guy getting screwed around here is Batista. He came back full time and was promised the Championship and he got screwed. He's jobbed to Bryan, he's jobbed to the Shield....this is not what he signed up for. So anybody bitching that hes not sticking around for Payback to job to Bryan once AGAIN.....Batista has done everything and more than what was expected of him and has received NOTHING that was promised to him. So he has the right to leave for as long as he wants. At least when he films movies they actually have his character do what was promised and what was written in the original scripts instead of pulling a swerve on him and having his character be a joke. Who said that Batista was promised a title reign? All plans are tentative and anything can change. Compared to all of the part-timers that you named, Batista was given a Royal Rumble win and a main event spot at Mania. Virtually, he was given the most within a week of him coming back to wwe. He falls under the same category as RVD and Jericho. He's part time but wrestles a full schedule. But he has been given the most, you cannot deny that. Look, it's my opinion vs your opinion, but let's just put it this way. I don't think that at age 45 after being gone from WWE for 4 years that Big Dave just got up one day and decided to come back to WWE unless there were some pretty strong incentives. He won the Royal Rumble and let's not forget that WWE turned Daniel Bryan into a Wyatt for 2 weeks and then pulled the plug. The plans were clearly NOT to have Daniel Bryan win the Title. The fans made that happen. I really don't think Batista would have come back if he knew he'd be jobbing to Daniel Bryan, who is smaller than the guy that bags my groceries at Stop & Shop.
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Post by kazoosandstreamers on May 5, 2014 17:12:11 GMT -5
He didn't come back to win the title, that's probably the last thing he wants right now, is to have the belt and need to do all the media. I think he came back for the paycheck and because he still enjoys wrestling, and there's nothing wrong with that. Rob's never been the kind of guy (outside the ring) who gives a sh*t if he loses or not. Yeah, I think that pretty much sums it up. Love having him back regardless. Puts on a hell of a match, still.
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Post by Lorenzo Alcazar on May 5, 2014 17:12:48 GMT -5
Rob Van Dam is irrelevant. He's not here to be in storylines or win titles, or even win matches. He came back to WWE because it's easier and pays more than TNA. Plain and simple. He's getting huge paychecks to wrestle a few matches, then take 6 months off, then wrestle a few matches and take 6 more months off. I really think he could care less. Titles, wins, and storylines would mean more work and more time for him to have to put in. And this works out for WWE because Rob Van Dam's name looks better on the card than Kofi Kingston. Same with Brock. Same with Jericho when he comes in. These guys just use WWE to cash in a huge payday for minimal work. The only guy getting screwed around here is Batista. He came back full time and was promised the Championship and he got screwed. He's jobbed to Bryan, he's jobbed to the Shield....this is not what he signed up for. So anybody bitching that hes not sticking around for Payback to job to Bryan once AGAIN.....Batista has done everything and more than what was expected of him and has received NOTHING that was promised to him. So he has the right to leave for as long as he wants. At least when he films movies they actually have his character do what was promised and what was written in the original scripts instead of pulling a swerve on him and having his character be a joke. I can't really pick any of this to pieces, because your 100% right for the most part. This still begs my original question though, how is this good for WWE and Us? How does bringing him back with no buzz and having him lose early on accomplish anything of merit? If Rob is happy just to show up and get a check cool, but how does their booking of him amount to anything meaningful? They aren't maximizing the talent he still has left, the guys who beat him aren't gonna gain that much, and we're not getting much out of watching outside of his name value. I just don't see the point in bringing back veterans and making it crystal clear that they are has beens. I fail to see the benefit in that, i just feel like there is more potential in these returns than they are getting out of them. Like I said, his name looks more attractive on the marquee than, let's say Kofi Kingston. RVD's name still has value, even though he's doing nothing. You can't just erase a guy's history. That's why they had Jericho lose to Fandango at Mania last year, because even though Jericho hasn't won a feud since 2008 (and only bc HBK refused the belt), his name still means something. It got Fandango over for a few weeks that he beat Jericho. Guys can get so big that losses really don't hurt them, but when they lose it helps the guy who won. HBK hardly ever won matches in his second run, but it didn't hurt his legacy at all. That's what RVD is doing now. He'll lose all his feuds and most of his matches, but every time he shows up people will be like "hell yeah, it's RVD!" So last night, clearly that Triple Threat was meant to get Cesaro over. It came down to Cesaro and RVD. So the fact that Cesaro beat RVD means something. RVD is a former WWE Champ, ECW Champ, all the IC Titles....it means more than if Kofi or Santino was thrown into that match.
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Post by Captain McKay on May 5, 2014 17:13:21 GMT -5
Van Dam is basically a nostalgia act. He's like a Jericho, but at a bit of a lower level. It doesn't matter that much how often he loses. There's no point giving him the megapush when he's only around for a couple of months at a time, really. WWE books the entire midcard in that even-steven way where wins and losses don't matter. In a perfect world, Van Dam could come in and look strong for a month or two and then be destroyed by a Cesaro or Sandow in a real feud, sure. But WWE doesn't operate that way in the midcard. Midcard wrestling is all filler, no killer. Hopefully Bad News Barrett changes that. I understand everything your saying, and pretty much agree. However, it's the lower level than Jericho part that i don't get. RVD was a former WWE Champion who defeated John Cena in one of the more memorable matches of the previous decade. It's like they completely forgot who he was. He's treated like any other midcard, i just don't get that part. Jericho was a former WWE Champion who defeated Austin and The Rock in a title unification tournament, making him the first undisputed champion in WWE history. They pretty much forgot about that, too. Guys like Van Dam and Jericho are basically there for nostalgia, and to get some exposure and put some eyes on WWE's product. Older fans like me who like Jericho and Van Dam might watch WWE Raw to see them, and then connect with a current superstar, causing me to watch each week.
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Post by PJ on May 5, 2014 17:21:35 GMT -5
Sorry, but he came back looking out of shape and he looks much slower in the ring then he used to be. He's not a main event guy anymore.
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Post by marino13 on May 5, 2014 17:41:35 GMT -5
You know who's to blame for the way RVD is being used? RVD himself. WWE tried to get him to stay longer last time but he refused. He's only wants to be around for 4 months tops. So why should they push him? Why should they invest in him? Who would that benefit?
I'm perfectly fine with the way WWE uses him. Let him come in, entertain for four months, and then he can go back home till he feels like putting in 4 more months.
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Post by Mirror Images on May 5, 2014 18:00:38 GMT -5
He needs a feud with Barrett for the I-ce title... then a reign as I-C champion before hes done for good.
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Post by Yayo on May 5, 2014 18:07:17 GMT -5
Are you forgetting that WWE title reign ended on a very sour note because he was toking up with Sabu? Swagger is still paying for his mistake and he wrestles year round. They will never push RVD as a main eventer after that
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Post by hbkowns on May 5, 2014 18:27:05 GMT -5
Who said that Batista was promised a title reign? All plans are tentative and anything can change. Compared to all of the part-timers that you named, Batista was given a Royal Rumble win and a main event spot at Mania. Virtually, he was given the most within a week of him coming back to wwe. He falls under the same category as RVD and Jericho. He's part time but wrestles a full schedule. But he has been given the most, you cannot deny that. Look, it's my opinion vs your opinion, but let's just put it this way. I don't think that at age 45 after being gone from WWE for 4 years that Big Dave just got up one day and decided to come back to WWE unless there were some pretty strong incentives. He won the Royal Rumble and let's not forget that WWE turned Daniel Bryan into a Wyatt for 2 weeks and then pulled the plug. The plans were clearly NOT to have Daniel Bryan win the Title. The fans made that happen. I really don't think Batista would have come back if he knew he'd be jobbing to Daniel Bryan, who is smaller than the guy that bags my groceries at Stop & Shop. I could agree with that. Of course he wouldn't have come back knowing that he would be putting Bryan over. But I don't think that there are any "promises" as far as positioning on the card. The only promises are on the contract which is pay and working schedule. I know it's irrelevant to the subject but Batista is in AWFUL in ring shape as well. The guy can't go for a minute without huffing and puffing.
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Post by The Natural Eddy Valintino on May 5, 2014 19:34:49 GMT -5
He's there to put over talent. THANK YOU, this is exactly what I wanted to say. I'm tired of people complaining about "Oh they should give Kane another run, they should give RVD a bigger push, they should give the New Age Outlaws the Tag Team titles, blah blah blah". RVD is here to put over talent by putting great matches with the younger guys. I see nothing wrong in this. It's the same thing Chris Jericho did, it's a good thing that he's doing this, cause he's over 40 and he's had his run in WWE.
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Post by weaseltv on May 5, 2014 19:54:09 GMT -5
RVD's now won 6 of the 8 matches on TV/special events since he's been back...
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 20:12:03 GMT -5
He didn't come back to win the title, that's probably the last thing he wants right now, is to have the belt and need to do all the media. I think he came back for the paycheck and because he still enjoys wrestling, and there's nothing wrong with that. Rob's never been the kind of guy (outside the ring) who gives a sh*t if he loses or not. His first run back last year he said he came back for the title but no Del Rio was the obvious choice.... As of now he could be feuding with Bryan last year he could've feuded with Punk as the heyman guy instead of ing RYBAXEL who Ryback even said was a part of his career he'd like to forget what terrible booking. RVD should be champion one more time or at least a feud with Bryan!!
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